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Dear Mr Powell,
The 2 accounts (xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx) have been under investigation of Premium Charge evasion due to the inconsistent nature of betting activity conducted across the accounts. Specifically, it is clear that the activity conducted across the accounts is the distribution of a single betting strategy.
In respect of the Premium Charge we provide an allowance against the first £1,000 of charges that would otherwise be incurred by any customer and also exempt customers who have not bet in more than 250 markets. Additionally, higher rates of Premium Charge may apply when a customer’s lifetime net profits exceed £250,000. It is plainly unrealistic to expect to distribute activity across more than one account to benefit from an allowance per account and/or continual exemptions by ensuring less than 250 markets are bet on via each account; or to ensure that the lifetime net profit remains below the threshold above which higher rates may apply.
To that extent, from this week onwards, all accounts listed will be linked for the purposes of calculating the Premium Charge. This will ensure that the full betting history of this single entity will be reflected going forward. To the latest week, 687, (03rd March 2013) no Premium Charge has been underpaid and thus no adjustment has been necessary on your account. I trust this makes our position perfectly clear.
Yours sincerely,
Betfair Pricing
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had a lengthy talk with betfair about this email no grounds to appeal and even if i did would probably close my account.thought about going to ibas but again would probably close my account.
thing is my wife and i opened our accounts many years before premium rate was introduced and while we were losing was okay by befair.even though we have all same personal details except names obviously.
we i think are being told we can see into the future and knew premium rate charge would come into effect
just does not seem right that they can make this decision without any consoltation or any appeal its like it or lump it imo
thanks for the advice m8 the other night have started to trial it
The 2 accounts (xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx) have been under investigation of Premium Charge evasion due to the inconsistent nature of betting activity conducted across the accounts. Specifically, it is clear that the activity conducted across the accounts is the distribution of a single betting strategy.
In respect of the Premium Charge we provide an allowance against the first £1,000 of charges that would otherwise be incurred by any customer and also exempt customers who have not bet in more than 250 markets. Additionally, higher rates of Premium Charge may apply when a customer’s lifetime net profits exceed £250,000. It is plainly unrealistic to expect to distribute activity across more than one account to benefit from an allowance per account and/or continual exemptions by ensuring less than 250 markets are bet on via each account; or to ensure that the lifetime net profit remains below the threshold above which higher rates may apply.
To that extent, from this week onwards, all accounts listed will be linked for the purposes of calculating the Premium Charge. This will ensure that the full betting history of this single entity will be reflected going forward. To the latest week, 687, (03rd March 2013) no Premium Charge has been underpaid and thus no adjustment has been necessary on your account. I trust this makes our position perfectly clear.
Yours sincerely,
Betfair Pricing
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In order to protect our email recipients, Betfair Group use SkyScan from
had a lengthy talk with betfair about this email no grounds to appeal and even if i did would probably close my account.thought about going to ibas but again would probably close my account.
thing is my wife and i opened our accounts many years before premium rate was introduced and while we were losing was okay by befair.even though we have all same personal details except names obviously.
we i think are being told we can see into the future and knew premium rate charge would come into effect
just does not seem right that they can make this decision without any consoltation or any appeal its like it or lump it imo
thanks for the advice m8 the other night have started to trial it
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I trust this makes our position perfectly clear.
What of bending the customer over the table? |
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Plenty of ways around this ;-)
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 the swines....you must be raging - hope you haven't gone too red (magenta) in the face with the stress of it all! Still, in a few weeks/months I expect your face will have calmed down |
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PAY YOUR TAXESTO BETFAIR SO THEIR EMPLOYEES CANT HAVE A PAY RISE AND PAY THEIR COUNCIL TAX
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CAN PAY ^
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Betfair reckon your wife doesn't rly gamble, sexist innit.
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while no defender of the PC, you have been found flouting their rules - (before the avalanche of how wrong their rules are, its up to you if you use their site or not - if you dont like it .... walk) or are you claiming you never use your wifes' account?
unless both accounts come under PC, then linking them is preferable to losing the non PC account |
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Well it's clearly unfair IF his wife is a gambler. I realise that a lot of people use relatives/friends accounts to try and get round the PC but there must be cases where it is genuinely different people using the same address and even the same computer independently.
