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wot av U got........wallpaper ?
not forgetting some royal brownnosing tomorrow on the beeb
when she relaxes and enjoys herself, like doing the swimming at the Olympics, she is bearable
but when she does the ever-so-inclusive-determined-to-be-politically-correct-and-concerned act she makes me wanna vomit
unfortunately the latter accounts for about 99% of her time on TV
ffs she even pulled that act on QI for gawds sake, it was excrutiating
but when she does the ever-so-inclusive-determined-to-be-politically-correct-and-concerned act she makes me wanna vomit
unfortunately the latter accounts for about 99% of her time on TV
ffs she even pulled that act on QI for gawds sake, it was excrutiating
but when she does the ever-so-inclusive-determined-to-be-politically-correct-and-concerned act she makes me wanna vomit
She lives for those moments, imo - she thinks she's so much smarter than the rest of us that it's somehow her duty to educate us all, however condescending it all ends up becoming.
That the 'National Treasure' brigade are still prepared to cheer from the side lines while they are being patronised to within an inch of their lives only goes to show how easily people will jump on any available bandwagon, imo...
She lives for those moments, imo - she thinks she's so much smarter than the rest of us that it's somehow her duty to educate us all, however condescending it all ends up becoming.
That the 'National Treasure' brigade are still prepared to cheer from the side lines while they are being patronised to within an inch of their lives only goes to show how easily people will jump on any available bandwagon, imo...
indeed
and any sign of descent and you get treated as a pariah whose whole existence should be seen as an affront to humanity
and any sign of descent and you get treated as a pariah whose whole existence should be seen as an affront to humanity
I look forward to the Oaks and Derby but now not so much. Next year I might fly over from Dublin as I did for about ten years to avoid the commentary.
She is on CH4 tonight, with the story of Emily Davison.
I dont think I will watch it, as I can hear myself saying.
"Should have gone to SpecSavers"
I dont think I will watch it, as I can hear myself saying.
"Should have gone to SpecSavers"
Why isn't the programme just called 'Secrets Of A Suffragete'? Does the Balding name literally put that many bums on seats?
@differentdrum -- it is now generally accepted by the muppetts who run broadcasting that the Great British public will only watch documentaries fronted by celebrities (various Dimblebys, Joanna Lumley and so on) rather than actual professors who know wtf they are talking about.
Probably this "stunt casting" has more to do with the way telly works these days. Most programmes are made by small production companies who pitch ideas to the various channels, and it is doubtless easier to get your idea commissioned (or at least considered) if it has an "established name" attached.
The Balding name will also catch the attention of the various television reviewers and previewers for newspapers, magazines and web sites.
So for all these reasons, the answer is yes (sort of).
Probably this "stunt casting" has more to do with the way telly works these days. Most programmes are made by small production companies who pitch ideas to the various channels, and it is doubtless easier to get your idea commissioned (or at least considered) if it has an "established name" attached.
The Balding name will also catch the attention of the various television reviewers and previewers for newspapers, magazines and web sites.
So for all these reasons, the answer is yes (sort of).
Was the "suffragete " a lesbian...................is this the connection
shed want you to know
shed want you to know
Is there no one immune to these out pourings of negativity and bile?
Good grief.
"Clare Balding's Secrets of a Suffragette."
Jesus wept.
"Clare Balding's Secrets of a Suffragette."
Jesus wept.
Uncle Willie at the dinner table there...was that William Hastings-Bass...Lord Huntingdon?
Only a matter of time before she interviews the family dog...
Only a matter of time before she interviews the family dog...
Anmer ? had already traded at 1000/1 before Emily stopped it 
the finish looked a traders dream ....
the finish looked a traders dream ....
Suffragettes
surprise surprise
gallant women fighting for their rights against the evil oppressor
MEN
I still think she should never have been brought on Ch4 racing team..
even though she is not always on...she has destroyed the atmosphere for me
Men are men, women are women, still the best system for me....Its as much as some of us can cope with..
still everybody makes their own choice
surprise surprise
gallant women fighting for their rights against the evil oppressor
MEN
I still think she should never have been brought on Ch4 racing team..
even though she is not always on...she has destroyed the atmosphere for me
Men are men, women are women, still the best system for me....Its as much as some of us can cope with..
still everybody makes their own choice
Ebulgery - I was wondering if one of the regulars on here would link the fact than Balding is gay, with the issues raised in a documentary about women's suffrage. I am surprised it is you, and even more surprised that you could be that stupid.
