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Luckybutdumb
21 Apr 13 15:12
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Hi the brother of a friend of mine passed away last year and in amongst his collection of old racing books was this photo. We think we can identify Richard Hannon snr, Frankie Durr and Greville Starkey but would welcome it if any of the community can identify any of the others in the photo. The gentleman who passed away lived all his life in Salisbury so we assume the photo was taken in a pub in Salisbury, perhaps sometime in the last 60's or early 70's.

Your help would be very much appreciated.
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Report ged April 21, 2013 3:21 PM BST
The woman sat on poor Greville's knee looks like Toby Balding.
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 4:56 PM BST
Joe MERCER - Middle row - over Richard Hannon's right shoulder - and the old man's left shoulder

Willie CARSON ? - bottom left, front row - with the woman's arm around him.

Know the face of the guy over Hannon's left shoulder - bu cannot put a name to him.
Likewise top row middle.

* I wonder if the old man is a retired trainer - celebrating a Golden/Diamond Wedding, or something similar
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 5:15 PM BST
Top middle -

National Hunt jockey - Richard LINLEY
Report motley01 April 21, 2013 5:24 PM BST
Likes like Phillip Robinson, or J. Seagrave?
Report ekbalko April 21, 2013 5:26 PM BST
He must have long knees gedExcitedLaugh
Report motley01 April 21, 2013 5:28 PM BST
Think that might be Gary Moore on Lindley's left.
Report 11kv April 21, 2013 5:33 PM BST
mailto:office@richardhannonracing.co.uk


Send it too him see if he remembers it ?
Report Luckybutdumb April 21, 2013 5:34 PM BST
Did email to Mr Hannon but no response. I think Motley is spot on with Gary Moore. Thanks for all your responses.
Report Luckybutdumb April 21, 2013 5:36 PM BST
Also think onlooker is right with Richard Linley.
Report 11kv April 21, 2013 5:37 PM BST
Ah right thought he might have found time to reply oh well..........
Report 11kv April 21, 2013 5:39 PM BST
Pat Eddery top right ?
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 5:42 PM BST
^ No - Pat Eddery only an Apprentice when this photo was taken
Report Luckybutdumb April 21, 2013 5:44 PM BST
Joe Mercer seems right Onlooker and it could well be Pat Eddry 11KV
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 5:46 PM BST
Luckybutdumb -

I am going Nap on my Joe MERCER answer - above Hannon's right shoulder
Report 11kv April 21, 2013 5:50 PM BST
Onlooker prob right about Pat he was born in 52 so maybe the fella in the photo is a bit older....
Report Luckybutdumb April 21, 2013 5:56 PM BST
Oh I thought you meant Joe Mercer was on the far left behind the lady on Greville's knee!
Report chorkie-dad April 21, 2013 5:57 PM BST
Jeff King top left
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 5:59 PM BST
If Greville is bottom left - which it looks quite probable ....

Who is the Greville Starkey lookalike above him - Middle left?
Report ekbalko April 21, 2013 6:27 PM BST
Is Greville Starkey not the one behind Richard Hannon?
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 6:56 PM BST
^ 'Never in million'

Greville Starkey is bottom left (as you look at the Photo) - or a long-shot Carson.
Report 11kv April 21, 2013 7:08 PM BST
Report ally pally April 21, 2013 7:30 PM BST
surprised grenvill in front he liked to be brave and be behind
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 8:01 PM BST
The Prince William look-alike  - on the TOP row, partially hidden by Joe Mercer's head.

- One of the SHERWOOD brothers - or a young Kim Bailey.
Report Alices April 21, 2013 9:22 PM BST
The guy top middle could well be right with Richard Linley but also similar to Paul Kelleway,
Report .Fidway. April 21, 2013 9:24 PM BST
the one at the back has a swipe of richard hughes about him. obviously not him though
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 9:26 PM BST
Alices -

Paul Kellaway would have made sure he was stood at the FRONT. Laugh
Report ged April 21, 2013 9:41 PM BST
You could perhaps try the IJF. I'm sure some oldtimers there would know a few and would be glad to help out (particularly if you enclose a cheque!).
Report thebrave April 21, 2013 10:27 PM BST
If Joe Mercer has any involvement with this picture, it can only be the possibility that he took it, because he most certainly is not IN it Crazy Shocked

Grin
Report onlooker April 21, 2013 10:54 PM BST
Who is the Joe MERCER 'Double' then?

