4 Accounts closed this week.

4 really, what type of horses were you looking to back, could you name just a few of em please.

How do you access the account when opened in your mates name.

Do you use his card to make deposits/withdrawls?

Do you log into the account through your computer?

I'm running out of friends too, especially since I ran out of soap. As you are so successful, consider consulting a lawyer as to whether there has been a breach of the Data Protection Act, or even if it is worth making a complaint to the OFT. My guess is that directly sharing information would be illegal but that doing so via a third party would  be OK but IANAL.

Mind you, there might be some interesting legal questions thrown up around your control of other people's accounts.

Driving at 31 mph  in a 30 zone is illegal but 95% of drivers do it, chance of four closed accounts around the same  being a  coincidence are I would say pretty high.

What type of bets do you make? Arbing? People who complain about this very rarely have regular bets.

is no one going to say

"thinly veiled.... thread imo" ?

Mike, ask yourself whether the sky will be blue tomorrow, then ask yourself the question in your opening post, imo...

Sadly looks like Mike will have to take the laughing out of his user name

People who complain about this very rarely have regular bets.

not that rare in my experience

What type of bets do you make? Arbing? People who complain about this very rarely have regular bets.


People who come on to these threads to ask whether the people complaining are arbers are usually not very successful punters, imo...

^ ha ha ha in his opinion! Utterly worthless, negative, paranoid garbage ^

Mike - ask yourself the following.

Forget the arbing rubbish, that's just a lazy excuse from people who don't know how to win at betting. I have lost over 50 accounts and have never arbed in my life. Korals, piddypower and badbrokes even limit me on sp bets.

1) do u beat sp
2) do u take the overnight prices
3) do u make a profit long term
4) do u follow tipsters

If unanswered yes to 1 of these u r in trouble, if u answer yes to all 4 then the game is pretty much up. Lasting 2 weeks with a new account is about the max u will get before they shut u down even with different ip addresses.

ive had over 500 accounts iin the last 5 years...The last 18 months has been by far the worst for account closures. sometime closed for bets as low as £20/30 and others after only on bet

are you jason bourne

People who come on to these threads to ask whether the people complaining are arbers are usually not very successful punters, imo...

I've opened an account three weeks ago, so far £2K up, account still open, not arbing though, so I guess that will explain it.

the only consistent way is to hit the shops.
If you come across as having opened a Racing Post in your life you will be closed..

To answer some questions.....

I arb, take advantage of EW in 16+ hcps, back EW with odds on chances, follow Pricewise as well as being reasonably profitable on greyhounds. Basically anyway where I have an edge I'll play. I have had accounts closed down with every bookie over the years and accept that as part of what I do because bookies only want mug punters, but having 4 closed so close together has me smelling a rat.

Captain, they may have it wrong, but if you can still bet they expect you to lose in the long run.

There's nothing else...

I do find it strange how these people never actually post up their 'winnings', please do so the next time or shut up.

not rocket appliances,,if u win get banned... siralex is 100 o/o right in what he said..

But wish there reps and ads tell the truth out there

why only 4 accounts closed ?? , have you been ill, or did you only open 4 ?? the games finished , high st shops or bookies accounts are for  bingo or roulette playing , its pointless opening an account with old man vic, bet (im not an accountant im a bookie) fred, paddy (we hear you (NOT) power............ not to mention the tragic sign ladbrokes !

4 this week......................wots it going to be like by Tuesday...........

These days any bookmaker's computer will flag up accounts arbing and betting in filthy e/w races, so no need to share information. Or accounts that are simply profitable.

OP is a follower of Pricewise, he states this on another thread, anyone backing his tips online appears to be closed down quicker than normal.

People still overlook cookies, there's no need for them to swap account information, they have it already through cookies.

If you have a Betfair account, best if you can have it on a seperate computer.

It's the easiest thing in the world to have as many accounts as you like in relatives/friends names without them knowing it's you that controls them, believe me!

At the end of the day, in the UK (Ireland here), it comes down to FOBT's, they don't need traditional horse racing income anymore, a shop requires a minimum of 2 staff when taking over the counter bets, but only 1 to sit in the "change here" booth of what's now a mini casino, with no risk to them and a fixed/guaranteed return, whereas with racing the punter has a chance of winning.

Yesterday I had 2000/600 on Magician in a Powers shop, no problem, last night when I returned home, I had an online 1200/1000 with Powers on Enobled, it was my first time in the shop by the way. They take bets here because we don't have FOBT's, how else will they make money.

