was factmachine at hexham.

THERE WAS PLENTY OF WAVING THE PAPER ON THE WINNING LINE

its funny how you go for ages without results and then they all come together.rlyl could be in front there now.when youve got 3 pitches and a tin you get your whack.

WHEN HE RETIRES INSTEAD OF A FLOWER BOX ON HIS FRONT WINDOW ITLL BE THE TIN WITH PRIMROSE POSYS AND VIOLETS GROWING .......EVEN THE TIN HAS TO HAVE A HAPPY RETIREMENT

YOU NEVER KNOW REGIT HE MAY DONATE IT TO YOU

PLEASE TO ANNOUNCE THE VALUE OF HEXHAM PITCHES WENT UP 40% AFTER LAST NIGHTS RESULTS AND THAT MINE IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT FOR SALE(THINKING OF BIDDING FOR NUMBER 6,WORTH EVERY PENNY OF THE 12K ASKING PRICE)

I had the pleasure of betting next to fact and can gladly say that he is definitely not selling his pitch and yes he was bigger than the machine at time stood results for a change for the good guys

Meant good results

It

It seems to me Regit is killing the on course market and factmachine is keeping it alive.

slips and t/o well up on previous years.oncourse market vibrant i.m.o. interested to see what ponty and beverley bring this weekend.

No thanks to you Regit as you probably exported the bulk of the increased turnover.

Dont know who you are wildman or why your so aggresive but i rarely have more than 15 % back on here.(dont know how those that have it all back make it pay.)at epsom i layed £1000 win £350 place the derby fav and £750 the odds on winner on here and had less than £300 in back bets.in the last 5 years i havent had one customer complaint and if theres a friendlier team than stan and chris i havent seen them.

Didn't realise you were such a happy chappy regit? your years with rlyl have obviously rubbed off,what next? free pens?

I have read your posts here and to me you are the antithesis of what a bookmaker should be.

I am a long time racecourse punter now back in Ireland,the bookmakers I admired were the ones that took a chance backed up their views and accepted bad days,you seem to want risk free bookmaking which removes the need for bookmakers.

The Irish rings are now sadly populated by gutless traders that won't take a bet and if they do insult you by trading the lot at profit.

A vibrant betting ring is essential for racing but the bookmakers in these rings must be prepared to take risks if they don't what is the point of the betting ring.Not betting to standard each way terms is villainous and wrong and will turn some racecourse punters into betting shop punters.

The nonsense of getting punters to bet with ye and then promptly exporting it to your deadliest rival is lost on Regit but factmachine  seems to realise that this short term gain is killing racecourse betting.

it's at least two years too late but at long last a few racecourses [ with others hanging onto their coat tails ] are finally making a stand about racecourse bookmaker behaviour
as I have the priviledge of being sent [ no doubt in error  ] some of the consultation reposts that some twenty or so individuals  wailing about this decision have sent in .one has even had the brass neck to complain that if he cannot be allowed to .bet 1/6th each way in 20 runner handicaps and 1/5th each way in 15 runner handicaps it will cost him 35 grand a year

ADGE - I think that just about puts an end to the 'we're altering terms to give the customer choice' argument....don't you agree ?

not quite , mug, they still have the possible choice to take the win only price but , of course , that will be available elsewhere too

not quite , mug, they still have the possible choice to take the win only price but , of course , that will be available elsewhere too

some interesting points(dont see the need for nastiness).
yes i now try to bet over when i can.
when i had a couple of betting shops i regularly stood horses for more than most books do now.once lost £26000 on 3 £50 dbles and a £50 treble and if last suspect hadnt got up to beat mr snugfit(i think) i would have had to go to the bank.
get on well with factmachine but i have invested a lot of money and dont really see how i run my business has anything to do with anybody else and object to being told by the racecourses how to run my business.i bet proper ew terms probably more than most.frankels race at ascot and big bucks at aintree good examples.
i dont really understand why it matters what happens to your bet once accepted as in the olden days it was probably traded with a back line bookmaker at a bigger price.
i dont regard the exchanges as rivals as they allow me lay horses at smaller prices and back back at bigger.
if im honest im glad i dont know u as i would be dissapointed if someone i knew had your thoughts.

adge im not going down the ew again but a bookmaker rang me with a fair point.if your allowed to offer better odds and not just the standard who decides if 1/3 123 is better or worse than 1/5 1234.

