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FRENCH CANADIAN
A horse that is improving fast & has progressed through the P2P field, taking a step up in each race.
Made its seasonal debut at Ampton in an Intermediate point( a course that is very similar to Market Rasen) in which it hacked up……( fastest time of the day).. …
came from off the pace & quickening impressively, won as it liked………..it was fit for its return after doing plenty of schooling & this race has been the target for a while!
The distance of 3m1f will suit it, it finished 2nd in its maiden over 20f by a horse that had run out earlier in the day after the 3rd fence……but was allowed to take its chance in this later race…& duly won…something that would probably never happen under rules these days.
Rob Jarrett has ridden it in all but one of its races… takes the ride again here.
CURRENT EXCHANGE
Probably the “form” horse of the race ( 7 from 9 in points) but was pulled up on its reappearance in a good race at CHADDESLEY CORBETT, it was actually the 13/8 fav….the winner was Cottage Oak, who is unbeaten in points & a Hunter Chase this season.
It probably needed the run that day, and the ground was like a bog.
It ran “What a Laugh” to 2L in a Hunter last season, a cracking run, but has a habit of hitting a few.
The ground will be no problem, I think it was more of a fitness issue when it was pulled up last time.
Has to give weight away to everything here & could be vulnerable to an improver.
ALFOISIN
Only won a 2 horse race last time after surviving a blunder at the last fence, its form seems to be in average races & was well beat when it met Gidam Gidam & Superior wisdom.
Needs quick ground & may need the run, but don’t think it has the form to win this.
This race should revolve around these three, Current Exchange is the form horse as it stands & would have been hard to desert had it run to somewhere near its form last time….but I think the fast improving FRENCH CANADIAN will be hard to beat on its Hunter chase debut getting the weight….
With fitness guaranteed…, something the rest of the field have to prove it … barring accidents it could take some beating.
A horse that is improving fast & has progressed through the P2P field, taking a step up in each race.
Made its seasonal debut at Ampton in an Intermediate point( a course that is very similar to Market Rasen) in which it hacked up……( fastest time of the day).. …
came from off the pace & quickening impressively, won as it liked………..it was fit for its return after doing plenty of schooling & this race has been the target for a while!
The distance of 3m1f will suit it, it finished 2nd in its maiden over 20f by a horse that had run out earlier in the day after the 3rd fence……but was allowed to take its chance in this later race…& duly won…something that would probably never happen under rules these days.
Rob Jarrett has ridden it in all but one of its races… takes the ride again here.
CURRENT EXCHANGE
Probably the “form” horse of the race ( 7 from 9 in points) but was pulled up on its reappearance in a good race at CHADDESLEY CORBETT, it was actually the 13/8 fav….the winner was Cottage Oak, who is unbeaten in points & a Hunter Chase this season.
It probably needed the run that day, and the ground was like a bog.
It ran “What a Laugh” to 2L in a Hunter last season, a cracking run, but has a habit of hitting a few.
The ground will be no problem, I think it was more of a fitness issue when it was pulled up last time.
Has to give weight away to everything here & could be vulnerable to an improver.
ALFOISIN
Only won a 2 horse race last time after surviving a blunder at the last fence, its form seems to be in average races & was well beat when it met Gidam Gidam & Superior wisdom.
Needs quick ground & may need the run, but don’t think it has the form to win this.
This race should revolve around these three, Current Exchange is the form horse as it stands & would have been hard to desert had it run to somewhere near its form last time….but I think the fast improving FRENCH CANADIAN will be hard to beat on its Hunter chase debut getting the weight….
With fitness guaranteed…, something the rest of the field have to prove it … barring accidents it could take some beating.
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Thanks for the preview koi. I've never heard of a situation like the one you describe regarding a horse running out and then running in a later race.
Agree it should be between the front two in the betting koi. Do you give Princess Fyona any chance?
"If only I could have a stable of horses like him it would be easy," smiled Caroline Robinson, who had come to Ampton for the ground. "I didn't want him to run on heavy, because he's a speed horse, and I knew this would be all right," she added.
"Immy [her daughter] has been schooling him at home, and I knew he was fit," said Caroline, whose younger daughter Kitty is set to make her debut on Whistling Straits at Thorpe, weather permitting.
Next stop for French Canadian could be a Maiden Hunters' Chase at Market Rasen, and Caroline also has in her mind a later target, the Connolly's Red Mills final at Cheltenham.
Let's hope the ground does not dent French Canadian's speed
"Immy [her daughter] has been schooling him at home, and I knew he was fit," said Caroline, whose younger daughter Kitty is set to make her debut on Whistling Straits at Thorpe, weather permitting.
Next stop for French Canadian could be a Maiden Hunters' Chase at Market Rasen, and Caroline also has in her mind a later target, the Connolly's Red Mills final at Cheltenham.
Let's hope the ground does not dent French Canadian's speed
nice write up Koi.
i live in Central London and wondered if you could point me in the direction of some P2P action that wouldnt be too far for me to travel?
i live in Central London and wondered if you could point me in the direction of some P2P action that wouldnt be too far for me to travel?
ADR - Northaw (near Potters Bar) or Godstone (just south of M25 on teh way to Lingfield)
I made a book at the gaff it won at last time, travelled abs great, just the one concern, connections reckoned it was a gd ground horse, otherwise id have a fair bet on it today, improving
ADR_Brentford 05 Feb 13 12:12
nice write up Koi.
i live in Central London and wondered if you could point me in the direction of some P2P action that wouldnt be too far for me to travel?
