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Should NH racing be banned? BBC1 10am
Should NH racing be banned? BBC1 10am
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Paul Nicholls is the kind of person for that debate, he always speaks very intelligently and more importantly would put it across well to Joe Public. Agreed - John Gosden too. Get either of them in front of the antis and they'll soon be reduced to trying to shout them down. |
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My take on the program was different to everyone else on here it would seem.
The antis came over like illogical, hand wringing, over emotional nutters. Whilst excepting that Bob Champion should have been left in his stable munching hay, Lawnie Hill was terrific and basically wiped the floor with the anti brigade. When Campbell tried to open up the debate, the intelligent observers basically couldn't see what there was to concern themselves with, so far down the list of welfare priorities the banning NH racing would appear to be. The fact that no horse died in the National basically took the wind out of the antis' sails. Home win for NH racing, imho. |
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The bbc is reluctant to screen the racing sport from the inside and meet the many trainers, owners, stable staff, course staff and officials and wont even show the national, the countries favourite horse race and yet the beeb is happy to
join forces with those that would be happy to destroy the great culture of horse racing and turn the thourough bred race horse into just another museum display for a dislocated society to gaze at ! |
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The fact that no horse died in the National basically took the wind out of the antis' sails.
Agreed. They must have been gutted when they heard "all of the horses are home safe and sound" announced on C4 yesterday. |
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Any lingering flirtation that I may have had with possibly voting for the Green Party in our local elections was soon stubbed out by that Aussie woman jumping on a potential political band wagon.
Under her stewardship the Greens are likely to see all their recent political gains evaporate without trace. |
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i totally agree loper lawney hill was brilliant the anti brigade had no sensible input just extreme sensationlistic views the animal aid prick had no worthwile input at all in fact i thought he was great for racing
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Even though there were no fatalities yesterday the anti-brigade cannot bring themselves to congratulate Aintree following a successful National. They simply revert to type and say that 2 horses were killed in 2 other races over the 3 days.
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https://twitter.com/bpowell13/status/320836124002103298/photo/1
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Emma Milne said "I think it's wrong to use animals as a part of entertainment" this is the vet from that reality show about vets which obviously used animals, wish someone had pointed that out to her.
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Self-publicist rather than vet.
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AS ive posted before...........
Like all these people that want to stop greyhound racing Phone em up tell em that theve been sucessful.......how bigs yer garden.........how many can you take Theres a bet Id like to have......... |
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the hypocrisy of the BBC knows no bounds..
immediately they lose racing coverage they decide to attack it |
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Emma Milne said "I think it's wrong to use animals as a part of entertainment"...........Probably quite happy to watch some mutt dancing around on its back legs on Britains got no talent
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BBC............Wot abt Elton John David & the baby ?
They havent been on Natonial News for a while............... |
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I usually defend the BBC as I would certainly rather they set the agenda than Rupert Murdoch,but they do seem to be anti-racing. They haven't lost racing in the same way as they lost cricket and formula 1 because the price was too high. They chose to stop televising it.
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it about time the BBC removed the word British from their name, they were quite happy broadcasting racing around the world very recently. Very strange turnaround.
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too many feminists at the BBC
it is why their programes are so poor because they dont have to commercialy justify their programs they can pusue their own agendas at public expense |
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The AR groups are mostly made up of the same crackpots thad did the 3 men and a horse video.
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Anyone that works for the BBC that owns or has got a share in a N/H horse should be named & shamed..........AD will sort it.
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BBC are a bunch of pale pink nutters from top to bottom,every possible minority catered for in their crusade for equality, for every weird and wonderful section of the community, to achieve political correctness.
Note the description "nutters" |
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Thats a protected charateristic you cannot mention it..........
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The debate, if there is one to be had, is whether it's acceptable for animals to be killed and seriously injured, for entertainment.
They may be well treated, while they still have careers, but the reality is that many jumps horses will be killed in action. I absolutely love horse racing, but I find it difficult to defend steeplechasing, even in my own mind. When it goes well it is awesome, but it goes badly too often. |
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Leona has had her say, its all over
https://twitter.com/ leonalewismusic |
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The difficulty is if you ban steeplechasing I would give hurdles five years after that and flat racing in this country maybe another 20. Horses obviously do not die as frequently on the flat but die they do and Deathwatch includes them in their stats with no distinction.
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Bigger things need to be banned in this country than horses doing things their bred to do imvho.................
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Exactly 11kv. We don't hear Animal Aid or the RSPCA calling for a ban on the production of Halal meat which is cruel in the extreme.
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when you say 'if YOU ban racing...'
what you are actually saying is that some politicians will have to have a White Paper presented before parliament, have a consultation on the impact it would have on communities, employment etc and then to get it past the Commons and the Lords I should think it would need to be a manifesto commitment like Labour did with fox hunting and I cannot see that it would be a vote winner (more likely a vote loser) unless Labour tried it in their manifesto Aint ever getting banned |
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Your not refering to teenage pregnancy............
