PLANTOID WTF

JC = AP on

I wonder if Batchelor actually left Brighton

Seem to remember Best giving an interview a while back saying he was looking for more 'Saturday' horses and wouldn't be playing the system, lining one up for a touch etc anymore. Seems old habits die hard.

i'd guess the jc of mccoy was probably in the plan, could be quite a stink if this hacks up as the price suggests

looked totally paceless over the sticks so far never remotely in a race

laying at evens too!

doesn't look a good jumper either

christ cannot believe this price

doubt it will start 20 lengths behind the others today

get ready for us to be called MUGS frank when this one scoots up

shocking price

Any ideas what bullshit was given as the reason for the jockey change?

^ Dental problems for Mattie

Drawn Free to turn the jolly over.

1.30, third race

The Stewards held an enquiry into the running and riding of PLANETOID (IRE), ridden by Mattie Batchelor and trained by Jim Best, which raced in rear throughout, finishing seventh, beaten 111 lengths. They interviewed the rider and the trainer’s representative. They also received a report from the Veterinary Officer, and observations from the Handicapper. The rider stated that his instructions were to try to get his mount to jump well, as PLANETOID (IRE) had so far failed to translate his Flat-race ability to jumping and had fallen on his previous start. He further stated that PLANETOID (IRE) had generally jumped better today but was outpaced, being unsuited by the heavy going. He had considered pulling up in the back straight, but had felt that he might possibly manage to catch up the back-markers who appeared to be slowing. The trainer’s representative confirmed these instructions. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race the Stewards noted their explanations.

jumped like a clown and still hacks up

Mattie Bachelor 0-28 for Best

he'd of won on that

Newton Abbot, 5 June 2013

4.20, fifth race

The Stewards held an enquiry to consider the apparent improvement in form of the winner, PLANETOID (IRE), ridden by A.P. McCoy, and trained by Jim Best, which had never previously been placed. They interviewed the trainer who stated that the gelding had problems with his jumping last year and has been given a break in order to re-school him over hurdles. He further added that PLANETOID (IRE) was suited by this quicker ground and running for the first time in a handicap. Having heard his evidence they forwarded his explanation to the British Horseracing Authority so that the previous performances of PLANETOID (IRE) could be reviewed. The Stewards ordered the gelding to be routine tested.

After looking at today's racing cards last night and seeing the utter dross that was racing today I decided not to even bother looking at the prices or anything today as I am not having a bet. Can anybody tell me what price Planetoid opened up at generally this morning before it got down to the SP of 5/6??

Is every race below class 3 bent in both flat and jumps racing?? Seems like it!!

Having heard his evidence they forwarded his explanation to the British Horseracing Authority so that the previous performances of PLANETOID (IRE) could be reviewed.


And as usual Geordi La Forge will be doing the reviewing..

Colldogg:

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/newton-abbot/16:20/winner/bet-history/planetoid/today

From that graph, it looks like an early gamble 4s to evens which stopped as punters realised Mattie was no longer riding.

The only other explanation is they were AP followers who knew about the jockey change in advance but I don't see how that can be the case.

Thanks for that Kenny, very informative. 11/4 in to 11/10 in 40mmins. Between 9am-9:40am. For that kind of gamble to happen in 40 mins is very informative.

Mattie Batchelor's car/dentist was obviously known about long before 2:30pm!!

Suspicious betting pattern indeed, You just don't see them types of betting collapses over such a short period of time. It stinks and as usual the genuine day to day punter is being put away again.

Horse racing a corrupt business or a sport? Don't see how these type of races can be described as a 'Sport'.

would argue that trying to get on at that time would cause a price collapse regardless if they got on or not.

in fact would go far to say not very clever and would be surprised if they got much on at the bigger prices

I layed at 3.6 this morning went to work feel like a right mug.

Bookmakers have very low limits for punters to get on early in the morning to try and protect themselves some more against stuff like this happening. You don't know how many people in how many different locations at how many different shops they had putting their bets on for them...

Perhaps A LOT of people were in on this and they knew the price was going to collapse regardless so they had to get on early? The only people who know this are Best and his cronies.