I mean...to be fair...there were THREE of 'em around the dinner table...
The one presenting the programme as described by the original poster, Velazquez. Do try to keep up, I will not help again.
That's "Velasquez", ya diddy!
Don't worry - I WILL help again...
Don't worry - I WILL help again...
It is her feminism, I object to:
She claims to be advancing the cause of women, she wants to stand up for woman's rights..
Well against who exactly?.... well there is only one answer to that men.
as a man I find offensive
Being Gay.. homosexual to be exact
Well she has sold this across the media....
and unfortunately AD keeps us informed on here
it is something I tolerate, but I do want it shoved in my face..
The ridiculous legislation pushed through parliament has not helped
and the atmosphere of Ch4 has changed, for the worse in my opinion
It is not men who oppress women, it is nature, women have babies, men do the hunting and gathering
it is genetics, I think we are stupid if we tamper with that
She claims to be advancing the cause of women, she wants to stand up for woman's rights..
Well against who exactly?.... well there is only one answer to that men.
as a man I find offensive
Being Gay.. homosexual to be exact
Well she has sold this across the media....
and unfortunately AD keeps us informed on here
it is something I tolerate, but I do want it shoved in my face..
The ridiculous legislation pushed through parliament has not helped
and the atmosphere of Ch4 has changed, for the worse in my opinion
It is not men who oppress women, it is nature, women have babies, men do the hunting and gathering
it is genetics, I think we are stupid if we tamper with that
I don't oppress women personally, I find the stereotyping offensive
FFS
youse guys ought to be ashamed
poor lassie is making a case for what can only be seen as a just cause against a ridiculously out of touch patriarchy.
A system which sent millions (of men btw) to their death in northern europe not 2 years later
To quote roddy frame of aztec camera
'why should it take, the tears of a woman, to show how men are?'
youse guys ought to be ashamed
poor lassie is making a case for what can only be seen as a just cause against a ridiculously out of touch patriarchy.
A system which sent millions (of men btw) to their death in northern europe not 2 years later
To quote roddy frame of aztec camera
'why should it take, the tears of a woman, to show how men are?'
Ebulgery 21.31 - "It is not men who oppress women, it is nature, women have babies, men do the hunting and gathering it is genetics, I think we are stupid if we tamper with that"
Those thoughts must have been uppermost in the minds of parliament when they granted the vote to women over 30 who met the property ownership criteria.
You are demonstrating that you really are that "stupid".
Those thoughts must have been uppermost in the minds of parliament when they granted the vote to women over 30 who met the property ownership criteria.
You are demonstrating that you really are that "stupid".
If you haven't seen it just fast forward to the last 15 minutes. Rest of it is just filler with Balding looking aghast every few minutes as if she had just rediscovered the wheel. Hardly worth using Balding just for the few seconds of pointless chat round the breakfast table - yes Uncle Willie was about amusing as it got.
Hi Guinness - obvious - wimmin + wimmin issue + horse racing = Cb = obvious (if you have the mindset)
I have no problem with the bias on here, just the stupid ignorance of the historical importance of this issue and time.
Hope you are well g2d.
I have no problem with the bias on here, just the stupid ignorance of the historical importance of this issue and time.
Hope you are well g2d.
beautifully done
well done C4 and ms B
she was picked because of her racing background, her femininity and her professionalism
cant think of anyone who would have done it better
C4 are taking racing coverage to a higher level
At long last
Dont know about the rest of you mugs, but I like it
well done C4 and ms B
she was picked because of her racing background, her femininity and her professionalism
cant think of anyone who would have done it better
C4 are taking racing coverage to a higher level
At long last
Dont know about the rest of you mugs, but I like it
Evening blackbarn. I'm well enough mucker, hows you?
I was insinuating CB's affinity with the Royal Germans...
I was insinuating CB's affinity with the Royal Germans...
you should not make personal attacks on me blackbard..it does not advance your argument
We are living in a society where the media feeds to us daily, women are oppressed by men
I see that..
