B3.65 are the worst bookies ever

U can't have more on, Jesus, u clearly haven't won a bet in your life.
I don't want unlimited, I want 100 on. I only bet in 50's now to try and keep under the radar.

And laying them on here is possible but u can only do that if u have backed them at the prices advertised and that is where the problem lies!


Why? I am pretty sure they will all make a healthy level stake loss at s.p

If you think they are going to win taking a price at 7/1 or 6/1 is irrelevant just have more on, holy moly

Have more on here, fcuking ell, I seriously doubt you've ever had a bet, for one thing you wouldn't be p1ssing your pants on here every day about fcuk all if that is your best shot at having a winner, simply following tipsters, good luck you will need it.

CC, 365 are good because they are the first to put up early prices the night before. So, while they might have a horse at 5-1, on BF it will be 7-2 tops. Then said horse gets bet and shortened with 365, ending up 11-4. It doesn´t matter if you wait until just before the race - always assuming you don´t have a job to go to - said horse will never be 5-1.

Take for example that Candlish horse Party Line that won at Newcastle recently. 365 Went 13-2 the night before - to which I got a decent stake - and it ended up winning at 11-10.

By the time there is any liquidity on BF the market has already taken shape, often as a result of corrections to the EPs.

I often wonder if these people have ever used betfair with their awful 101% markets. Oh sorry I forgot they would all pay the premium charge.

So, why given that you know that and they know that would they offer anyone an unlimited bet? FFS, I seriously think I'm talking to some people with very low i.q's here

Perhaps, you might be better off asking them ?

Perhaps, their traders are so poor at their job, they offer early prices to find out their mistakes, and they can change their books. There's plenty of explanation if you care to think about it a little more deeply.

Insulting other people's iqs is a bit rich from what I've seen in your latest posts.

the games changed boy alter your methods or be eaten by the new breed, it's called evolution

hth

Indeed, judge.

Said horse might be 20/1 on here at the off, the fact is that any horse which wins a race almost invariably does so at a price lower than the night before, so best odds guaranteed is irrelevant.

Prices don't exist? Just bet nearer the off, overall you'd probably get better prices.

You might get better prices than what the bookmakers are offering near the off. That's a bit different from getting a better price near the off than the bookmakers had on offer when it was priced up.

exactly judge these fcukers think they are so shrood and can't understand why they can't get a bet on with a bookmaker, as if they are going to give it away.

FFS

ANOTHER thread started by the SAME guy on the SAME fukkin subject

This is now the most boring repetative pile of shiiit on here man

We KNOW , we are punters as well

Get a life and stop posting this utter craap

We also know you cannot formulate an opinion about a horse race yourelf so really nothing you have to offer is of any interest pal especially the shiit you spout on football

Self exclude please

It appears a quick look thru this htread that most agree

You are boring the fukkkin tiits of everyone with your constant crying about bookies not wanting your ( not really yours ) bets

Go away you incredibly boring man , you are clearly totally clueless

It would seem EdwardWoodwoodWouldn't !

edward you may be onto something there

equalize him eddie

Was your lunch was less than satisfactory EWW?

My god this fool is relentless

A man who confesses he could never make it pay himself

Then finds tipsters who make him money

Then expects bookies to simply say "come in , have our money "

siralex has now become the most boring t1t on here , WE KNOW they won't take the bets

WHY THE FUUUK WOULD THEY YOU TO$$ER  it is not charity

More than likely an arber despite is protestations to the contrary

exactly judge these fcukers think they are so shrood and can't understand why they can't get a bet on with a bookmaker, as if they are going to give it away.

agreed, there's plenty of price movement and opportunity once the show's up on here or on quack work out a method to profit in this period of activity, simple really

it seems though that an old dog does not wish to learn new tricks

saddo
Im hungry and angry

Not to be fecked with especially by an arbing moaner who could simply ttt his very first thred he ever posted as THEY ARE ALL THE FUKKKIN SAME

Play this loudly, have some biscuits and it will pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHoZNoSh0s

Stop following them unless you bet them on here siralex that game is surely up and it cannot be worth all the grief from the bookies.

There is a thread on Betfair that has tipsters that are 300+ profit over the winter months and had Chelt winners at 50-1 20-1 etc.

Whilst slagging off bookies though I went to billys yesterday to put £110 on Wasps -3 at 10/11  crap value I know but I wanted a bet. They had to ring someone to see if they could take it, to be fair unfortunately they did but why?

Edward. How about u **** right off.
There are numerous threads about jockeys not trying, people giving 'certainties' etc etc but I assume u don't go on them slagging them off. If u don't like the thread then don't go in it u prick.
This is supposed to be a forum.
As for being an arber, if u believe that then u are a bigger prick than I had u down as.

What's wrong with being an "arber" ? Seems a perfectly sensible way to make money,if you can do it.