Agree with you that it's not very smart though with how obvious they have made it look and the adding of McCoy on top just added the cherry on top. Imagine the outrage that this has caused and times it by 10 if AP was wearing green and gold on top of the horse today

Same betting patterns with Alan Jones, Noel Quinlan & John Butler. The "plot horses" are hammered from first thing.
Michael Wigham varies his betting operation, his now drift and are then hammered 3 mins before the off, a much better ploy all round.
David Rees & Sophie Leech  also use the late switch of jockey (usually to Paul Moloney), then the price collapses, but their bets are already on.
What was more significant in today's race was the 3rd ........ keep tabs on it ...... today's result was carved up before they ran. In fact, the 3rd was not meant to get placed and was heavily layed in both the win & place markets ....... Costello not in their good books after that.

Here endeth the first lesson ....

like you say, with them its so hard to tell what is going to happen and only the chosen few would have known.

Kenny

very hard get on big money.there were a few well executed last min ones recently in ireland.

Heavily layed?! At those prices in that sort of race someone would do well to take out more than £500 imvho.

....... expect the h/capper to lump 20lb on it next Wednesday (up to 105) ...... so 3:50 Fontwell next Tuesday off 85 + 6lb extra = 91 should be a formality with a stone in hand, after today's schooling run ..... going should stay G-F with watering ......

Sir GN .....

Place market for First Morning:

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/newton-abbot/16:20/place-market/bet-history/first-morning/today

Plenty layed at 2.00 out to 3.00 ...... Drawn Free and Antonius Lad (who went wrong at 5th) expected to finish in front of him.

nobody in their right mind could have backed this on previous hurdle form

However
If one knew the horse had been re-schooled, was now jumping a lot better, and the trainer had him
about right, and taking into account his reasonable flat form, then it was a different story

First time in hcap as well, so a carefully planned coup.

It is possible some shrewdies could have guessed this may happen, not me, otherwise one needed to be
in the know

Looks very bad for racing when a horse improves quite this much from previous form.
The ordinary punter has little chance.
But J Best will probably get away with it.

Of course they will get away with it.. happen's every week now.

The BHA are spineless. They will just wait for something big to come out in public again where they are forced to act such as with Al Zarooni...

They moan so much about the image of racing yet they don't have the balls, or actually WANT to do anything to change it.

An 85 horse from the Flat has a few "jogs",runs off the same Mark over Hurdles,is backed off the Boards in the morning and,finally the Champion Jockey is a late "switch".
Do you plebs need a a written pre race quote to avoid Laying it?

Thankfully we have imported Paul BITTAR to stop this happening.

He is very successful.

Be interesting to know how much was bet on this beast
Were huge bets placed???
or did the bookies run from this, and it was actually shortened up for little money?
the bookies may have sensed a pattern here, and of course its flat form meant it was a potential improver
in a hcap for time

If big bets really were wagered I would think there should be a case for a ban here
Whatever the horses potential, it hardly warranted started 5/6f on any previous hurdle form

It is the horses 6 "jogs" last year I would not be happy about

first

It was a "well planned plot", Gery.
Have you never heard of one?

Another condescending post from the the racingstar, the eejit with the biggest chip on his shoulder.

Get a girlfriend lonely one

It would be impossible to not talk down to you,trente trois.
I neither backed or Layed the beast.

Say something positive for a change Chippie.

jonjo does it all the time

this was extremely blatant

but yes punters could guess this was going to happen

but 5/6f seems a bit strong to me

form readers were well put away

How much more positive do you need?
The horse was an extremely well layed out plot.
The jockey change was the finishing touch.
Good luck to them.Anybody who Layed it should be in "Care".

From Twitter

GeoffBanksRacing ‏@geoffbanksbet 5h

My office never laid a bet on Planetoid. We were alerted to strange betting patterns. But I agree this has to be fully investigated


and my favourite ...

Planetoid finds improvement on handicap debut by the application of wheelbarrows of cash.

Racingstar

If no one was prepared to lay it no one would have been able to back it would they ?

If I was BHA he would get a 6 month ban from me, well layed out plot or not

Planetoid finds improvement on handicap debut by the application of wheelbarrows of cash.
Franky

Franky,
By all means,stand up to one if you feel it is right to do so.
However,this horse was running off the same 85 as its Flat Mark (possible 40 lbs wrong).
Do not bleat when you get "caned".