You will still be closed down if your a winner online with any bookie, in any country, but the point I'm making is, if you win in a shop here, you can always come back to the same shop or another one tomorrow, in the UK you know before you enter any High St. bookies, you're gonna be either refused or restricted to peanuts.

I'll bet you a euro to a cent, the majority of people that complain regularly on here, about being closed, refused or restricted, have never written/emailed to their MP, Council or whatever regulatory body is responsible for, or can control the expansion of FOBT's or reduce their playable limits.

Not saying you can't complain on here, of course you can it's your right, but follow it up to where it might just change things.

The death yesterday of the Ladbrokes employee(RIP), may be unrelated to anything to do with what a lot of people have said so far on here, but I don't think many of us would bet against what we suspect to be the truth of what happened or made it possible to happen.

Vent, complain or moan on here, it won't do any good, it may do some good if you spread your experiences where it matters, of the real story with UK High street bookies or more correctly referred to as mini casino operators hiding behind bookies licences.

I get loyalty bonuses from Bet365..Money in my account from betfair. Free bets from Ladbrokes, free entry tickets from RUK. matched bets from PP and Victor. Free diaries from SJ PP, and RUK...What am I doing wrong?

What am I doing wrong

Backing winners would be my first guess.

i think it's wrong for people to resort to smelling rats when there account is closed

Siralex has summed things up quite clearly.All bookmakers operate a " mugs only" policy.

windsor boy aka fraudy has an account with fantasy island bookmakers,they never close his account

artie.....................thats why theres no more Diaries.....................the punters left...............dont know wot day it is

Captain, they may have it wrong, but if you can still bet they expect you to lose in the long run.

Of course the odds are against you in the long run, UNLESS you are taking the p1ss in which case they close your account having seen what you are doing. If you appear to play the game straight they will surely allow you to go on betting because they think they are going to get their money back, but where do they draw the line and say you are milking them? This is what I don't get, clearly the people who have accounts shut-down have obvious betting patterns which set alarm bells ringing.

If you appear to play the game straight they will surely allow you to go on betting


Err that would be a no..

You are no longer laughing,Mike!

If you really had the game by the balls and played straight as you appear to imply you wouldn't need to go to bookies, you could bet on here, no accounts shut down as far as I am aware.

You made an assumption, and you're wrong. If by playing the game straight you mean losing, well that's not in my DNA.

You have to evolve as a gambler, the posts are moved and always have been by the high street. The differnce now is they just don't want or need the core product that used to be Racing.. So consequently any sign of a punter being smarter than a lemming, your account is demolished.

I suppose that's playing fair, as you put it?

What I mean is using your skill and knowledge of the game to beat the odds, not looking to nick a point to lay back on here, clearly that is what you and the others are doing, DNA, fack me what a fool.

Well i was trying to have a conversation with you, but as you now show yourself to be an utter raving neanderthal (a bit like your namesake) you can now just FRO... Me an arber

Captain. Not being funny but I want to back a horse tomorrow. It is 9/1 and 8/1 with the bookies but I don't have an account. It is 6/1 on here.
No bookies shops taking bets on it I can go to. By tomorrow it will probably be 6/1 everywhere. I just want to take advantage of the bigger price on offer tonight. It is simply wrong for a bookie to offer odds but not be prepared to take a bet on it.

Sira,
I offer Fillet Steak at 50P per lb (when I have not got any to sell).
Does this help?

Well i was trying to have a conversation with you, but as you now show yourself to be an utter raving neanderthal (a bit like your namesake) you can now just FRO... Me an arbe

If you had any sense or a true knowledge of the game and could truly beat the odds you wouldn't be dependant on bookies, simple as that.

Captain. Not being funny but I want to back a horse tomorrow. It is 9/1 and 8/1 with the bookies but I don't have an account. It is 6/1 on here.
No bookies shops taking bets on it I can go to. By tomorrow it will probably be 6/1 everywhere. I just want to take advantage of the bigger price on offer tonight. It is simply wrong for a bookie to offer odds but not be prepared to take a bet on it.

Why are you constantly bellyaching about this sort of thing, clearly you want to get 9/1 in the hope it is 6/1 tomorrow so you can lay off on here, crystal clear.

Oh stfu ye anal retentive ****. Who the feck said i was dependant on any bookie? Just another of your brainless assumptions. Don't presume to know someone you've never met (i don't visit nuthouses too often so that scenario is highly unlikely)

Oh stfu ye anal retentive **** . Don't presume to know someone you've never met


Boys and girls, can anyone spot the hypocrisy within this short answer?

Don't know why that only has 4 asterisks...