But you see what is happening, women are gradually making society in the way they want it
if and when they succeed, society will be on intolerable for men, in fact men might
as well castrate themselves now, it is the only way men will be able to tolerate it
40 years ago the world was a better place for men than now, 40 years on I hate to think what it will be like for men
As a man, men have to resist women, if they got any sense
just a personal opinion
and surprising yes I have female friend, she is lovely...
although she gets her way a lot more I do.
We are living in a society where the media feeds to us daily, women are oppressed by men
I see that..
But you see what is happening, women are gradually making society in the way they want it
if and when they succeed, society will be on intolerable for men, in fact men might
as well castrate themselves now, it is the only way men will be able to tolerate it
40 years ago the world was a better place for men than now, 40 years on I hate to think what it will be like for men
As a man, men have to resist women, if they got any sense
just a personal opinion
and surprising yes I have female friend, she is lovely...
although she gets her way a lot more I do.
Ebulgery. My "personal attack" consists of stating that your 21.31 paragraph is stupid...
"It is not men who oppress women, it is nature, women have babies, men do the hunting and gathering it is genetics, I think we are stupid if we tamper with that"
For the avoidance of doubt, I regard your statement as irrational per se, and stupid in the context of the subject of this post. For further evidence, I rely entirely on the content of your latest post.
"It is not men who oppress women, it is nature, women have babies, men do the hunting and gathering it is genetics, I think we are stupid if we tamper with that"
For the avoidance of doubt, I regard your statement as irrational per se, and stupid in the context of the subject of this post. For further evidence, I rely entirely on the content of your latest post.
men, quite gallant tbh, might be concerned about the plight of women
but don't ever think women are concerned by the plight of men, they are not
but don't ever think women are concerned by the plight of men, they are not
We all know about the history of the Suffragette's, why the need to have Clare Balding's name in the programme title? It's nothing more than self promoting bs.
it is too deep a subject to argue on here Blackbarn..
but really just calling my post stupid, is I think stupid......
you need to have been about 40 years ago to appreciate the difference
As I am older, it really don't affect me know...
but I genuinely feel sorry for young blokes now, although if they are happy I suppose it is ok
but really just calling my post stupid, is I think stupid......
you need to have been about 40 years ago to appreciate the difference
As I am older, it really don't affect me know...
but I genuinely feel sorry for young blokes now, although if they are happy I suppose it is ok
Ahhh women, the bane of my life..
Can't live with em, can't live with em..
Can't live with em, can't live with em..
The RP did an article on this earlir in the week. They gave a potted history of the achievements of women in UK politics; first woman to take her seat in the House of Commons, first woman cabinet minister, first woman PM etc.
They had no mention of the first woman MP. Did Ms Balding mention Constance Markievicz, the first woman MP?
They had no mention of the first woman MP. Did Ms Balding mention Constance Markievicz, the first woman MP?
Ebulgery. Thanks for the reply, I do not use the term "stupid" lightly, and I did explain my rationale. You have said nothing since that dispels my view, and I am not sure that being "old" is a simple defence for your view - I am hardly young at 61.
Ahhh women, the bane of my life..
Can't live with em, can't live with em..
unfortunately true guinness
I can say nothing more to you blackbarn, because you are in the wrong....
I actually think it was sensible women did not have the vote myself
getting back to the subject
but it would take a lot of argument which one can't do on here
Can't live with em, can't live with em..
unfortunately true guinness
I can say nothing more to you blackbarn, because you are in the wrong....
I actually think it was sensible women did not have the vote myself
getting back to the subject
but it would take a lot of argument which one can't do on here
it is not about equality, it is about roles you see
men and women are not interchangeable
men and women are not interchangeable
Next week : "Clare Balding's Masada" - Clare investigates the Jewish Diaspora and what it means for today's lesbians caught in the crossfire of the ongoing Middle East conflict. Meanwhile, over a mixed grill and cooking sherry, Uncle Willie Huntingdon offers a possible solution to the problems posed by the Arab Spring, much to the dismay of Ian Balding, Andrew Balding, and a Toby Balding lookalike.
Thanks Ebulgery - silly to think you cant have a "lot of argument" on here!. Any basis for this view? Hasn't seemed to have stopped you on other threads.
Your masterpiece "I can say nothing more to you blackbarn, because you are in the wrong" is a great closing line. If I lose an argument in the future, I will definitely use this.