I'm not bleating racingstar I had no financial interest in the race I was at work and only learnt of the story tonight.

racingstar     05 Jun 13 22:52 
It was a "well planned plot", Gery.
Have you never heard of one?


even the most well planned plots have some indication of form over similar conditions, usually horses are taken away from these conditions for a good spell to get really competitive and then returned with the accompanying market signal.

this one, the horse couldn't even jump and was always out the back, never remotely put in a race.

well done to them they got their prize today but don't be all condescending about it or act as though these plots never fail, everything has a price, i layed it at evens and was wrong this time, doesn't mean i should back all these plots at near bottom price does it?

I would not blame you edge .. it was a totally ludicrous price on all known hurdles form

Jonjo does this all the time....although they are never this short
even the McManus ones
plus they don't all win

still if racing star spotted this in advance and won some...wd racing star

yes i dont mind getting it wrong it was obvious it was going to put up a much better performance, i just couldn't have it on the way i'd seen it jump.

i'm wondering whether it was actually schooled much before its 6 hurdles runs to qualify for a mark.

i think its cases like this when a mark shouldn't be given, the horse has just done nothing to be rated on.

i'll know better next time with best that's for sure.

i actually look for my bets mostly on the basis in the low grade hcps that i know they have not been placed recently to do the horse justice but also know that its possible the conditions this day are likely to make it a punt, this is usually because the horse has indicated this, even if it were a year ago.

everything has a price, saying you should be in care for laying at evens is a bit strong, that's all i'm saying to racingstar

he said he neither backed or layed it ebulgery

i did actually point out before the race if the horse won the race the layers would be labelled mugs by some

If he did not back it then he could not have thought it a certainty to win

tbh I get it wrong every day
my motto
'people in glass houses should not throw stones'

we can all claim anything after the race..look at poor old bf_fanatic
it is the before that counts in this game

i wish i was in the know in this game, it would be all to easy.

it didn't even jump that well yesterday and still won easy as you like

Are you lot a bit dim?...... Ffs who needs info when you can watch the market,.....  It was blatant , the truth is you all layed it, in the hope you could come on here saying " which mugs backed that at odds on" .... You did your doh , get over it ........ These gamble / drifts make this game a piece of p.iss, ........

mattie batchelor i had a puncture near wincanton pmsl at that

Francis Keogh ‏@HonestFrank 28s
Planetoid - Mattie Batchelor, who was replaced by AP McCoy: "I got a puncture near Wincanton and did not have a spare. It's frustrating"

lol

I'm sure his "frustration" will be tempered shortly..

Not heard of AA cover or a lift?

or even a taxi maybe?

his cheque is in the post anyway

was probably in a bookies with his mate who backed it in every shop and over the phone for 20K

If they booked a 10lb claiming lady rider and didnt replace her it would probably have still hacked up and they would've got at least 10 times the odds in the morning.

we can moan all we like or here will make zero difference and nothing will be done.

"I got a puncture near Wincanton and did not have a spare. It's frustrating"

Pure and utter contempt.

freddieb 06 Jun 13 09:51 
Are you lot a bit dim?...... Ffs who needs info when you can watch the market,.....  It was blatant , the truth is you all layed it, in the hope you could come on here saying " which mugs backed that at odds on" .... You did your doh , get over it ........ These gamble / drifts make this game a piece of p.iss, ........


Another clueless idiot,someone who thinks the market is a guide,what about all those short ones that have been getting ironed out,you know the ones that have been backed from 4/5,4/6 into 4/11,2/7 and got beat,I suppose I am a mug for laying those.

BTW I said at the start of this thread that I would not be getting involved because of who it was,and because of who it was the race stunk,but it wouldnt have been the first time that one of his that has been heavily backed got beat.

don't be silly frank posters like freddie are only successful backing the winning punts and laying the losing drifters

extremely easy

can't believe how thick i am, hopefully freddie will share some of his immense knowledge, sounds really clued up.

am only ever rude to people who get up my nose on here, his comment that layers only layed it to brag after is imbecilic at best, some of us aren't interested in bragging at the expense of others.

perhaps best should school his horses a bit better in future before they hit the race course

for something to show no aptitude over jumps whatsoever and looking a likely faller in every race to be given a mark at all is utterly wrong.

horses like this should not be given a hcp mark imo

Below is a rule from the Hong Kong book of regulation stridingedge, maybe the BHA might think of introducing something similar?.