It said a r s e hole. Is that long enough now?

Don't know why that only has 4 asterisks...

It said a r s e hole. Is that long enough now?

Good job they have that sort of thing for thick c*nt*s

If i'm thick that would put you in ginormous levels of ****iness..

is it possible for the online bookies to track the IP address of your PC/laptop? or the location that you're using the internet from? I've got a feeling that they can track this, and that's how betfair stop you setting up new accounts to avoid Premium Charge

it is illegal sharing information but i'm sure they do/ i had accounts open for ages then 2/3 get restricted in the same week even if i didnt use some of them that week or the previous.
the uk books r bent and plus they copy each others odds.

Siralex, I'll repeat again just for you as to why they advertise 9/1 but won't take a bet, they have to appear to be a bookie, that's what their licence is issued for "bookmaking", they are hiding behind their licence in order to run FOBT's, would you run a shop as a bookies that requires more staff, can be a losing shop if people are savvy or even have half a brain when it comes to backing horses, or would you run it with four money making machines overseen by one member of staff behind the counter, have you ever read any bookies annual accounts reports, it's all there, long term financial goals, more shop openings, with savings in staff costs.

All you do is moan on here constantly, have you notified anyone about your concerns, that might be in a position to change the current situation, have you fcuk is my guess, you don't even gamble anymore by my definition, you pay people for information, then you place your bets based on this.

It has nothing to do with IP addresses, it's the computer that stores the cookie that provides the info not the IP address, technology has moved on from changing IP adresses. Getting around this to open as many accounts as you like is as simple as anything, think about it.

They don't want horseracing buisness anymore unless it's a losing mug, you're not going to change that by moaning on here day after day, so I'll repeat again, sort the FOBT problem out, then they will have to revert to taking bets again, if they want to survive, no FOBT's over here is the proof of that.

my mate is a pro in-running punter who pays premium charge and he recons that if I go round to his house and log on with my own account then any bets I place will be subject to premium charge.

You will only pay PC if your account is already a PC paying account. They may suspect that your account is in effect your mates account and close you down, when they see the same IP address pop up.

A way around paying PC with non identifiable different accounts is already there.

@the bloob -- when you log in from your mate's house, use the browser in "incognito" aka "private" aka "porn" mode, so you do not share his cookies.

Tbh, I'd have thought premium charge or not would be down to which account you use rather than either cookies or IP address, but perhaps I am naive.

Ram, incognito makes no difference.

This whole IP address argument may be little more than paranoia. People logging in from internet cafes or the same companies or even from some ISPs will seem to come from the same IP address.

they install flash cookies on ur pc. u have to get rid of them.

if people spent a fraction of their time on learning how to mask their betting, rather than complaining in endless threads such as these, they would have a much more stress free life imo.

A little pointer in the right direction = onion.

The issue of IP addresses is complete bollocks. Most IP servers have customers on proxy services, that's why they can offer cheap internet. Customers seldom get the same IP address when they go online.

Yomomma is right, delete the cookies.

If you seldom use Bookies and only when they are best price what do you expect? Captain Christy is right. If you bet with them daily, and place plenty of bets, you get on no problem. I have winning accounts, albeit not much, about 2k each, with 2 I use all the time and get on no problem. It`s good for their overall turnover, makes their books look good and as an earlier poster said, they expect to beat me long term given the number of bets I make.

laughingmike - pmsl at your opening thread - dream on the total and utter clown.

Mightymac, it's not as simple as that, have you not heard of evercookies and bacontrout your "onion" suggestion is not as successful as you believe.

  evercookie is a javascript API available that produces
    extremely persistent cookies in a browser. Its goal
    is to identify a client even after they've removed standard
    cookies, Flash cookies (Local Shared Objects or LSOs), and
    others.

    evercookie accomplishes this by storing the cookie data in
    several types of storage mechanisms that are available on
    the local browser. Additionally, if evercookie has found the
    user has removed any of the types of cookies in question, it
    recreates them using each mechanism available.

If you think the stuff about IP addresses is complete bollocks, invite a friend round your gaff and try playing at the same poker table as them, and see what happens.

Alternatively open a poker account with Betfair,Bet 365, Betfred, and any other High Street bookies skin on the Ipoker newtork, and try registering each of your accounts on the same table on the same laptop.

This fred is getting more surreal by the minute...

I reckon that in the not too distant future, arbitrage betting will be acceptable from most bookies cos more and more exchanges will appear and they'll be basically no need to use them.

I've tried arbing but it doesn't work for me. Spending about £100 to make a quid along with the paranoia doesn't seem worth it.