It's not just arbers they want to stop, lt's all those who want a free ride, change tack or perish.

dont forget the biscuits saddo

Nothing really wrong with arbing, but they can hardly complain when it drys up.

siralex (wnk username by the way) you are like one of those p1ss boring ****s it was impossible to get away from when you used to have to go to the bookies to have a bet, forever repeating the same old sh1t, we've heard it from you a thousand times you thick c**t, they aren't going to change because you bore everybody senseless on here.

anyone who breaks even with 3pound 65p will get there account closed.they dont get named 3pound 65p for nothing

To those who said why don't I pick my own on this thread,

10 bets today.

16/1 winner
11/2 winner
5/1 winner

19.5 points profit.
Not boasting but just trying to show why i don't put my own bets on!!

good luck at betting horses, someone told me many years ago dont bet horses they have jockeys on them

So you got the full 16/1 on the Pricewise tip - what exactly is all the complaining about the bookies about then?

^INDEED

talking bollox as usual.

Pricewise is fairly easy to get on for £50 as are 3 of the others. But there are 2 others who cause huge problems. They are the overnight priced selections. I know why they do it but bet3.65, laddies and victor put up prices the night before then shut u down if u use them. Seems pointless.

Captain - u r the only one talking Bollox.

Pete review put up swing alone, pricewise put up sweet lightening and valueday put up shuil royale.
There were 7 other bets of which 3 were placed and 4 lost.

Anyone can walk into a billies shop and get £50 at 16/1 this morning, the 11/2 on swing alone was easily available and the only problem with shuil royale was a non runner when it was put up so only 4/1 available.

Will you ever shut the fukkk up you boring twaat alex

Despite being told how fukkkin boring you are you STILL babble on like a demented twaat

I am now blocking you so i don't read you mind numbingly repetitive shiiit

I also can't converse with a soppy diiick head who refers to Man Utd as "US"

You are clearly a blittering fukkkin idiot END OF

Seems pointless.

I said before why they do it. Why employ traders when you can get Joe Public to determine your books ? Just put some fanciful prices up, start laying at small amounts, and watch where the money goes. Then change prices accordingly. The other bookmakers then follow the next, and all keep an eye on the exchanges.

The people they call traders are just the people who say yea or nay, to who gets on and who doesn't. They no longer need anyone to take a real view any more.

One of the tipsters you follow is Overpriced Tips, i'm right in thinking?

£10max on pricewise in my local hills

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Ahhhhh that's better , like pulling a splinter out

What a prize c0ck

Yep dr g he is one of the 6.

Am I right in thinking that Siralex is the bloke who once said on here that he never had any problem getting on Pricewise's tips ?

Right, well more often than not he seems to put up ones priced up by 365 and BV who you know you're going to have trouble getting on with at 7pm the previous evening.

Surely you have to factor that in, and accept you're not going to get on his

He is now proved to be an attention seeking to$$er hence he's blocked

EVERY thred is the same and nobody cares about his pitiful bets and how he gets knocked back ZzzzzZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

He has neither the brains or money to circumvent the knock backs and is prolly too fat and lazy to boot

+ I have just had a PM confirming he is 1000000% a penny pinching ARBER so that makes him even more fukkkin boring for nicking "**** money" to supliment his income support

For someone you've blocked, you seem to taking a quite abnormal interest in ?

You've made your point, why prolong your obvious pain ?

The only other people I've seen that have quite such an obsessive opinion of arb'ers are bookmakers.

oh look I've been trying to steal money off bookies and they aren't happy and have said I can't do it any more, imagine my surprise.

so you  backed swing alone, when on the second page you were telling us what great value you had on mias boy?
you put 5 horses up on that page (4 lost and pricewise won for a nice profit) and now you have 2 more winners from another 5 bets that went unmentioned. So at the very least, you have backed 10 horses today. That doesnt sound like 100% discipline to me

Please don't listen to Edward anyone.
Not sure who or what his agenda is.
I don't arb, there are plenty on here who could vouch for that. Why would I arb if I have a winning formula?

Kendo - I put up the ones earlier as they were the ones with the biggest price difference proving that the prices don't go back to their original advertised prices.
I didn't put up swing alone as he was the same price as when tipped up.
As for discipline, if u see the old threads I sometimes have to back up to 3 in a race. I had 2 in that race which came 1st and 3rd. I also had double my stake on ratify as it was selected twice.

Captain. Why am I stealing?

If a car is for sale at 10k in garage a but is put up for sale at 7500 by garage b for 1 evening only would u say I am stealing if I bought it at garage b?
Please see sense. I am just trying to take a price that a bookie offers. It's not my fault that their traders can't do their job.