Night night..
Your masterpiece "I can say nothing more to you blackbarn, because you are in the wrong" is a great closing line. If I lose an argument in the future, I will definitely use this.
Night night..
night night
My argument against giving to much power to women:
They are seeking to make our world TOO SAFE, this will harm us long term
there must always be risk....this is also affecting our politics, adversely
Why are they doing it..now. Because they see men's life as easy (because of technology)
they can do it themselves... the pill has freed them from their own job of child bearing
In the past where being a men meant fighting in wars using things like sword and axe hacking one another to pieces
and when men's work generally involved very long hours of arduous physical labour.
The did not really want the job.
There is no right or wrong here. It is simply a power struggle. As a man I am going
to stick to men's side
As for Balding...she is a feminist...the worst kind of women in my opinion..
so definitely an enemy.
As for criticism of Balding's private life..well she has sold it across the media for personal publicity and profit..
so it is now in the public domain..so I have the right to criticise it. Had she kept it private I would not have
yes I do argue a lot
I believe in getting my £2 pound's worth
My argument against giving to much power to women:
They are seeking to make our world TOO SAFE, this will harm us long term
there must always be risk....this is also affecting our politics, adversely
Why are they doing it..now. Because they see men's life as easy (because of technology)
they can do it themselves... the pill has freed them from their own job of child bearing
In the past where being a men meant fighting in wars using things like sword and axe hacking one another to pieces
and when men's work generally involved very long hours of arduous physical labour.
The did not really want the job.
There is no right or wrong here. It is simply a power struggle. As a man I am going
to stick to men's side
As for Balding...she is a feminist...the worst kind of women in my opinion..
so definitely an enemy.
As for criticism of Balding's private life..well she has sold it across the media for personal publicity and profit..
so it is now in the public domain..so I have the right to criticise it. Had she kept it private I would not have
yes I do argue a lot
I believe in getting my £2 pound's worth
In the past where being a men meant fighting in wars using things like sword and axe hacking one another to pieces
and when men's work generally involved very long hours of arduous physical labour.
The did not really want the job.
I can think of one of my exes who would have loved it..
and when men's work generally involved very long hours of arduous physical labour.
The did not really want the job.
I can think of one of my exes who would have loved it..
I think the world would be a better place if it were ruled by women.
It might well be, but i wouldn't want to shág any of em..
why the need to have Clare Balding's name in the programme title? It's nothing more than self promoting bs.
Absolutely on the money, though in Clare's mind, no one would know anything about the Suffragettes until she was good enough to 'educate' them...
Absolutely on the money, though in Clare's mind, no one would know anything about the Suffragettes until she was good enough to 'educate' them...
Perhaps C4 plan a series of programmes like this where Claire educates us all, hence CB`s .....
a bit like Louis Theroux?
a bit like Louis Theroux?
If you are going to get Clare to do it the why not add her name. It wouldn't put me off and may encourage others. It wasn't a scam or hype and I genuinely found it interesting. I was put off by the gasps of surprise though. She obviously knew what was coming and that did come over as being rather stage managed.
I don`t doubt for one minute brigust, that by adding her name to the title drew in many extra viewers.
I collect racing books and I can assure you that her book wouldn`t get book shelf, having read the serialisation on here, which was provided by AD.
I don`t doubt for one minute brigust, that by adding her name to the title drew in many extra viewers.
The Mighty Mac, I would suggest it would also put off a lot of people who don't enjoy being patronised, lectured and condescended to by some jumped up, silver spooned, Home Counties elitist with not even one foot in the real world...
The Mighty Mac, I would suggest it would also put off a lot of people who don't enjoy being patronised, lectured and condescended to by some jumped up, silver spooned, Home Counties elitist with not even one foot in the real world...
Me too The Mighty Mac - would have watched it otherwise...
Looking forward to Clare Balding's 'Secrets of the Clare Balding sufferers'
I was a fan of Claire Balding when she got Don't Cry into 4th place in a 17 runner handicap at Newcastle on 2/11/93. I backed it EW at 66/1. The horse carried 7-3!!!
She does a lot of TV presenting, apparently.
She does a lot of TV presenting, apparently.
Be honest. How many of you would have watched the programme if Clare Balding's name had not been attached to the title?