Middle row - above Hannon's right shoulder.

SAME Nose - Mouth and receding hariline.
Report blackbarn April 21, 2013 11:07 PM BST
Richard Hannon, Frankie Durr and Richard Linley - I would bet heavily on. I would be a big layer that Greville or Gary Moore appear. Just an observation but the little bloke attempting to breastfeed is probably not Willie Carson.
Report mentalbird April 21, 2013 11:12 PM BST
back row J King, R Linley, A Turnell?
Report squares April 21, 2013 11:35 PM BST
guy at end behind Hannon, someone like John Williams?
Report thebrave April 21, 2013 11:52 PM BST
onlooker - I know the guy on Hannon's right shoulder is the one you believe to be Joe Mercer, but there is MORE chance the geezer on Hannon's left shoulder is Nick Faldo GrinGrin
Report onlooker April 22, 2013 12:22 AM BST
Well that's your OPINION - thebrave.

He even has the same CHIN as Joe Mercer, too.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=joe%20mercer%20jockey&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Report motley01 April 22, 2013 9:53 AM BST
I think you're right brave, that's not J. Mercer, they have completely different hootersShocked
Report Hound-Dog-2 April 22, 2013 11:26 AM BST
would agree and 90% certain back row Jeff King, Linley and a young Andy Turnell. 

I would have said that is Joe Mercer behind Hannon's right shoulder, bit more hair then.

Starkey, Durr, Hannon def. But no idea who the old couple are or the 3 other in pic.
Report reculver April 22, 2013 3:20 PM BST
Back row..Jeff King, R.Linley, A.Turnell, R.Ffrench.?
mid row...T.Stack, F.Durr, J.Mercer, Phillip Waldron?
front... G.Starkey..Mrs Mills?,Arnold Ridley ?..R.Hannon.
Report thebrave April 22, 2013 4:59 PM BST
reculver - R FfrenchShocked Phuck offLaugh Not only was he not born when picture was taken, it's touch and go if his dad was Laugh

If that is Tommy Stack on left of middle row, I'll drop my tweeds in Primark's window on a Saturday afternoonLaughLaughLaugh
Report themightymac April 22, 2013 5:20 PM BST
The elderly couple are Mr & Mrs B Davis and it was a party to celebrate the victory of their horse Mon Fils in the 1973 2000 Guineas. Hannon trained it and Durr rode it.
Report onlooker April 22, 2013 5:27 PM BST
Interesting - mightymac.

Mon Fils was indeed owned by Mrs B Davis.

May we ask - how did you know it was them - and the said celebrations?

Your answer, presumably, not being just an 'educated guess'.
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 7:12 PM BST
Bottom Row      Starkey....?.....?......Hannon
Middle Row      ?......   Durr, Mercer....?
Top Row         ?...... Linley...?........?
Report 11kv April 22, 2013 7:40 PM BST
Report 11kv April 22, 2013 7:40 PM BST
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 7:55 PM BST
Mercer,Carson,...?...,Piggott,Eddery,...?...,..?....,...?...., Cauthen,Shoemaker.

I'm guessing one of the others is Pincay.

Possibly a race day at Sandown ?
Report 11kv April 22, 2013 7:58 PM BST
Very good Mightyfly, 1980 Sandown correct
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 8:04 PM BST
I just about remember the International Jockey Challenge. One of the others maybe Tony Cruz 4th from right.
Report verbotene liebe April 22, 2013 8:05 PM BST
Piggott in Nelson Bunker Hunt colours, probably riding Billion. Mercer looks to be in the Tony Shead colours.
Report verbotene liebe April 22, 2013 8:07 PM BST
Maybe not the Tony Shead colours, just noticed the check cap.
Report 11kv April 22, 2013 8:10 PM BST
Mercer Carson Taylor Piggott Eddery Lafitt Pincay jnr Jorge Valesquez Angel Cordez Cauthen Shoemaker


