thought she was going to win  approaching the final furlong but she did not pick up today as she usually does maybe the short right hand finish did not suit  dont give up on her yet

So apparently easygold Just The Judge must also not get a middle either despite a narrow defeat and a win in a couple of mile classics seeing as there was little in it between the two of them today.

I've already mentioned how and why Maureen was ridden much closer to the pace today so maybe that was a factor considering she's been held up in all of her previous races but that's when she was meeting trouble in running and with today's field being the largest she's competed in with 17 runners in it then would being held up once more make that more or less likely to happen again? She gets the mile fine but was just beaten by better fillies on the day considering she has only ever tried it at the very highest level with 4 Gr1 runs at her only tries at the trip.

She may well win a soft one over a mile, be it a Gr1 with lesser rivals than those she has met so far or dropping to Gr2/3 and that would confirm to me she gets the mile fine considering she beat more home than were in front of her today but maybe isn't quite up to winning a Gr1 agaisnt the very best at that trip.

My previous comments regarding both the English and Irish 1000gens were that she was unlucky in her runs to meet traffic problems, so are you telling that wasn't the case and she got a dream run in both but just didn't get home because if so then I'd politely suggest it's not me with the race reading problems here?

Oops, that should have read Just The Judge didn't get a mile either.

Interesting to that the Racing Post comments on Maureen's previous two races being the English and Irish 1000gns states:

English 1000gns - Steadied after start, held up in last quartet, not clear run over 2f out, still only 11th when ridden well over 1f out

Where in that race she was around 4½L behind Just The Judge.

Irish 1000gns - Held up in rear of mid-division, not much room under 2f out and soon switched left, kept on into never nearer 6th near finish

Where she was 5L behind Just The Judge, whereas today she raced up with the pace and despite again briefly looking like she might not get a run she was only 1½L behind Just The Judge. All which tells me that JTJ is a better filly than Maureen, just as Sky Lantern is a better filly than JTJ but you don't hear any claims saying JTJ doesn't get a mile and add to that there were also 5 fillies behind Maureen in today's race that were previous mile winners so do they all not get the trip either?

Racing Post what do them guys know..... they can`t race read either,

Yes but getting beaten in a Gr1 miles by better filles doesn't mean you don't get a mile easygold, which was my point about Just The Judge and the main reason people such as yourself are saying Maureen doesn't get a mile and JTJ does is that Maureen hasn't won at the trip and JTJ has, although JTJ has only done so when a better filly than her in Sky Lantern has not been a rival.

Likewise Maureen hasn't won at a mile when those same better fillies have been in opposition but that's not the same as saying she doesn't get a mile and that's not the reason Sky Lantern and JTS finish in front of her, they do so because they are better fillies than here, which probably goes some way to explain why Hughes chose the one that he did today.

I'm saying Gr2 or Gr3 in much the same way as you are saying "She may win a soft race over a mile, but not a strong one" so what's the difference there other than you saying she doesn't get a mile and me saying she does? Was that you covering all bases by any chance just in case? I think we are both in agreement that Maureen won't win a strong Gr1 it's just that we have different reasons for holding those views.

Sorry I'm not trying to be rude here but is it really that difficult to understand that the very reason I'm mention other horses such as Just The Judge is because nobody is saying she doesn't get a mile but are doing so regarding Maureen when there was so little difference between them today once Maureen got a reasonable run and didn't meet problems and I'd even offer the opinion that in a smaller filed of lets say single figures that even with the better fillies still in the race, she probably wouldn't have been ridden as handily as she was today due to fear of also not getting a run, which would probably have ended up with her timing her delaying her finish and getting closer to the principles.

I haven't ever disagreed that she isn't up to winning a Gr1 level at a mile with certain other opponents in the race, I've just pointed out you think the reason she gets beaten at that level is because she doesn't get the mile whereas I think she does but has just been beaten by better fillies than her. I too can think of 2-3 fillies that will bet her over a mile and today's 3 would be the ones and I'm afraid you can't yet tell me I'm wrong for thinking she could win a Gr1 mile race without those 2 horses in the race because she never run in one without them. Plus I don't think I've ever said she would, just that she maybe could but my main argument all along is that I didn't think it was conclusive that she didn't stay a mile based on the circumstances of previous runs.