It was always bad practise dressed up as offering the customer a choice to 'compete' with exchanges.....now fully exposed as exploiting the unwary with profit in mind.

regit

I don't regard exchanges as rivals ?

they are eating away at us every day, we pay fortunes in tax and other expenses whilst those on the exchanges pay nothing the ring has many punters looking at our boards then looking at the exchange price to see which is the best,now I don't blame them for that but I cant see how anybody racecourse bookmaker can come out with a statement like they are not our rivals.

adge im not going down the ew again but a bookmaker rang me with a fair point.if your allowed to offer better odds and not just the standard who decides if 1/3 123 is better or worse than 1/5 1234.

I also wondered if 1/5 123 in 7 runners was considered inferior or superior to 1/4 12.  If your horse wins or is 2nd then 1/4 odds better but if its 3rd its not the case.  Some do offer 1/5 123 in 7 runner races now.

My understanding is that the fraction must be at least the standard terms one but you can increase the number of places paid if you wish.

jimnast the exchanges are obviously rivals in the terms you describe but so are the offices.but there here and i would rather use them to help my profitability and thus my business than just blame them for everything.the exchanges allow me to take bets i couldnt have taken before,to go out with less staff and so keep my exes down.they also give me a better tissue so that when i commence betting im less likely to make a mistake pricing up.i use them if i cant get on with the offices when punting and def. when im arbing.i think there in a bit of trouble with bots keeping them running as layers go skint but im not going to be hypocritical about them.i could manage without them if i had to but would vote to keep them.

im sure your right wassy and the associations will go along with the racecourses but id love to see a challenge and see how they would say 1.the law of the land is wrong 2.argue that 1/5 1234 is better than 1/3 123.the specialist witnesses would have degrees in oxford and cambridge and jockey would become famous.

REGIT - THAT'S A CHANGE IN POSITION...LAST WEEK YOU 'NEEDED' THE EXCHANGES...NOW YOU COULD 'MANAGE' WITHOUT THEM.....HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK YOU'LL WANT TO GET RID.

JIMNAST- GOOD POST...AGREE 100%

WASNOT - I'M NOT SURE WHETHER 1/6 1.2 IS BIGGER THAN 1/4 1.2...SURELY THE SIX IS BIGGER/BETTER THAN THE FOUR ?.....THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM

GENTLEMAN,PLEASE FORGIVE MY OLD PAL REGIT FOR STILL BELIEVING THE EXCHANGES ARE GOOD FOR ONCOURSE BOOKMAKING,STOCKHOLM SYNDROME IS A COMMON CONDITION WHEN COMMISSION AGENTS LEAVE THE ILLUMINATI AND REGIT MUST BE GIVEN TIME TO MAKE A FULL RECOVERY,MUG I MIGHT BE SEEING U ON SATURDAY BUT COULD BE AT HAYDOCK(DEPENDING ON THE CARDS)IF IM AT THE LATER MIGHT SEE U ON SUNDAY ON THE WAY HOME FROM A TROT(IF U FANCY A CHINEESE/INDIAN

did u actually read it mugbookie.i said i would vote to keep them.i could manage without as i managed before but i think im better off with them.im quite prepared to discuss and change my mind if someone convinces me im wrong unlike some.

a secret ballot wether to keep or get rid of exchanges oncourse would i.m.o. not come out with the result youd want fact and mug.if that happened obviously the majority would be wrong.

REGIT - I READ ALL OF YOUR POSTINGS....I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT A MAN OF YOUR OBVIOUS INTELLIGENCE CANNOT SEE THAT THE EXCHANGES ON COURSE HAVE BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A HUGE NEGATIVE.

HI FACT - 'TROTS' AND INDIAN IN THE SAME SENTANCE...PLEASE !!!!!.... AM BUSY SUNDAY BUT HAPPY TO DINE OUT AFTER ANY MEETING.GLAD TO SEE YOUR STILL IN GOOD FORM.

MUG,SAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD BUT OFF TO THE WOOF WOOFS STRAIGHT AFTER,SO IF I DONT C U AT CHESTER WILL ARRANGE SOMETHING NEXT WEEK,GLAD TO REPORT THE LAST TWO WEEKS HAVE PROVED BEYOND DOUBT THERE IS A GOD

FACT - GOD....NEVER IN DOUBT.....RESULTS....DIFFERENT STORY ....LADIES EVENING WEEK THURSDAY AT UTTOX ?

regit

the offices are of little or no threat to us,just like the tote,now betfred is a different matter once he gets going.what is your view on a bookmaker having the entire bet back in the exchanges even before the punters ticket has popped out ,if the full amount wasn't matched the punter couldn't have the bet ?this is the circus it has become.