No one gives a sh1t now fcuk off and whinge at them.

im not feeling the love man

Captain, as you have suggested 'having a bit more on' as a solution to not getting a price (), it's pretty clear that you aren't ever going to have the same problems Siralex has, imo...

Seeing as captain hasn't answered my question about the car that means he has lost the argument. U know when someone can't explain something that they go away or throw abuse.
I asked a simple question that's all. As u say, suggesting i double my stake sums up how little he knows.

start a manlove thread alex,its more satisfying mate

A better shopping analogy would be this. Lidl were selling pork chops today at half price, but they were limited to 6 packs per customer.

siralex .... you are a dirty arber. ou deserve your accounts closed. Stop moaning like an old woman.

( to stop vultures taking the lot)

the office chains are big corporations now........they want their employees to spend their time on accounts that consistently give them profit......even if u break even over a time they will prob restrict you. no point in moaning.

comedy gold this thread.
you follow tipsters and want best price,i give up.

A good analogy saddo but would u be happy if lido said u can't buy any? What would U say when u got to the front of the queue then?
Knot in wood. What does it matter if the tips are tipsters? That's irrelevant surely.
Trusty. U are lying. Join the idiot list with Edward. Why arb when u r making a profit? Please answer this.

get you lot

Despite being the worst bookie ever, Bet365 will soon be getting a new customer, a blonde Lithuanian with a 36D chest who has never arbed in her life, but that will be insideinfo. Still, I'm sure they can look forward to siralex trying again in a week or two.

why did you not claim the bonus alex

"what does it matter if the tips are tipsters"
one last question before i go on my merry way..but how old are you.

Footie fan. Because the last 2 accounts were shut before I could stake enough to get the bonus. I managed to get one once by betting on all sorts of things just to qualify so I thought I would try not claiming it this time just in case it helped,keep the account open but to no avail.

Knot in wood - there are hundreds and hundreds of tipsters out there. They can't shut down the accounts of anyone who follows them all or happens to select the same horse surely???

And I notice that the 2 questions re lidl and arbing haven't been answered. A guarantee that the argument has been lost.

why they shut the other 2 accounts

Alex, retailing is one thing, betting is war, there are no rules in warfare.

Why exactly are you choosing this forum to bore everyone sh1tless with this Alex, ffs fcuk off you don't need to repeat the same old sh1t for time immemorial.

I wouldn't take notice Siralex, as long as you're #allthewaytothebank but you had said previous you expect to not get on at advised prices but aiming at a certain percentage would still yield profit especially with your size of stake? I'm opening my second 365 account shortly haven't had one for a year it only lasted 3 weeks but dying to get back with them.

i will not come on the thread again,just tell me how old you are..im curious.

A) u don't need to come on it then
B) answer my question re arbing
C) an example to why I don't just up my stakes seeing as u r so shrewd.......

Horse 1 bet £100 at 4/1
Horse  2 I bet £100 at 4/1
Horse 3 I bet £100 at 4/1

Horse 1 wins and the others lose. I get £500 back, a profit of £200.

Under your system I bet horse 1 £200 at 2/1
I bet horse 2 £200 at 2/1
I bet horse 3 £200 at 2/1

Horse 1 wins and the others lose. I get back £600, which is zero profit. Thanks for the advice though. Keep up the good work.

NMR. Yep, that's true, I expect to get on 75% of the price but lost paddy account last week and bet3.65 this week. Without those u will be looking at nearer 50% which is nearer to level and no profit.

Knot in wood. After 15 years of losing and 3 years of winning u can probably guess how old I am give or take a coup,e of years.

a=yes
b=dont care
c=could not give a donalds
d=how old are you.

10

do the math 39

NMR. Yep, that's true, I expect to get on 75% of the price but lost paddy account last week and bet3.65 this week. Without those u will be looking at nearer 50% which is nearer to level and no profit.

are you a little bit simple dynamic betting markets move to erode edges

the edge you once enjoyed has gone, the well is dry, it's time to find pastures new

Judge. Why does stating a fact/ reply to a question asked make me simple?
The well isn't dry, it is just getting harder and harder to get on. i just want to be given a fair crack of the whip that's all.
There are people on here who appear to bet in four figures, I only ask for 50-100. It's not as though I am Harry Findlay.

if you cannot figure out a new way to profit then that is the well running dry mate, getting a bet on is an occupational hazard at times

the mythical prices put up by some firms mainly the company you started this thread about are about as real as jack and the beanstalk but that's the way the games gone

My heads spinning with all this

take Arbing for e.g

If I go to the car boot sale and see an item that someone wants to sell me for £5 and I know that with a bit of luck I can sell the same item myself on Ebay for £15 then what is the problem??

The guy at the boot sale is happy he has taken the £5 for his item and sold it otherwise

a) He wouldn't have taken it to the bootsale in the first place but left it at home
b) He would have put a larger price on it in the beginning.

