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Thelastfling
13 Feb 13 11:10
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Opened an account with them purely so i could place some ante-post Cheltenham bets and had in the region of £300-£400 on different horses, some of which i wouldn't have backed in normal circumstances because of doubts over their participation. In the meantime i had 5 or 6 other bets on Saturday h'caps and hit 2 winners. Now they've closed the account already and are refusing to honour the Cheltenham specials. The trading decision, whilst ridiculous, i can accept but i find it hard to stomach the fact they won't honour the ante-post specials. Seems to me like they have accepted the ante-post bets in good faith and then said ta very much we'll close the account and take the money as we can do whatever the hell we like. I can't even log on to my account to check the bets i have had for the festival.

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By:
EVILROYSLADE
When: 13 Feb 13 11:33
They closed my account some months ago ( I posted details on here) as I had a strike rate of around 80%. Not to major stakes I might add, but just being very selective with my bets. They are without doubt the biggest load of bstds in the betting industry. Every time I see that grinning greasy mug on their ads I feel like smashing the TV! The NR NO BET OFFER is also a scam! They wont credit the money back into your acc so you could withdraw. They just put it back by way of a FREE BET! Thats a joke!
By:
Brian
When: 13 Feb 13 12:07
Dreadful. They have no scruples.
By:
Biscar Two from a mile back
When: 13 Feb 13 12:09
Not sure they can cancel the ante post bets.Surely you enter into a contract when you place the bets ?
By:
pedrobob
When: 13 Feb 13 12:12
would be surprised if even IBAS could come down in favour of VC if the NRNB was clearly stipulated when you placed the bets
By:
pilgrim pete
When: 13 Feb 13 12:14
Worest off the lot !!!,,new ips card and new person 4 me to open accounts up, but even i wont bother with vc again , as soon as u win a penny get banned , be lucky if account last a day with them...
By:
stoozbet
When: 13 Feb 13 12:48
Take this to IBAS straight away. I took a case to them recently & won. Read the full story here http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29627739/ive-won-an-ibas-case-against-sportingbet

They took less than a month to find in my favor so if you get in now then they may just get back before Cheltenham. To me it's a very similar situation where the bookie has to honor the contract & can't ban you retrospectively from the antipost offer.
By:
Areyoutalkintome?
When: 13 Feb 13 12:56
The last fling..... my father is in the same boat, though he has an e-mail advising him that they will honour the terms.... will have to phone to confirm.

Regarding our Non runner-free bet offer, we will honour this however, you will need to contact us so we can place the possible promotional cash bet for you. As per the terms and conditions, please click on the link below and scroll down to the bottom of the page to read the terms of this offer:


There is your precedent!

T&C's:
http://www.betvictor.com/sports/en/cheltenham-2013
By:
eggpresident
When: 13 Feb 13 13:09
HE HAS THE BARE FACED NERVE TO CALL HIMSELF "THE GENTLEMAN BOOKMAKER" THE GUYS A THIEF. HOWEVER I THINK YOU WOULD WIN A COURT CASE ON THIS ONE, THE BET WAS STRUCK WHEN THE ACCOUNT WAS ACTIVE, THE TERMS SHOW THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE FROM PLACING ON THE OFFER, BUT NOT I BELIEVE TO CANCEL AFTER ACCEPTING, NOT REALLY THE ACTIONS OF A GENTLEMAN IS IT !!!!!!!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUM, TAKE THEM TO COURT I KNOW I WOULD
By:
Big Boss
When: 13 Feb 13 13:14
How Victor Chunder has the audacity to show his shrivelled up boat race on the telly is beyond me, ASA should be all over these clowns.
By:
eggpresident
When: 13 Feb 13 13:17
COULDNT AGREE MORE, TINY PRINT ART THE BOTTOM OF THE AD "IF YOU WIN WE WILL SHUT YOU OUT OF YOUR ACCOUNT WITH NO WARNING"....... BIT LIKE THE TINY PRINT SHOWING WONGAS INTEREST RATES, SHOULD BE THE LAW WHEN DEALING WITH SCUM LIKE VC
By:
Thelastfling
When: 13 Feb 13 16:43
The last fling..... my father is in the same boat, though he has an e-mail advising him that they will honour the terms.... will have to phone to confirm.

Regarding our Non runner-free bet offer, we will honour this however, you will need to contact us so we can place the possible promotional cash bet for you. As per the terms and conditions, please click on the link below and scroll down to the bottom of the page to read the terms of this offer:


There is your precedent!

T&C's:
http://www.betvictor.com/sports/en/cheltenham-2013

Thanks for this it's a big help!! I shall use this in my case against them...

Tha
By:
Graeme83
When: 13 Feb 13 16:52
"They closed my account some months ago ( I posted details on here) as I had a strike rate of around 80%. Not to major stakes I might add, but just being very selective with my bets. They are without doubt the biggest load of bstds in the betting industry. Every time I see that grinning greasy mug on their ads I feel like smashing the TV! The NR NO BET OFFER is also a scam! They wont credit the money back into your acc so you could withdraw. They just put it back by way of a FREE BET! Thats a joke! "



They tried to turn your cash into a free bet ...you can't be serious ?  needless to say if it was me they wouldn't get away with it.
By:
Graeme83
When: 13 Feb 13 16:55
Nah i read that wrongfully.
By:
winker watson
When: 13 Feb 13 16:58
theres some s lag on twitter called ms arsenal tweet her about it shes a v c lover
By:
Deltâ
When: 13 Feb 13 16:59
she runs VC's twitter, winker..
By:
winker watson
When: 13 Feb 13 17:19
yeah she denies that they close accounts and says they are a big layer
By:
WFT
When: 13 Feb 13 19:29
theres some s lag on twitter called ms arsenal tweet her about it shes a v c lover

Her name is Steph, and is probably the most self-absorbed bookies rep I've seen yet, and that takes something.