MUG,WILL C U AT UTTOX

exactly Jimnast and those sort of operators speed up the demise of the ring everytime they set foot on the racecourse..... they can't see it, just want to arb the next £........

Regit,of course a ballot (why secret?) would result in keeping the exchanges as unfortunately the ring is now full of clueless sychophants who can't see further than the end of their nose,but please don't tell me its a good thing,i don't blame punters for using them one bit but they are the worst thing ever to happen to the on course market.
The amusing thing is that even some of the early "pioneers" who couldn't wait to get an advantage realise that now everyone's on them that they quite what they were cracked up to be,lol.

are'nt.

Im off out today and i dont really want to get into an argument but my opinion of the exchanges hasnt changed that much over the years.would the ring be stronger if they hadnt happened?yes without a doubt.BUT i do think all they have done is speed up the decline.
before buying and selling there were only a few strong books.the offices and the larger punters bet with them,some kept the money some earned off it.when buying and selling started there allready wasnt enough money to go round on the quiet days.betting in general was in decline.before i got out of betting shops there were already a lack of young people coming in and those that did played the bandits and bet on football.
when the exchanges first arrived i was lucky(thanks to rlyl)to be one of the first to get going and like him(older and not so ambitious)used the money to buy up and improve my positions.over the years i have continued to use them but less and less.rlyl once told me you usually get 6 months at something then everyone catches up.it took slightly longer and ribero is right were all paying alot with no edge(electronic boards another example)but i believe the exchanges have had their day,especially on the horses.the reasons i.m.o. are
1.the exchanges are like a giant roulette wheel and after every spin someone pays and money leaves the market.
2.its boring,i still arb but only when i have an interest in the actual event.
3.the offices have fought back brilliantly.i still keep a couple of accounts arb free just for the amazing value.money back if the derby fav wins for example.
i dont know whether the ring will ever recover midweek but i genuinely believe if you stopped the ring using the exchanges it wouldnt be as competitive and the punters that are coming back would know this.i repeat that from my point of view regarding my pitches(mid range for people who dont know me)i am very optimistic and as long as the sun shines and the fields hold up people will continue to come.
just to answer a couple of points.jimnast i dont know anyone who has it all back.i cant see how they make it pay.i dont have a problem with the principle of it ,its their business but not laying the bet till its matched is disgracefull and surely must impact on their business.ribero your excellent pitches mean that your playing a different game to most of us(i dont mean this negatively,there bought and paid for)but the exchanges have definately made it easier for everyone to compete.
finally while the exchanges might rightly have their critics 10 bookmakers will turn up today at thirsk(might be enough business for 10).unfortunately they will run 20 pitches under different names.if you look hard you might find a bookmaker WITH ONE PITCH THAT HE OWNS BETTING IN HIS OWN NAME.one things for certain it wont be me im off to the dales to walk.

SOUNDS LIKE A GOODBYE NOTE REGIT ..........

Regit - Good post, I think I agree with what you said. I dont think the exchanges are the real problem apart from the fact that they allow certain firms to trade who would otherwise have packed the game in.

Biggest problem I feel in the ring is liquidity, punters just don't have enough cash and racecourses are poor at providing ATM facilities. If you could channel all the marketing fees into hiring and placing more ATM's at racecourses then im sure business would improve.

well for me it's not thirsk either.
it's the whinlatter pass and borrowdale this morning and an afternoon in Keswick  by derwentwater and then probably the shin beef cooked in guinness at a 16th centuary inn , together with a few local ales

ah marketing fees I hope royal ascot are using our marketing fees well. I am sure if they can remind the locals the meeting is imminent they might get more to come,in fact perhaps an advert in the racing post to remind the wider racing public when its on would be a help.or better still do as the likes of Ludlow have done and sponser a race perhaps we could have the bet with the racecourse bookmakers st james palace stakes that would let the racegoers in the private boxes know we were there instead of just thinking betfred/tote were the only ones to bet with.

It's the timidity of Regit that gets me.

If racecourses want to market let them do so but it is not the function of the bookmakers.

when we pay a marketing fee, I think we are fully entitled to have an opinion of how it could be used

ok wildman.if your talking about the post above you last post it wasnt me it was jimnast and he stands horses so is one of your good guys.if its something i said earlier and the question was.its the temerity of regit that gets me.you probably dont know but as well as paying a larger number of multiple entrances to bet we also now pay a marketing fee.a one off payment at the begining of the season averaging about £100 per tatts pitch.some racecourses appear to have used the money to market oncourse bookmakers(doncaster showed a video for example)but others appear to have not done anything yet.BTRFED are definately a problem.in the hanger at the grand national meeting an area that the management had used for bookmakers for a number of years was now a btfrd betting shop and the books were pushed to the side.

hope you had as nice a day as me adge.fantastic weather.interested in the number of books at thirsk anyone.weather must have helped crowd.hard to tell from results whether a winning day for books.last result would probably have been better in the middle of the card.8 races too many.glorious morning and a few runners should bring them out at ponty.be lucky.

regarding btfrd jimnast he must be worried that racecourses dont all go down the chesterbet riponbet road.other racecourses will be watching closely.which bookmaker will be the first to take them on with a large sign on the front.
WE LAY CHESTERBET DIVIDENDS + 10%.

