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Impressed with Sir Henry keeping shtum when he has a chance to sneer at Mr goody sheik shoes
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That lot above is a total load of bollox.Nobody gives a flying fukc about what happened.
Apart from job prospects for 3 people...............Newmarket could not give a monkeys......nor the wider world. FACT |
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Gay Kelleway, who is based at Exning on Newmarket's northern edge, says: "I'm astonished, a big stable, big operation like that. It's hard enough to beat them when they're not on anything. They're the most expensive, richest horses in the world. What chance have we got, little trainers?"
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Michael Bell, one of Newmarket's Derby-winning trainers, is based at Fitzroy House, just behind the High Street. "The home-bred trainers are acutely aware of what drugs are legal and illegal
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Pity some of em arent aware that horses should be running on their merits while achieving handicap marks....
Never saw many of Zarooni's hooked up out the back in maidens...... 50% roi on debutants..... |
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While steroids can pass through a horse's system in a short time, the benefit derived from them may last for much longer, Berry says. A horse could spend months in a pre-training yard, getting daily doses of steroids, and the BHA would be unable to prove it because such yards are unlicensed and their testers have no right to enter them. Horses are only required to be in a licensed yard for a fortnight before racing.
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But Berry then gets defensive and says the benefits can be just as much a hindrance rather than a benefit?, well considering the Aussies think steroid use is almost an essential part of training horses suggests the complete opposite?
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Spot on GB.............the UK at the cutting edge?
Waynkers imo......I do not condone the use of any artificial stimulant/enhancer.............but PAUL BITTAR is crawling too far up their arses to be objective. |
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BHA must summon Sheikh Mohammed to answer questions over how his drug-hit stable Godolphin is run
Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has put a lot of roofs over a lot of heads, so you can understand the fear in the sport that this week’s doping scandal involving 15 of his horses might end with the game’s most powerful owner abandoning British racing. BHA must take its biggest gamble and summon Sheikh Mohammed to answer questions over how his drug-hit stable Godolphin is run By Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer telegraph.co.uk 10:00PM BST 27 Apr 2013 The names were beautiful, the crime was ugly. Desert Blossom, Fair Hill, Ghostflower, Orkney Island, Sweet Rose, and Valley Of Queens were among the animals who tested positive for two steroids administered by Mahmood Al Zarooni, one of the Sheikh’s two big Newmarket trainers, who was warned off on Thursday by the British Horseracing Authority for eight years and now faces the wrath of Dubai, where the Godolphin operation was supposed to advertise the virility of the oil-state run by the Maktoums. As the inquest into racing’s greatest doping scandal widens, the BHA must take its biggest gamble and summon the Sheikh himself to answer questions about how his vast racing team is run. The BHA say they will “meet” him but have no plans to “interview” him. As Al Zarooni’s employer and the owner of Moulton Paddocks Stables, where the needles were used, the Sheikh has a duty to do more than issue condemnatory statements from Dubai. In an interview last year with Geoffrey Riddle for The National, a United Arab Emirates-based newspaper, Al Zarooni said of Sheikh Mohammed: “He’s my master. He’s the one telling me to do this, this, this. He calls me daily, nearly. He must be so busy. He runs a whole country, but often he comes here to watch the gallops, sometimes for morning and evening lots. “It is his idea how to work the horses. What they do exactly, what pace they go and over which distances they run. He tells me: ‘Mahmood feed that horse this, or this horse doesn’t look too good’, and so on.” Clearly no complicity in doping is implied but the owner’s evidence on how Al Zarooni’s yard was run would be valuable. The Shiekh’s official expression of anger and disgust at the nefarious deeds of an employee he elevated to the big time has not solved the mystery of why Al Zarooni resorted to cheating with such blue-blooded thoroughbreds, how long the injections were going on for, or who else in the Godolphin operation knew Britain’s “zero tolerance” rules were being flouted. In crisis mode, and with the Sheikh’s reputation tarnished, Godolphin on Saturday avoided the obvious temptation to claim the problem had been cleared up by Al Zarooni’s removal. Simon Crisford, the Sheikh’s right-hand man, who has taken the blame for recommending Al Zarooni, flew to Dubai to meet his employer promising to “flush out any, any bit of corruption from the core. It has to go, we have to know the truth and we will get to the bottom of it.” The speed of Al Zarooni’s arraignment suggested to some that a quick show trial might be