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06 Apr 13 16:37
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...the changes have taken a lot away, seemed very tame.
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Report Glossy April 6, 2013 4:40 PM BST
Wasn't there enough carnage for you?
Report Muppetier April 6, 2013 4:41 PM BST
depends if you are wanting to see carnage or a race
Report xmoneyx April 6, 2013 4:42 PM BST
frankel next year
Report CheltenhamRoar April 6, 2013 4:43 PM BST
Not every horse that falls dies you idiots.
They need to reduce the field size not turn the fences into hurdles.
Report salmon spray April 6, 2013 4:43 PM BST
I certainly think Solwhit would have strolled that.
Report saddo April 6, 2013 4:44 PM BST
Only the second jumps race I've seen this year but looked ok to me. If people think the race has changed, best look for a different type of horse.
Report councillor April 6, 2013 4:44 PM BST
Cheltenham, you need to reflect on whose the idiot here mate
Report mange April 6, 2013 4:44 PM BST
Trust that they will now leave it alone before they **** it up completly
Report scara_manga April 6, 2013 4:45 PM BST
Was a much more enjoyable race than last year. All horses home safely too.
Report themover April 6, 2013 4:45 PM BST
will be a bumper soon
Report Steamship April 6, 2013 4:46 PM BST
It was more to do with the jockeys being responsible
Report barstool April 6, 2013 4:46 PM BST
Looked more like a cross country race than a steeplechase. Just a stanima test now.
Report PerfectionistBollox April 6, 2013 4:48 PM BST
Gotta agree with the original poster, a tame affair lacking the usual drama whether that's a good thing or not
Report Dotchinite April 6, 2013 4:49 PM BST
Yes I thought it had lost something
Report duncan idaho April 6, 2013 4:49 PM BST
great race...i'll take that every time
Report barstool April 6, 2013 4:50 PM BST
Not one Commentator has the guts to say that these are now just joke fencfs. Softest in the land.
Report councillor April 6, 2013 4:51 PM BST
Best to lose something than the race from the calendar
Report Dotchinite April 6, 2013 4:56 PM BST
Why would it be lost? There is no need to bow down to the RSPCA and the moaners.
Thats the way you lose it. The more you give the more they will want.
Report TCat April 6, 2013 4:57 PM BST
Four miles three and a half furlongs, thirty fences, much too easy. I'll pop round every saturday.
Report inspiron April 6, 2013 4:59 PM BST
The Grand National has gone soft but a safer race.
Report CheltenhamRoar April 6, 2013 5:01 PM BST
3 fallers today.
Report saddo April 6, 2013 5:01 PM BST
Dotchinite, have to agree, at some point a line must be drawn or they will pick away further.
Report Roger De Bris April 6, 2013 5:02 PM BST
On His Own thought it was tough...
Report BarryM April 6, 2013 5:47 PM BST
I'm not sure. If you'd asked me beforehand I'd have agreed with the original poster, pretty much. I don't want to see carnage but I want to see a proper test. However, the horses that jumped well came to the fore, and the ones that made mistakes lost ground and their chance with it. So maybe they've got it right. Glad to see everyone safe and sound today of all days anyway, because the BBC were primed to run an entire news program full of horror if a horse had been killed.
Report Ramruma April 6, 2013 6:34 PM BST
2 fallers; 6 unseated riders; 1 refused; 14 pulled up.

The difference may be a greater willingness to pull horses up when their chance has gone rather than chance them falling through tiredness.
Report BarryM April 7, 2013 1:01 AM BST
I don't think so, most fallers tended to happen on the first circuit with the old fences.
Report pumphol. April 7, 2013 1:07 AM BST
If the fences were the same as say twenty years ago & there were only 16 runners there would still be fatalities, things move on, still a great spectacle & if its lost something with all the changes it is safer now, to be honest they really didn't have any choice but to make these changes, accept it & enjoy it for what it is even if you think its not the race it was.
Report Dr Gonzo April 7, 2013 1:09 AM BST
I enjoyed the race, still a spectacle for me.