"(25) To order that future entries or declarations be not accepted for any horse
the performances of which in their opinion have been unduly
inconsistent.
(26) To penalise any person who, in their opinion, has been responsible for or
has been a party to the unduly inconsistent running of any horse"

If we had HK rules in the UK ye would need more graveyards..

Of course Planetoids form was not inconsistent - it was diabolically consistent.

too true arklearkle, but if those Hong Kong rules were in place here Barney Curley would have been kicked out of racing long before he retired.

class 5's and 6's at least would be a thing of the past

don't mind inconsistent horses, can get good prices on these on the lower class stuff.

i just think a horse that has been tailed off every race should not be given a mark, if the trainer has sorted it out from being a complete no hoper he should have to show something on the racecourse before it runs in a hcp.

Horse like Curley who land a gamble after a heap of duck eggs and then all of sudden racks up another 6 or 7 duck eggs that is deliberate inconsistency.

Silver at least people were aware of Barney - its the sneaky models of society types who annoy me. Some of what goes on is very subtle and I reckon plenty of the big priced winners in races like low quality handicap hurdles are not totally unfancied. Every 50 pound note wins a thousand or more.

The BHA have got rules to cover any scenario,the problem is they have got no guts,they should be able to withdraw a trainers licence when in their opinion the trainer is bringing the game into disrepute.

It wasnt that long ago that a certain horse(forgot the name of it.)ridden by M Goldstein was blatant ridden to get its handicap mark down,Jim Best and Goldstein were called in by the stewards who noted their explanation.
The horse was detached for most of the trip ,but then ran on past several backmarkers to finish full of running,the next time it ran Goldstein went off like a scalded cat until tiring badly in the final 1/4 mile,the ride was clearly a pi
44 take at the stewards.

Another race at Brighton,Best had 2 runners,one had been heavily backed in the morning on the exchanges,the other ons drifting,I saw someone I knew had contacts in the yard,he told me they didnt fancy the one that had been heavily backed,but the one that had drifted,the latter bolted with the well backed stable mate well beaten with(guess who on?) yes youve guessed P Doe.

the thing is silver

in the lower class races, the horses are mostly very moderate, sorry to state the obvious there. the point is you have trainers trying to win races for owners with poor stock and poor prize money. so they obviously need to place their horses to get weight off when they become unfeasibly treated, you'll see so many each day in hcps that just aren't given their conditions and any sort of poor tactics can enhance their downfall under these conditions.

am constantly looking for these types in hcps

i dont think yesterdays plot is the same thing at all

Fair enough we all knew what Curley was doing, other trainers are more subtle about things, Curley was taking the proverbial pi-ss out of the authorities for years while at the same time taken great pleasure out of it, the authorities knew this but were terrified to move against Curley and his bully boy tactics. Usually the threat of legal action.

But we all know horses cant talk!.

They found the worst race imaginable to try with a stopped horse , not often they dont get given a mark after 5 or 6 runs over timber.

I find it hilarious how clever they think they are really, its completely sickening , apparently they went into a hills shop and tried to have 16k at 5-2, GLWTP.

You cant really have a touch in these bad heats , not from a marked yard like his.

By the time tuppence hapennys gone on at the so called best prices they end up taking evens.

If you trusted them with your money yesterday ....... look up a horse they trained called Saute when it ran at Hereford in 2011 ...... looks a similar pattern .... made no show when 33/1, 100/1, 100/1 & 14/1 on soft/heavy going ....... then 2nd time in a h/cap, going= G-F, including a late change of jockey to AP ........ 2nd time in a h/cap off 93 backed off the boards to 4/6f .... and loses (3rd) !! ......... later that year went on to win 3 h/cap hurdles when rated up to 120........ so had at least a stone in hand when beat (deliberately ?). .....

Mattie is filthy. Known fact and his previous refusals to testify or provide phone records are but a coincidence.

Good luck to connections and as said previously;

Thank God Paul BITTAR is here to make a difference and stop this.

His mammoth salary is certainly worth it.