staged to protect Sheikh Mohammed’s dignity, while other conspirators sank into the background on Newmarket Heath, where 450 Godolphin horses are divided between Al Zarooni - whose yard is now in lock-down for testing of every inmate - and Saeed bin Surror. The scale of the Maktoum investment in British racing is such that a withdrawal by Sheikh Mohammed would devastate not only Newmarket but the top echelons of the sport, which is dominated by the big Arab owners and the so-called ‘Coolmore mafia’ in Ireland. But the BHA, encouragingly, does not consider the scandal closed. At Thursday’s hearing it emerged that two foremen and a veterinary assistant were also involved, whether unwittingly or not. This narrative requires proper investigation with cross-examination for the BHA to determine who should face further charges and who inside the Godolphin set-up should no longer be employed. Paul Bittar, the BHA chief executive, said: “Some of the investigations are on-going. The vet’s assistant who has been mentioned is a nebulous term in a way as he’s not really a vet at all, he just simply assists, but he’s not captured under the rules. The interviews with the foremen are on-going but because of Al Zarooni having responsibility for the horses we needed to deal with him first. “We asked Al Zarooni if he’d ever administered steroids before and he said he hasn’t. Both his yard and Saeed bin Suroor’s have been tested before and all those results came back negative. The investigation is not complete and whether the evidence brings about further charges I couldn’t comment, it’s wherever the evidence takes us.” Focus also shifts now to the 600-700 out of competition tests conducted each year on the 20,000 horses registered in training. Although 7,182 raceday samples were taken last year, the Al Zarooni case throws up the nightmare scenario of widespread performance-enhancing drug use in the training process, which would be consistent with other sports such as cycling and athletics. If a top stable packed with designer bloodstock can feel the need to cheat, what is the likelihood of illegal chemicals being used at smaller, struggling yards? Godolphin’s change in attitude as the week wore on displayed a growing awareness of what will be needed to cleanse the Augean stables. Crisford began by saying: “This is an isolated incident at the hands of a reckless person who has shown no respect for horse racing in this country. The vet’s assistant had no idea what he was injecting. He had a direct order from the trainer. Everybody knows that you can’t use steroids in England. “I represent the owner’s best interests. Of course, one of my responsibilities is to oversee the trainers in Godolphin, but I cannot be involved in a day-to-day business about what kind of medication these trainers are using. I recommended the appointment of Mahmood and today that has proved to be very poor judgment.” As the contagion spread, and his own indignation increased, Crisford talked of “flushing out corruption”. When all the facts are known, Godolphin will ask themselves how a trainer could import steroids from Dubai and illegally inject the winter favourite for the 1,000 Guineas without anyone in senior management knowing. The bloodletting could be intense. “When his horses failed the tests for painkillers last year, we sat down with him and told him he had to keep his records maintained in a much more efficient manner,” Crisford said of Al Zarooni. “I had lengthy conversations with him about that but I’m afraid he’s betrayed the trust we put in him and he’s let everybody down, not only Godolphin but the British public, too. “We’ll have nothing to do with him again and I have no sympathy for him. It will take a long time to recover from this, but Sheikh Mohammed will make sure everything is done and that the stable is 100 per cent clean before any horses get transferred to any other stables. I haven’t considered my position because I’ve been told to clear this mess up and that’s what I’ll be doing.” Bittar says: “British racing should be really proud that there is zero tolerance here as far as anabolic steroids are concerned. I look to Australia and think it’s anomalous that they take such a view of athletes using performance-enhancing drugs but think it’s OK to use them on horses.” This commendable policy showed British racing in a good light, but the final step would be the most risky: summoning Sheikh Mohammed himself to be interviewed about the cheating in his empire. |
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crisford said, the vets assistant had no idea what he was injecting,he had a direct order from the trainer
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Some questions that crossed my mind about this episode. Why would a any trainer in his position do what he did?. Plenty of cash working for the biggest operation in the world in fantastic stables,with the chance of training the most expensive and highest quality race horses in the world.Do Godolphin trainers feel pressure from there employer too perform? or is this the done thing,something they are indeed expected too do?. and how many other trainers of say 2yrlds administer drugs to improve there growth rate with intent too be sold early in there career too the likes of the Godolphin operation for monetary gain? These questions bring a depressing picture in my mind that i dont think will be answered or indeed put right!