Here's one for you...

Something is 5 with the bookies and 5.2 with Betfair. If I back it with the bookies and lay it when the odds have dropped is this still classed as arbitrage betting???

Gandalf is right about "evercookies".

evercookies!? and which bookies are using those exactly?!?! in any case they are only mildly harder to get rid of than normal cookies.

and how would the tor network not be successful in this case Gandalf??

What`s the point of starting threads like this, which happens with alarming regularity? Only logical reason is that people want to brag how successful they are as punters and state their deluded "superiority" as gamblers.

Bacon, which bookies do you know that are not using every means available to gather data?

As for Tor, one of it's many failings.

Tor anonymizes the origin of your traffic, and it encrypts everything between you and the Tor network and everything inside the Tor network, but it can't encrypt your traffic between the Tor network and its final destination. If you are communicating sensitive information, you should use as much care as you would on the normal scary Internet — use HTTPS or other end-to-end encryption and authentication.

@bacontrout

Please explain onion?
Cheers

I know for a fact that the majority of bookies don't use evercookies, simply because I have checked.

your info about tor is correct, but again, how would that pose a difficulty for this scenario??

How have you checked?

I've definitive information to contradict your "checking".

Tor itself is often highlighted as a virus source from known anti-virus software. Tor conveniently puts this down to being overzealous and false positives.

How does Tor survive on donations alone? It doesn't. It is also a gatherer and seller of data.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. You have your beliefs, I have my confirmed facts. It's whatever you believe works (or not) for you that matters. Anyway good luck with your arbing, trading or punting, I suspect I have them in the right order.

I have a good friend a retired professional(not gambling) who's had in excess of a dozen accounts closed & many more in his wifes name. He is the worst judge I've ever met but he trades to the maximum they'll have. That's why they feck you off boys not cos your all winners, would Tesco's allow you to hoover up  there special  offers knowing you've got a mug your going to double up on. I think not.

I have a good friend a retired professional(not gambling) who's had in excess of a dozen accounts closed & many more in his wifes name. He is the worst judge I've ever met but he trades to the maximum they'll have. That's why they feck you off boys not cos your all winners, would Tesco's allow you to hoover up  there special  offers knowing you've got a mug your going to double up on. I think not.

I have a good friend a retired professional(not gambling) who's had in excess of a dozen accounts closed & many more in his wifes name. He is the worst judge I've ever met but he trades to the maximum they'll have. That's why they feck you off boys not cos your all winners, would Tesco's allow you to hoover up  there special  offers knowing you've got a mug your going to double up on. I think not.

I have a good friend a retired professional(not gambling) who's had in excess of a dozen accounts closed & many more in his wifes name. He is the worst judge I've ever met but he trades to the maximum they'll have. That's why they feck you off boys not cos your all winners, would Tesco's allow you to hoover up  there special  offers knowing you've got a mug your going to double up on. I think not.

I have a good friend a retired professional(not gambling) who's had in excess of a dozen accounts closed & many more in his wifes name. He is the worst judge I've ever met but he trades to the maximum they'll have. That's why they feck you off boys not cos your all winners, would Tesco's allow you to hoover up  there special  offers knowing you've got a mug your going to double up on. I think not.

sorry men

They don't want horseracing buisness anymore unless it's a losing mug, you're not going to change that by moaning on here day after day, so I'll repeat again, sort the FOBT problem out, then they will have to revert to taking bets again, if they want to survive, no FOBT's over here is the proof of that.

All those diversionary threads on problem gambling and social concern!

It's really simple.

Shopping around for the best price is not allowed.

Backing horses that shorten in price is not allowed.

Backing horses that beat SP is not allowed.

Backing horses that are shorter on here is not allowed.

Showing behaviour likely to lead to winning is not allowed.

And of course, winning in the long run is not allowed.

Do any of these things, and you won't be allowed to bet any more.

Well, that's unless you are a worthless, corpulent, integrity-lite media freeloader. If you are one of those, you can do all of the above - as long as you are corrupt enough to keep your mouth shut while your readers/viewers get discriminated against in the most cynical and underhand manner...

To those of you who have made relevant and intelligent replies, thank you very much.

To the others who have made negative/nasty comments to myself or other posters please have some manners and decorum, if you have neither please post somewhere else.

the latest was an e-mail from Koral, "all your bets will be referred to a trader"...
or in laymans terms, you are now restricted to buttons..
hardly ever bet with the fookers before.

Glad to see clive82 was not part of the Ladcrookes clearout.His PR skills would be much missed....