I may well have. A "celebrity" name in any programme puts me off watching it.
Anyway Professor Alice Roberts
was on the other side. 
Anyway Professor Alice Roberts
was on the other side.
Why didn't they just title it "The Clare Balding Show" ?
The programme was interesting and thought-provoking, especially the enhanced footage from the camera angles.
However, the language was a bit clunky in places (the Derby was not, "stopped in its tracks," and it would be more natural to say Davison "ducked" or "slipped herself" rather than "climbed" under the rail, to take two examples from the introduction. Balding is an English graduate and a professional journalist, so it is hardly unreasonable to expect more care to be taken with her words.
More irritating was the hackneyed device of presenter on a journey of discovery from initial ignorance to final revelation, but the telly professionals think that is what we need.
The experts Clare interviewed were informative but some non-experts were a waste of footage. The woman who suggested the return ticket might have been the only ticket on sale, for instance: find out; research; don't guess.
The programme seemed slightly padded but also, paradoxically, rushed. The final conclusions -- that Davison was carefully positioned to pick out the King's horse, Anmer, to which she intended to attach a "Votes for Women" scarf, at a point on the course in full view of the newsreel cameras, but was crushed when the horse tried to jump her and fell -- were packed into the last few minutes because so much time had been wasted earlier.
However, the language was a bit clunky in places (the Derby was not, "stopped in its tracks," and it would be more natural to say Davison "ducked" or "slipped herself" rather than "climbed" under the rail, to take two examples from the introduction. Balding is an English graduate and a professional journalist, so it is hardly unreasonable to expect more care to be taken with her words.
More irritating was the hackneyed device of presenter on a journey of discovery from initial ignorance to final revelation, but the telly professionals think that is what we need.
The experts Clare interviewed were informative but some non-experts were a waste of footage. The woman who suggested the return ticket might have been the only ticket on sale, for instance: find out; research; don't guess.
The programme seemed slightly padded but also, paradoxically, rushed. The final conclusions -- that Davison was carefully positioned to pick out the King's horse, Anmer, to which she intended to attach a "Votes for Women" scarf, at a point on the course in full view of the newsreel cameras, but was crushed when the horse tried to jump her and fell -- were packed into the last few minutes because so much time had been wasted earlier.
Not a terrible programme by any stretch, slickly produced and mildly informative. But it was also another example of how acutely the celebrity virus has infected modern television production, where the topic under investigation often becomes subsumed by the ego of the person presenting it. In the old days presenters tried their best to meld into the background, they'd have made a show like this without having to show Clare Balding on screen at all, although that in fairness would have left about 20 minutes of screen time.
NOt sure whether i'd blame the programme makers entirely for that though, if you're going to tv executives with plans for expensive shows, unless you have a celebrity on board to drive it, i doubt they'd show any interest. That, for better or worse, is the world we live in nowadays.
Seemed to me that Balding spent at least half the show presenting her own credentials and informing us of the incredible revelations about to unfold and, inevitably, it felt a bit short-changing and anti-climactic in the end
NOt sure whether i'd blame the programme makers entirely for that though, if you're going to tv executives with plans for expensive shows, unless you have a celebrity on board to drive it, i doubt they'd show any interest. That, for better or worse, is the world we live in nowadays.
Seemed to me that Balding spent at least half the show presenting her own credentials and informing us of the incredible revelations about to unfold and, inevitably, it felt a bit short-changing and anti-climactic in the end
I don't necessarily agree with Gent. I think Clare gave the whole programme some credibility. Similarly had they used any other top racing professional it would have been the same. However top female racing professionals are a bit thin on the ground. Plus being of a prominent horse racing background closely related to both the gentry and the Derby mean't it wasn't just some bland presenter handing out facts. It could have been done better but that side of it I completely agree with.
I kid ye not, you lot are being brainwashed
Just read on digi text today. Shops who sell magazines showing naked and semi naked
images of women could face legal action, as requiring staff to handle them could amount
to sexual discrimination or discrimination, so no more girly magazines.
One day men will sincerely regret they ever gave women the vote.