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"Everyone's very disappointed that such a big outfit has been caught," says Rae Guest
Telling quote from Mr Guest, especially the use of the word "caught" |
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Aberdonia - yes my thoughts exactly.
Also it seems to me that just possibly it is quite common for horses to receive the banned substances whilst staying in the pre - training yards and the trainers wait until the horse is in the clear before moving it to the main yard a couple of weeks before it`s next race. |
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Quite a few trainers seem to be quoted about "getting caught" or similar, which would appear to indicate that the practice is widespread.
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They're all at it - if they weren't Al Z would have been achieving stellar results
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yuup!
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AT hit the nail on the head, its all about keeping up with the Joneses, as Rae Guest says how unfortunate for Al that he got caught?.
Al Zarooni should've sent his horses to the Welsh valleys for the winter, remarkable what that Welsh air does for horses?, could turn a pack mule into a Cheltenham festival or Royal Ascot contender within weeks. |
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Bittar - “We asked Al Zarooni if he’d ever administered steroids before and he said he hasn’t.
Is this believable? Zarooni says he didn't know use of steroids was against British rules. Yet it's pretty obvious he used them in Dubai (where they are allowed) .... and expects us to believe there has been a near 2 year hiatus since leaving Dubai and arriving in Britain where he hasn't used them until this spring apparently..... even though he claims he thought use of steroids was within the rules? It doesn't add up. Zarooni taking the rap for others. |
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As every day goes by more questions need to be asked. It's definitely 1.01 more then the trainer and a few others knew what was going on. A vet that wasn't a vet? A trainer that doesn't know how to inject a horse. Nah not buying it he done it off his own back.
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What I found surprising was when Simon Crisford said Al Z gave 2 of his horses the injection when he knew the testers were coming. How did he know the testers were coming? Do they have a tip off?
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^ If he didn't do it off his own back to impress his boss and win some big races, so others knew what was going on, but how high does it go ? (biggest surprise at the moment is that Crisford has still got his job !)
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@Tell Del -- how high does it go ? (biggest surprise at the moment is that Crisford has still got his job !)
I doubt it goes higher than Al Zarooni, given his better results than SBS. But really, Crisford should go because (a) it happened on his watch, and (b) he seems to have been unconcerned and uninquisitive about the different success rates at the two yards. |
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Since 2010 in GB,
Zarooni, 194 winners from 1101 runners (17.6%), for 44.23 LSP (+4.0%) Bin Suroor, 234 from 1220 (19.2%) for 188.23 loss (-15.4%) Bin Suroor has bigger percentage of winners, but Al Zarooni has bigger priced winners. Though the latter's profit was due to +120.48 pts in 2011 when had 20% strike rate. If Al Zarooni was using steroids before now, they were working in 2011, but didn't in 2012 (or maybe he stopped or wasn't using them then) |
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As an Arab it is still a master servant relationship and could not have been done on his own.
This needed an inspection of all the stables under the same control of the master. |
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Crisford should resign or if not Sheikh Mohammed must remove him for Godolphin to
regain any trust in the future. Crisford must have been close to Zarooni at some point to recommend him for the trainers job and knew his work methods. Admitting that he knew Zarooni's horse medical records were not accurate should have sent alarm bells ringing. I think in his heart of hearts he knew things were not right but because Zarooni was the up and coming trainer for Godolphin turned a blind eye. He had a job to do and let his employer down |
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The day Encke won the St Leger
For Godolphin it was a welcome Group One win in a below-par season. "This is our sixth victory in the race and this one is right up with the best of those," said Godolphin racing manager Simon Crisford. "We didn't think we would win. We thought we could get a piece of the pie. However, Mikael rode him beautifully and gelled brilliantly with the horse." Trainer Mahmood Al-Zarooni was a bit perplexed at winning the race on his third attempt with an outsider. "The last two years I have come here with the favourites and not won and now I come with an outsider and I succeed. Very odd," he said. |
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Not 'very odd' now that we know what they were up to.