I questioned her about some VC policy on twitter, and she blocked me immediately, but wait for it............

10 minutes later, she followed me using her personal twitter account !

Ask her about her boob job !
By:
Clarky9
When: 13 Feb 13 23:13
I had an account with them for about 6 months. Had a few winners as well as a fair few losers. They then closed my account without telling me, just wouldn't let me log in. When onto their live help and was told my account had been closed due to a trading decision.

I then asked them to send me a report of all the open bets I had left and a statement of my account during it's lifetime. After receiving the reports it turned out I had won just over £1000 in 6 months, so about £160-£170 a month on average. Hardy shouts big winner does it?

They honoured the remaining bets I had running and I can't tell you how great it felt when Ernie Els won the Open (£100 EW @ 40/1) and I had to contact them to get them to send the £5200 back.

Just typical of a so called big bookmaker only wanting the weak & addicted to play their online casinos and place mug bets, but don't want the business of someone who has a brain...
By:
Pythagoras
When: 13 Feb 13 23:44
Sorry to bear bad news but I think the contemptible viktor shamer can and will get away with it. His ads were carefully worded to say you get a free bet not money back if you back a NR. If you don't have an act any more you can't use your free bet. The other worst culprit in this shady practice is Joke Oral who regularly closes down acts to escape having to credit free bets. Don't touch this pair is the only advice I'd give.
By:
workrider
When: 13 Feb 13 23:48
surely its time punters objected to their licences  en mass ...lets get them worried , for to long we've took it on the chin ....
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 14 Feb 13 00:16
VC have the Premier footballers throwing their hard earned cash at them. They have little interest in average Joe who hits the mark. They use the term `commercial decision` for closing accounts. Managers are employed to manage the accounts and make `commercial decisions`...they all live in fear. It`s a ruthless business.

Your Cheltenham specials should be honoured. Would they have any reasons that you opened your new account under a new identity?
By:
Areyoutalkintome?
When: 14 Feb 13 07:45
Thelastfling....pm'd you.
By:
hicksterthetrickster
When: 14 Feb 13 11:06
I know you are all slagging them off. I doubt doubt any of you.
However one positive surprise for me.

When they started the offer I checked terms and conditions. And to my amazement it includes ant post done before the offer was launched.
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 14 Feb 13 12:00
I questioned her about some VC policy on twitter, and she blocked me immediately, but wait for it............10 minutes later, she followed me using her personal twitter account !

Ask her about her boob job !


Laugh
By:
Areyoutalkintome?
When: 14 Feb 13 14:39
Hickster, the offer was a good one (I was always aware that a free bet would be issued rather than cash) and agree that the positives need to be highlighted, in an effort to remain objective. However, the closure of the account, without any means of access, is a little OTT and if they welch on any of the ante post bets placed prior to closure or the concessions that are associated with the offer, they will have to explain their actions and deal with the negative comments/consequences.
By:
tommac
When: 14 Feb 13 15:25
Pity you cannot speak directly to the man himself.Just tell him you are a mate of Mick Saunders who is Victors right hand man,and looks after all his finances.
By:
winker watson
When: 14 Feb 13 17:32
i agree all p i ssed off punters should object to there license see how they like that
By:
Thelastfling
When: 14 Feb 13 18:05
"Thelastfling....pm'd you."

Thanks, have replied to your PM, VCbet replied to my email today but totally ignored my issue.
By:
Hemingway
When: 15 Feb 13 10:59
Guys - I work for the firm, though not in trading.

Anyone who has had an antepost bet at Cheltenham will qualify for NRFB regardless of whether their account is open or closed. An email explaining this will be going out to any affected accounts since the offer started.

Hope this clarifies matters.
By:
Curious_George
When: 15 Feb 13 11:01
well i'm outraged by that
By:
King Cally
When: 15 Feb 13 11:15
Agree with most of the above. They truly are a shower of sh1te. Had many accounts closed with them, but accept that's part of their MO. On the plus side, their customer service regarding outstanding bets and balances on closed accounts has usually been pretty efficient. My advice would always be to remain pleasant and calmly make polite requests by email.

VC should be ashamed of his traders, they are hopeless.
By:
alleged22
When: 15 Feb 13 11:39
Anyone who has had an antepost bet at Cheltenham will qualify for NRFB regardless of whether their account is open or closed. An email explaining this will be going out to any affected accounts since the offer started.

Hope this clarifies matters.

how do folk bet with the free bet if the account is closed???
By:
WFT
When: 15 Feb 13 11:46
What VC, and the other rancid firms like them, do not seem to realise how easy it is to open another account with them. They even give you a free bet for your trouble. Strange business model ?

You've got to be quick to use it though. Your new account doesn't last long when you back a winner.
By:
Hemingway
When: 15 Feb 13 12:08
Apologies, you will need to call up the Contact Centre to place your promo cash wager.
By:
EVILROYSLADE
When: 15 Feb 13 12:19
Should be banned from trading as a bookmaker.
By:
winker watson
When: 15 Feb 13 12:40
hemmingway why do your mob close accounts after 1 bet?
By:
Curious_George
When: 15 Feb 13 12:57
why do people waste their time complaining about it? just get on with it and opening another account.
By:
alleged22
When: 15 Feb 13 13:07
what sort of returns gets an account closed? as i have opened several accounts recently with various bookies taking advantage of their free bet offers all my selections are for the festival, ive never had accounts other than betfair until recently...
By:
Curious_George
When: 15 Feb 13 13:11
nothing to do with returns really alleged. could bet 10 losers in a row and get closed if you are consistently getting an edge simple as that.
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