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exactly salmon but they suspend the accounts and take the money regardless
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Just hope your wife loses to subsidise your wins
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run a series of bets (like laying favs) that will have a roughly zero positive effect on profit but generate commission
do it on markets you are not normally going to play |
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I wonder if they assume two brothers who share a house aren't separate entities. They would need to apply the same rule to them as they do to a husband and wife or I could see all sorts of legal difficulties.
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salmon
whilst what you say is possible - and probable in a 'few' cases, it is highly unlikely here they (BF) are not stupid, and when they talk of 'distribution of a single betting strategy', it makes it even more unlikely it would be interesting to hear if the Op can claim that he's never used his wifes' account |
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to answer a few questions again my wife does like to bet she is infact a betting shop manager she had her account way before premium charge was introduced we discovered betting inrunning about 7 years ago and it worked for us we started making a profit on a regular basis so that is why our betting strategy is the same because it works.my wife was then offered the managers job in her shop which was full time 48hrs per week.she wanted the job so had to stop the betting i/r as it is so time consuming.i have carried on and am still making a profit.just to clarify neither account is due to pay premium rate in the near future it is the fact that betfair have just made this decision with no real evidence.
if my wife had opened an account say last year and it started winning the same way as my account then i could understand them being suspicious.  |
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get divorced, problem solved and all for £60 (don't forget the pre-nup
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so if her account is currently idle, is there a problem beyond the matter of principle?
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not really we use her account for the family like grand national/cheltenham bets.what they have done is assume so yes it is principle.but what they have done is stuck my wifes profit onto my account so i will reach the 20% p/c sooner and the £25000 mark sooner to pay 40/50 or 60% p/c how is that fair
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try purple?
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Mrs 0% digs i/r, purple will be no good to the old girl
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was going to do that had a look yesterday struggle imo but still an option.spoke to a friend who has given me a strategy to keep away from premium charge looks workable but now i feel that i am being dishonest
 alot of bother for me aswell never thought i would be trying to lose money |
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we use her account for the family like grand national/cheltenham bets.what they have done is stuck my wifes profit onto my account so i will reach the 20% p/c sooner
but you wouldnt have any profit from grand national/cheltenham bets yet  ....i'm smelling a rat here |
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Surely there had been previous grand nationals and cheltenhams ?
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Premium Charge evasion team? They sound like something to do with the bottom inspectors out of VIZ comic. They might be sending them round to Your House to make sure that You and Your Wife have wiped properly.
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i'm smelling a rat here
is that like glue sniffing duncan |
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starfish, why would they take this action now if the account hasnt been used since last April? the geezer is clearly using both accounts himself...let's be honest, no-one out there has a wife that also punts on here, except for those people who lost £300 when the dog stood on the keyboard and laid the fav large
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as i said she use to do i/r along with me had sis home service then
but now her account is only used for pre race bets national etc |
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my post was really to make you guys aware that betfair has staff constantly monitoring winning accounts to try and get them to leave or onto the p/c asap wonder how much they get paid or are they on commision we have no grounds for appeal and i would guess if i made a real fuss about this they will close my account. was worried about posting just in case
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duncan the last time my wives account was used is grandnatinal 2012 that is the truth my friend
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The premium charge has been set , we don't like it ,it's not a fair charge tbh but then we don't have to come on here ,BF don't force us .
Therefore why don't you just pay up like the rest of us and stop trying to dodge payment ?  |
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so your post is not about been hard done by, but to say BF are now rigorously chasing accounts that flout their rules
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ok, 0%profit...only messin really...good luck
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cheers guys will leave it at that then good luck to you all
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hazel Date Joined: 15 Jun 01 Add contact | Send message When: 08 Mar 13 12:31 Joined: Date Joined: 15 Jun 01 | Topic/replies: 428 | Blogger: hazel's blog I paid £31.34 premium charge at 60% this week. (yes £31 Premium charge on £54 gross profit) Yet others win thousands each week and pay less than me in total charges. I don't call that fair or sensible. Long live laddies Watch you don't fall into the trap |
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so wrong imo
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hope they have had a look at bet daq today looks like the competition is about to begin yeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
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The rules linking of accounts for PC purposes should be transparent and published.It should be published in their rules section of the site to make the process open to scrutiny.
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same address bit obvious innit ffs
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