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the fact an old stager like opinion poll with his form in lights for all to see over 4 or 5 seasons was injected,must mean every horse in the yard injected
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the fact an old stager like opinion poll with his form in lights for all to see over 4 or 5 seasons was injected,must mean every horse in the yard injected
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You can say that again.
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most disapointed in timeform jims remarks that their results didnt seem to indicate they were getting more than their fair share of winners,
how does he no that there wernt 40 ,50 horses finishing 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th whatever deprieving small honest trainers of prizemoney |
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Can only presume Al Z's a crap trainer or the bloodstock is poor - as even on steroids his horses weren't outstanding. That or everyone's using drugs and he was just unlucky to get caught.
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Godolphin will take their time to replace disgraced trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni
Godolphin are in no hurry to appoint a new trainer to take over at Moulton Paddocks according to Simon Crisford, the racing stable’s manager, on his return to Newmarket following crisis talks with Sheikh Mohammed in Dubai in the wake of the Mahmood Al Zarooni doping scandal. By HOTSPUR (J A McGrath) 10:00PM BST 28 Apr 2013 telegraph.co.uk British Horseracing Authority officials indicated that a new appointment needed to be made within the next 10 days for the yard to remain active as a licensed training stable, but Crisford said that was currently a low priority, as far as Godolphin was concerned. “Sheikh Mohammed has ordered a lockdown at Moulton Paddocks and it doesn’t matter if those horses don’t race again this season. His priority is to see that it is clean of drugs. The testing will take place this week. There is no rush to appoint anybody to train there at present,” Crisford said on Sunday. “As far as we could see, the yard became inoperative when Mahmood Al Zarooni was banned and his licence was cancelled.” The embarrassment of the case, in which Al Zarooni administering outlawed anabolic steroids to 15 horses in his care as one of Godolphin’s two licensed trainers, has clearly outraged Sheikh Mohammed. After meeting with Crisford, he reaffirmed his determination to re-establish Godolphin as a respected global racing stable. “What Sheikh Mohammed has stressed to me is the need to clean up this mess as quickly as possible,” Crisford said. With over 135 horses residing in Moulton Paddocks now ticking over, but not racing, it will leave the Godolphin Newmarket operation running at half-speed. It is entirely possible that generations will miss their juvenile or Classic years because of the disruption caused by their former trainer’s flagrant breach of the rules of Racing. The BHA testing of every horse will commence today. Anabolic steroids are forbidden in Britain – in or out of training – but they are legal in places such as Dubai and Australia, provided they are not in the horse’s system on raceday. Paul Bittar, who has taken a lead on this issue in his role as chief executive of the BHA, has called for harmonisation throughout the racing world on the question of anabolics and other performance-enhancing drugs. It is an anomaly, for example, that some of the best sprinters from Australia can race at Royal Ascot, yet have been administered anabolics when out of training earlier in their careers. It should be stressed that not all horses from Australia will have undergone such treatment prior to racing in Britain. And it raises certain issues in times when international racing has become widespread and popular. Sajjhaa, Godolphin’s runner in Hong Kong on Sunday, could finish only fourth in the Audemar’s Queen Elizabeth II Cup at Sha Tin, occupying a place in the frame behind the John Moore-trained winner Military Attack |
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Berry knows the game :o
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Why did non of the stable staff report the drug abuse too the Godolphin officials?There would have been a good reward in it for them? or maybe not?
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Many should lose there jobs in that stable methinks?
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On that point i think it best the investigating body should interview the stable staff(before the dubai mafia pay them off?)
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The stable staff would not necessarily know what was going on.
As I said earlier, and much more importantly I think, Simon Crisford said in his interview that Al Zarooni gave 2 horses injections when he knew the inspectors were coming. 1)How did he know they were coming? 2)Do the trainers get a tip off? 3)Why didn't anyone ask Crisford how AZ knew they were coming? If the BHA tip off trainers about an impending inspector visit then it destroys they whole idea of tests. |