Balding, a feminist, definitely the enemy here.
and she looks like an 'old boot' I cant see the attraction myself
men are being far too 'fair and noble for their own good'
just a personal opinion
Just read on digi text today. Shops who sell magazines showing naked and semi naked
images of women could face legal action, as requiring staff to handle them could amount
to sexual discrimination or discrimination, so no more girly magazines.
One day men will sincerely regret they ever gave women the vote.
Balding, a feminist, definitely the enemy here.
and she looks like an 'old boot' I cant see the attraction myself
men are being far too 'fair and noble for their own good'
just a personal opinion
and we have had women on Ch4 racing for years anyway
could you actually Balding that
could you actually Balding that
You and my ex would get on like a house on fire, ebulGery (literally)
Fortunately i was unaware this programme was being aired on the television.
Therefore my ignorance regarding this debate as to whether Miss Balding enhanced, enlightened, assisted or butchered the essence of the programme is one of a non viewer. However due to the forceful, large scoping patronising manner of Miss Balding`s technique in front of the camera, perhaps my perception of what i would have observed as a viewer still holds much in common with an actual viewer.
Therefore my ignorance regarding this debate as to whether Miss Balding enhanced, enlightened, assisted or butchered the essence of the programme is one of a non viewer. However due to the forceful, large scoping patronising manner of Miss Balding`s technique in front of the camera, perhaps my perception of what i would have observed as a viewer still holds much in common with an actual viewer.
You and my ex would get on like a house on fire, ebulGery (literally)
probably guinness
I have had enough troubles of my own in that direction
I now stick to being a keyboard warrior on here..it is a darn site safer
probably guinness
I have had enough troubles of my own in that direction
I now stick to being a keyboard warrior on here..it is a darn site safer
Some women have no sense of humour, ebelGery.
I mean what's wrong with going for a pint and returning 4 days later with a big grin on my face?
I even gave her a half eaten pack of fruit polos as well
I mean what's wrong with going for a pint and returning 4 days later with a big grin on my face?
I even gave her a half eaten pack of fruit polos as well
Mine had a birthday last wk.................she said "Id like to go out for a meal"
I said "You talk to me as if im stopping yer"
I said "You talk to me as if im stopping yer"
Done a fine job with a documentary on the BBC tonight.If you like we will give you back Tracey Piggot and give us Clare in return....
Balding was captain of the debate team at her exlusive boarding school, and president of the debate society of Cambridge, you dont become those things unless you have a domineering personalty?, must have killed her to have to work with Willie "brain of a rocking horse" Carson?
Nothing Balding enjoys more than a bit of reminding us all of our places when it comes to the Royal Family.
Co-incidentally, her brother trains for the Queen, her uncle is a Lord, and her mother has 'the honourable' prefix at the beginning of her name...
Co-incidentally, her brother trains for the Queen, her uncle is a Lord, and her mother has 'the honourable' prefix at the beginning of her name...
familiarity breeds contempt and Ms Balding is far too familiar
makes me wanna vomit frankly the way she tells the audience how to think, there;s an agenda behind everything she says and does
her and Danny Boyle rancid case of double standards
tolerant of anything, any behaviour, any values... except those whose view is perpendicular to theirs
then they will piss on you, crush you like an ant for the temerity of holding different views
makes me wanna vomit frankly the way she tells the audience how to think, there;s an agenda behind everything she says and does
her and Danny Boyle rancid case of double standards
tolerant of anything, any behaviour, any values... except those whose view is perpendicular to theirs
then they will piss on you, crush you like an ant for the temerity of holding different views
@millhouse -- hard to make a documentary about the Queen's racehorses without mentioning the Royal Family.
Just watched the Queen's Horses back. Enjoyed it more than the suffragette programme although anyone else have preferred to see the 1974 documentary instead? I doubt the presenter of that programme appeared on camera every few seconds.
Otoh, I liked the suffragettes but not the Queen's Horses which struck me as being a generic horsey programme with random shots of HM inserted to justify the title.
Ramruma, it's all the 'Her Majesty is so knowledgeable she would be running Coolmore if she wasn't so busy being the Queen' nonsense that makes me want to vomit.
We're obviously all used to Balding condescending to us all as if we had the mental age of 30 seconds, but patronising the Queen really takes some doing, imo...
We're obviously all used to Balding condescending to us all as if we had the mental age of 30 seconds, but patronising the Queen really takes some doing, imo...
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