Found it in my Dads gear a few yrs ago no idea why he had that picture but it was with a few others from Sandown............
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 8:17 PM BST
It was akin to the modern day Shergar Cup, one meeting at Sandown Park,possibly an evening fixture. Only lasted a few years I believe. England v USA.
Report 11kv April 22, 2013 8:20 PM BST
Thanks for the info Mightyfly
Report themightymac April 22, 2013 8:51 PM BST
Onlooker, I know because I took the photo  Crazy
Report onlooker April 22, 2013 9:05 PM BST
Excellent - mightytmac - Thank you.Grin

Now all we need are the missing Jockey's names.
Report themightymac April 22, 2013 9:11 PM BST
You`re welcome mate Grin

What ones are you still to get?
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 9:13 PM BST
These are total longshots. Paul Cook above Greville, middle left. And something is saying Phillip Waldron middle right.
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 9:15 PM BST
Mightymac.

Middle Row, Left and Right

Top Row, all bar Richard Linley.

Cheers.
Report DUNERUNNER April 22, 2013 9:28 PM BST
Jeff King, Richard Linley, Andy Turnell, ?
Ray Still?, Frankie Durr, Joe Mercer, Ron Atkins?
Greville Starkey, Richard Hannon.
Report posy April 22, 2013 9:35 PM BST
brilliant mightymac  ...can you remember location of the party ?do
Report onlooker April 22, 2013 9:35 PM BST
themightymac -

The general consensus is .....

TOP Row - from left to right

> Jeff King > Richard LINLEY (definitely) > Andy Turnell (alt. maybe one of the Sherwood brothers) >  Not known - not necessarily a (Jump) Jockey, even - rather barrel-chested.

MIDDLE Row

> Greville Starkey (has been suggested > Frankie FURR (definitely) > Joe MERCER (one person has disputed - BUT, 90+% very much like Joe) - Not known (John Williams has been  suggested)

FRONT Row

> Greville Starkey suggested (again) - I and another, though, suggest possible Willie Carson > Mrs & Mr Davis > Richard HANNON
Report ged April 22, 2013 9:43 PM BST
Just going back to that international jockey's day at Sandown. It was at one of those where Willie Shoemaker rode a Barry Hills horse (Soaf I think) - that went off at 33/1 because the horse's form was at 7f on firm ground, and that day at Sandown it was in a 5f race on soft. All bar Shoemaker went off too fast and stopped to nothing in the final furlong. Shoemaker came sailing through and won. For a jockey who didn't know the horse, or the track, and had probably never ridden a straight 5 furlongs in his life, I thought it was a fair old demonstration of the little fella's skill.
Report themightymac April 22, 2013 9:44 PM BST
onlooker to begin with, it`s not Joe Mercer but Frank Morby.
Report penzance April 22, 2013 9:52 PM BST
looks like Terry Wogan hosting a farewell
drink up for a tealady at the BBC.
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 9:55 PM BST
Gonna kick ourselves when you tell us middle and top right, as they do look very familiar.
Report ged April 22, 2013 9:57 PM BST
If you go to Mick Channon's website:-

http://www.mickchannon.tv/news.php?archive=YToyOntpOjA7czoxOiI1IjtpOjE7czo0OiIyMDExIjt9

and scroll down to 23 May, there's a pic of Mick with Frank Morby in 2011, with a little about him.
Report johnizere April 22, 2013 10:10 PM BST
Almost 100% sure that's John Williams middle row right end.
Report onlooker April 22, 2013 10:13 PM BST
Blimey - mughtymac

Old JOE must 'have had shivers go down his spine', then ...

When Frank Morby walked into the Weighing Room. Grin
Report mightyfly April 22, 2013 10:15 PM BST
Could be John Williams, with the connection being Toby Balding in the Dress. He did ride Green Ruby for him to win the Stewards Cup in 86.
Report thebrave April 22, 2013 10:51 PM BST
Absolutely staggering how many people thought Joe Mercer Whoops Crazy Confused

Onlooker - I hope I am never in a line-up with you as the chief eye witness Shocked Sad

LaughLaugh
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