I look on it as a contest when I am racing,I am trying to get money off the bookies and they are trying to get same off me,that's the gamble so when bookmakers try to remove the gambling element by taking no risks they cease to be relevant.

Anyone betting in cash years ago always went racing but the constant refusal of bets the ludicrous each way terms and the new scourge the recycling of your bet on here has driven the cash punter away.

David Power bets in England and Ireland he is usually under the odds but he will bet you to decent amounts,although if he is ever going best odds a horse you should no longer want to back it.

regit

I should think betfred are a bit concerned about the likes of chesterbet and riponbet,i am surprised they have not made a bigger issue of it due to the fact he paid so much for the tote in the first place {although he hasn't pulled it up yet }as a racecourse bookmaker I have no worries whatsoever about chesterbet/riponbet and would be happy to have ascot bet hexham bet and any other racecourse bet rather than betfred.re betting over I have no problems with any bookmaker who bets over lets face it we are there to win.

That's the attitude that will kill ye

Good punters make good bookmakers.

10 in tatts,5 on rails,rlyl with 20% of them,he can have 100% next time there's an extra meeting,it was very poor imo,went before the last although laid the front 2 on here,something i should have been doing all day from home rather than at thirsk,another lesson learned,no more extra meetings for yours truly.

Glad I swerved it

If there has ever been a couple of good extra meetings it doesn't make up for all the bad ones.

If its not on the calendar punters tend to stay away

Wildman were jut going to have to disagree.i dont refuse bets(one of your countryman had £500ew his horse that won the first at aintree and remarked how polite me and the other book were when paying out.it was probably cos id hedged on here,not all of it and to me it was just part of my book)and i dont bet dodgy ew.when not betting i used to go racing 2 o 3 times a week but rarely go now.for me its the cost £25 petrol,£15 to get in etc. and the fact ive found other things to do.i think the reasons the ring has gone quiet are manyfold and just part of life.anyone who opened an internet cafe 3 or 4 years ago probably thought they had a businss for life but mobile phones have taken over.nobody knows where we will be in 5 years time but onethings for sure i will just be getting on with it.nobody owes me a living.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH WILDMAN IN RESPECT OF THE CURRENT CROP OF BOOKMAKERS(BOTH ONCOURSE AND OFFCOURSE)THE MAJORITY BEING COMMISSION AGENTS OR BLUFFERS THE BOOKS THAT WILL NOW STAND A BET ARE IN THE MINORITY,YET ALL THE MAJOR DECISIONS REGARDING BOOKMAKING OF ANY DESCRIPTION SEEMS TO BE MADE BY THE MAJORITY(ILLUMINATI) BUT EVEN ALLOWING FOR THIS FACT PUNTERS HAVE NEVER EVER HAD IT SO GOOD(WITH THE BOOKS U CAN GET ON WITH)THE LIQUIDITY ON HERE IS A JOKE,THE SO CALLED BIG FIRMS WONT TAKE A BET FULL STOP,COME RACING NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE,JUST SHOP AROUND,AS FOR BETFRED,CHESTERBET,RIPONBET,THESE JOKERS/BLUFFERS ARE NO THREAT WHATSOEVER,REGIT I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF THE CHESTERBET +10% SIGN(I AM VERY VERY TEMPTED),HAYDOCK TONIGHT BEAUTIFUL DAY,BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE

The weather swayed it for me yesterday and only up the road as well,even missile missed although i hear he was advised to give the "fair price" button a rest before tonight's onslaught at his local stronghold.

never seen that sign regit but good on ya.

Fact----- there will be a massive increase in cases of Bookmakers with Repetitive Strain injury in the UK over the next few years as a result of the move neck behind joint check machine move neck back to front of the joint........

Not only are you giving a decent service to those punters left in the ring by laying a bet...... you can be safe in the knowledge that you will still be plying your trade long after the exchange agents have left the ring through RSI

Perhaps Chester/Ripon could be persuaded to use the marketing fee to make regit's sign