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It's been banned in all but one State in Australia. They don't usually appear to be wimpish.
Very little now in the US. The fact is there are only 3 major NH nations GB,Ireland and France. I specifically said flat racing will be banned in GB. We will be ahead of most unfortunately. Gay marriage would have been an extreme concept 30 years ago when the police were still trolling for victims in public toilets. Now it is supported by a Tory PM. |
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it's a huge industry employing thousands and supporting many more
will be very difficult to get it banned for political reasons unless the three parties get together and agree which is not out of the question but I doubt a single party would independently put it in their manifesto |
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I tend to agree it's unlikely at the moment but it's a lot more popular than it was. It's not helped by extremists on here saying it's all a left-wing conspiracy. A lot who have no real interest will feel if they are for racing it must be wrong.
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you have to think of the impact in the ballot box at an election, there is no way it could be done without being in a manifesto because of the huge economic consequences for hundreds of thousands of people and businesses
only an extreme govt with a large majority could attempt it |
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going back to the notion of choice for the horses, there are two issues i have.
we assign too many human qualities to animals. people will watch black beauty and seabiscuit, and as such will hate you saying this, but horses are big, stupid animals, with tiny brains. the notion of choice does not mean the same to them. much of what they do is based purely on instinct. having said that, they DO have options! i've been on enough refuse to start/refuse a fence horses to realise, if they dont want to, they wont! and no amount of struggling from their 8 stone passenger will make a difference. 2nd, why is not giving an animal a choice such a big deal? we do it many other facets of life, for food production, as pets etc. it only becomes an emotive subject as its got a nationwide billing and gives a mouthpiece to so many organisations. how many people on this show as an 'anti' keep pets, maybe exotic ones way out of their natural habitat, snakes, lizards etc...or has been mantioned, maybe been eating actual horse for the past few years, not giving one thought to where the food on their plate has come from. rank hypocrisy, but you never see it highlighted :( |
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agree bacontrout
your name says where you are coming from  I dont think many chickens end up in KFC buckets out of choice The horses are well treated.... I dont think they are being asked to do something that is against their natural instinct deaths are accidental..but part of it I have no objection to whip free racing myself |
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if we give all animals choice
I think we might ourselves overun with rats  |
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usually defend the BBC as I would certainly rather they set the agenda than Rupert Murdoch,but they do seem to be anti-racing. They haven't lost racing in the same way as they lost cricket and formula 1 because the price was too high. They chose to stop
televising it. If the reason to stop televising racing was taken for reasons other than: 1) It is too expensive 2) Not enough people were watching it I believe this a gross abuse of public money. They are a public television channel. It is ok showing a program against NH racing...because of free speech. But if they are taking a stand against NH racing using public money this is wrong. I am beginning to think the BBC should be made to stand on its own two feet.. and have to compete commercially,,,no public money although I would miss some of still high quality programs they put out on BBC4 |
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acknowledgement Salmon Spray...I forgot
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Agreed bacon the choice arguement always comes up when you raise the fact that all life and sports have risk. The choice arguement is complete and utter crap though, the only arguement is whether the risk is acceptable or not.
For centuries the law and customs of the entire western world has been that domesticated animals are property. Why should race horses all of a sudden be treated different? Most of these people will by the very fact that they buy and own animals be happy with the idea animals can be property and will most likely be appalled at the idea of slavery but they still will try to point to the fact that the jockey has a choice and the horses don't as if it is somehow relevant. One is a human being so gets a choice one is property so doesn't just like all other domesticated animals. They want race horses to have choices because they disagree with it but ignore the fact that they are quite happy with the doctrine of animals being property when it allows them to get the benefits of having a wee baby cat. Totally hypocritical. To a certain extent although Animal Aid are complete nutters at least there insane views are consistent in that they think no animals should be exploited for the benefit of humans where as your typical animals rights RSPCA **** sits there on their leather chair with their smug air of superiority that they are an animal lovers as they blabber on about how racehorses have no choice whilst they have a chicken sandwich and coffee with milk whilst their five cats prance around in the background. |
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The racing fraternity should treat the RSPCA,Animal Aid and BBC as the enemy...for God's sake we are or should be at war with them.Having got hunting banned it's obvious to a blindman they'll go after NH racing,Point to Pointing then flat racing,greyhound racing,fishing and shooting.Unless the BHA and Jockey Club recognise this and fight back the sport is doomed. These gay lefties who run the bbc have an agenda and it's about time it was recognised and dealt with.I absolutely despise the BBC and don't think they should be given a penny of taxpayers money...great shame the IRA never blew them up.
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