The fences may be softer, but having walked round the course on Thurs morning, they are still forboding objects.
Report Amanda Hugnkiss April 7, 2013 8:16 AM BST
duncan idaho
06 Apr 13 16:49
great race...i'll take that every time

Indeed dunc,

Pathetic thread imo...
Report rocky ttotal April 7, 2013 8:37 AM BST
The fences fell to pieces on impact, but it was still a great spectacle.I was against the changes but having seen the race must say, well done Aintree you have maintained the spectacle without injury to horse or rider.
Report unbiased April 7, 2013 9:06 AM BST
Not for me,a very sanitised Grand National.Watching horses charging through loose bunches of spruce is no spectacle.Of course none of us want to see fallers,or worse still fatalities,but this is no longer the true test it once was.
   I am fed up with the hand-wringers talking about death of racehorses during races,or whatever,it happens on the flat,and over hurdles,unfortunately,not just in chases.
  Many courses have had their fences "modernised "to please the minority voices.
Listening to commentators and pundits talking about the daunting,or formidable chair fence,who are they trying to kid.Having walked the course when it was such a fence,today's version bears no resemblance whatsoever.
Each to their own,not for me anymore,and I speak as an ex owner,and somebody that loves animals.
Report M4 Pete April 7, 2013 9:36 AM BST
Actually, I thought the race was good;  waht I didn't like was the editing.   C4 ed tried to miss the start when the crowd were roaring  but we had Simon Holt on screen,  then FAR TOO MANY pictures from the clouds where you had not a hope of identifying your horse.  Some commentating on trailing horses...easier than following the action !!     We just sisn't get into the traditional excitement.  !!!
Report MJK April 7, 2013 10:38 AM BST
C4 cameras as usual ruined a big Saturday race for me. Approaching the Chair and you can hardly make out your horse because they're using a camera that should only be used for replays. Any blimp hitmen out there?
Report pumphol. April 7, 2013 11:01 AM BST
Re-watched the race on Racing UK  came over a much better spectacle imo
Also remember the race was run on pretty good ground really, wait till it comes up  soft again it will come over as a much truer test.
Report stewarts rise April 7, 2013 11:21 AM BST
Just watched a replay of the 74 GN and although the couse was a lot tougher there were no injuries reprted and not a single faller at bechers either circuit, although a few got brought down at the relatively easy canal turn including Paul Kellaway getting dragged from Barona by another jockey doing a flying dismount!
As pumphol says when we get another really soft ground race there will be a lot more fallers and less horses getting around.
Report ohyouknowdoya April 7, 2013 11:27 AM BST
When all jocks agree the fences are safer, but still take some jumping, that's
good enough for me, didn't look any different to other nationals. Still a great race,
and like no other race.
Report pumphol. April 7, 2013 11:53 AM BST
Take a look at the Mr Frisk national in 1990 run in record time in very fast conditions & to me its looks no better a spectacle than yesterdays race.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrL9FL8jJ0E
Report Facts April 7, 2013 8:40 PM BST
^ nonsense. This years GN was a non event.Assisted to this state by crass presenters and appallingly poor commentating.Same spectacle as Mr Frisk's race? Absolute b*ll*cks
Report fife April 7, 2013 8:48 PM BST
Facts are you trying to be as obnoxious as homefortea.
Report sixtwosix April 7, 2013 8:51 PM BST
I have no problem with this years race,it is what we are going to have to get used to but ...........

1990 was a fantastic renewal. The fencing duel between Mr Frisk & Uncle Merlin until Bechers second time around was awesome ,followed by Durham Edition vainly chasing the winner , just as he would do again in the Whitbread.
Report Facts April 7, 2013 8:57 PM BST
fife

no, not intentionally. But I feel very angry/passionate about what has happened to the heritage race that was the greatest jumping spectacle of the racing calendar in the world. Saturdays debacle was an embarrassing disgrace. All who love this sport should be appalled.

Sorry if I have offended you fife.
Report judorick April 7, 2013 9:01 PM BST
got to feel a bit sorry for Cappa Bleu, he might have benefitted from any extra 110 yards of race - AE empties and he picks up you never know, was certainly closer at the line than any other time

still thought it was a great race, just not the same as it used to be but I'm not teary eyed with nostalgia, I see it as the best betting opportunity outside the Festival in the whole calendar
Report fife April 7, 2013 9:04 PM BST
Facts i thought your reply to Pumphol was a bit over the top as he seems to be one of the more reasonable posters on here. I apologise for comparing you with Homefortea.
Report Facts April 7, 2013 10:11 PM BST
ok
Report pumphol. April 7, 2013 10:15 PM BST
I wont hold it against you Facts Wink
Report Facts April 7, 2013 10:17 PM BST
good Happy
Report ZEALOT April 7, 2013 10:47 PM BST
trends have to be thrown out now .
Report dunlaying April 8, 2013 11:56 AM BST
I am delighted to hear that there were no casualties but it should be renamed Grand National Lite.
And as for the BBC,they really are a shower.
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