The person who purchases it on Ebay is happy as well otherwise they wouldn't have bid either.

So where is the problem?

Now if i get this right that is basically the epitome of what is called Arbing?

Bookie puts up a price that you can back , i.e he wants your custom and the price is the one that he wishes to sell you the horse at.

You then Lay it off on ' Ebay ' ensuring a profit , so why is the venom so much when people say they do it and what is the bookmakers problem?

So JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN, stable x is aware there is going to be a big gamble on the day on Horse A, they have a few K with the bookies the night before and bob's your uncle they can lay the whole lot off on here on the day at a guaranteed profit, THAT'S WHY

one possibility of staying under the radar is permed lucky 15s instead of singles

e.g you have seven selections

perm any 4 from 7 in 35 Lucky 15s = 35 * 15 * unit stake

abcd
abce
abcf
abcg
abde
abdf
abdg
abef
abeg
abfg
acde
acdf
acdg
acef
aceg
acfg
adef
adeg
adfg
aefg
bcde
bcdf
bcdg
bcef
bceg
bcfg
bdef
bdeg
bdfg
befg
cdef
cdeg
cdfg
cefg
defg


Each of the seven horses appear in 20 separate Lucky 15 bets so you have the treble odds consolations to factor in

Make them each way and if they're decent prices and they all get placed you're looking at a tidy sum


there is a slight practical problem - there aren't any decent settlers around anymore and many so-called settlers
simply don't understand the bet

The Priest, the bookmakers only want to sell the value to people with a proven record of not winning.

Anyone else, they are actively seeking to prevent from transacting with them.

This is understandable, obviously, it's business - market forces will decide how well this policy works, however unfair and discriminatory it might be.

But what the bookmakers shouldn't be able to do is pay the media to be knowingly complicit in presenting them as operating in the absolute opposite manner, in what is little short of institutionalised fraud...

Exactly millhouse, but how can it be properly exposed?

if you'd had your 3 winners of 16/1, 11/2 and 5/1 and 4 losers with a unit stake of 0.50

the figures are:

262.50 staked
2984.50 total return

(treble odds consolation)

There is a point  in moaning dead, that is to expose these disingenuous individuals especially their odious Reps for exactly what they are ...

Milllhouse took more words.......!

If I could jump in at this point...

Not sure about arbers or bullsh itters or even those who are genuine punters (the lost 600 000)....

I was the first person to have a closed account from the most rancid bunch of chancers that have ever been "given" a license to take money off the poor and feckless.
Since day one the Stoke Firm have made it their business to close down anyone who even LOOKED like they could win.I was fine with that until the rest of the "industry" latched on and followed the same business "model"

Unfortunately there is so much "mug money" around that "Bookmakers" do not have to take a chance on the net.When you have the likes of the mental Kevin Pullein praising their "odds compilers" and producing "tips" in the trade paper basically following the nobet£3.65 prices then you know the game is up..

Very important to keep complaining, imho.

loper     25 Mar 13 09:41 
Very important to keep complaining, imho.

Indeed it is.

OK, so the spineless chimps in charge at ATR, RUK & C4, along with the majority of their ignorant presenters & pundits, choose to dance to the Bookmakers' tune, fearing the loss of their "pay off" in keeping schtum about what is becoming commonplace in the secretive world of the high st bookmaker.

The closing/restricting of accounts is not a new tactic by the Bookmakers, it's gone on for years. But the speed by which new accounts are now targeted and closed has reached ridiculous levels.

Should we all choose to bury our heads in the sand and just accept the Bookies have it all wrapped up?

Or, should we keep banging on in the hope that, one day, someone in the media with some clout, will expose this SHAM for what it is?

I'd be interested in hearing what wasnot and adge's take on this subject was. As on-course bookmakers, they would certainly not be interested in turning business away is my guess.

So why do the firms try to do this? Why do they not have faith in their over-round?

Over- round theoretical innit.

HOMEFORTEA,U ARE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON!

that's right saddo of course it is
the over-round state is not really sought by bookmakers - the prices offered have to represent over-round and obviously can be tweaked according to demand

but to turn business away ????

I wouldnt have a bad thing to say about B365. Good website. offer on in play soccer and 4/1 on horses is decent

another contender for worst bookies ever: WINNER.COM. every single time i try to put a bet on, it will only match a really small amount. i bet on the golf, have done for years and only very occasionally had this with any other bookies, but literally every single time i've tried to place a bet with WINNER.COM this has happened. i don't even bet large amounts. i just tried to put £6 on richard sterne and they would only match £1.40, which is typical. and they don't even have great odds!

As to off course books not turning business away I asked for a 500/57.50 EW a horse at Exeter a couple of weeks ago and was limited to 50EW at the price of 17/2 ie no fractions.

After the machine had been consulted of course