Godstone is on this very sunday the 10th, its not a bad card at all
nice write up Koi.
i live in Central London and wondered if you could point me in the direction of some P2P action that wouldnt be too far for me to travel?
Godstone is on this very sunday the 10th, its not a bad card at all
adr brentford if you are based in west london may i suggest kingston blount or kimble (both m40 ) about 45 /55 miles away
jmdc 05 Feb 13 12:00
Agree it should be between the front two in the betting koi. Do you give Princess Fyona any chance?
Its been off for nearly 2 yrs, will need to step up a fair bit imo ...
Agree it should be between the front two in the betting koi. Do you give Princess Fyona any chance?
Its been off for nearly 2 yrs, will need to step up a fair bit imo ...
jmdc 05 Feb 13 12:00
Agree it should be between the front two in the betting koi. Do you give Princess Fyona any chance?
Its been off for nearly 2 yrs, will need to step up a fair bit imo ...
Agree it should be between the front two in the betting koi. Do you give Princess Fyona any chance?
Its been off for nearly 2 yrs, will need to step up a fair bit imo ...
I would think the ground probably went again FC...cant really complain,
isnt Ampton up hill [towcester gradient] from about 4 out where as MR is sweeping downwards?
ground different today, FC jumped moderately too, best oss won.
Highly recommend Godstone. A great rural spot where you stand in the middle and can get close to the action.
Before the race Neesom said the winner arrived late at Chaddesley and got flustered.
was tom david with tim vaughan koi,or at least another welsh trainer.
Good little contest that. The best horse won on the day so no complaints from me.
'Tom the bomb' was a lion who played for Llanelli RFC.
thats the last 3 he,s only lent,at the prices koil plays he doesnt want to be lending to much more, 
Its all right 1st time poster..I have £7000 from last seasons hunter chases...its not a problem...still 5 months to go..
BTW still waiting for you to put something up instead of criticising everything i put up wether it wins or gets beat...
BTW still waiting for you to put something up instead of criticising everything i put up wether it wins or gets beat...
1st time poster.
Have you ever had a bet before or are you treating the forum as a dating website?
Have you ever had a bet before or are you treating the forum as a dating website?
Exactly, at least Koi puts up some rationale for his selection and every horse cannot win. He never says back this just presents his reasoning and info for others to consider. Sometimes I agree with his thinking other times I dont
ok 1st time poster..heres your chance
What wins the Hunter chase at Ludlow tomorrow, looking forward to the write up
What wins the Hunter chase at Ludlow tomorrow, looking forward to the write up
can sumwon answer my 16:11 question, or have I got the courses muddled
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AMPTON
Course Summary: Compact and undulating course; two quite acute bends, but fairly easy to negotiate and three uphill fences including the open ditch
Course Summary: Compact and undulating course; two quite acute bends, but fairly easy to negotiate and three uphill fences including the open ditch
http://www.pointtopoint.co.uk/go/courses/ampton&template=courseimage
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i'm sure from fence 4 to 7 is the climb (towcester style), that or the beer tent was serving Abbot Ale.
i'm sure from fence 4 to 7 is the climb (towcester style), that or the beer tent was serving Abbot Ale.
I've been delving into these races for a while and looking online for info and despite lots of sites I haven't found anywhere that goes into much detail about the tracks.
A p2p geezer put on facebook today that he wanted to see how French Canadian would handle the track but the preview writer on hunterchases.com said ....a track not too dissimilar to Market Rasen – showed the horse is better than ever (clocked the fastest time that day), and connections have had this race in mind since that win......
Do you know a site that has a more detailed description of the p2p tracks koi (or anyone else)? I'm not keen here to have to rely on some other geezers imo!
A p2p geezer put on facebook today that he wanted to see how French Canadian would handle the track but the preview writer on hunterchases.com said ....a track not too dissimilar to Market Rasen – showed the horse is better than ever (clocked the fastest time that day), and connections have had this race in mind since that win......
Do you know a site that has a more detailed description of the p2p tracks koi (or anyone else)? I'm not keen here to have to rely on some other geezers imo!
try weatherbys point to point site they have a description of all the tracks, fences,viewing etc
Come on 1st time poster, dont avoid the question...
still waiting the write up on the hunter at Ludlow tomorrow...interested as to what you come up with...
still waiting the write up on the hunter at Ludlow tomorrow...interested as to what you come up with...
so hunterchase.com say
his comeback win at Ampton – a track not too dissimilar to Market Rasen – showed the horse is better than ever (clocked the fastest time that day), and connections have had this race in mind since that win
koi says
seasonal debut at Ampton in an Intermediate point( a course that is very similar to Market Rasen) in which it hacked up……( fastest time of the day).. …
came from off the pace & quickening impressively, won as it liked………..it was fit for its return after doing plenty of schooling & this race has been the target for a while!
plagarism at its best...
his comeback win at Ampton – a track not too dissimilar to Market Rasen – showed the horse is better than ever (clocked the fastest time that day), and connections have had this race in mind since that win
koi says
seasonal debut at Ampton in an Intermediate point( a course that is very similar to Market Rasen) in which it hacked up……( fastest time of the day).. …
came from off the pace & quickening impressively, won as it liked………..it was fit for its return after doing plenty of schooling & this race has been the target for a while!
plagarism at its best...
Cheers, I had a look there and some descriptions are better than others and some are missing maps, I'm prob going to end up leaving these races, it's difficult enough with full info.
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dont make yourself look a fool
the write up was up, before that on the Hunter chase site..
BTW I do loads of research on these & have a data base of pointers/hunter chases with comments/form etc...
dont make yourself look a fool
the write up was up, before that on the Hunter chase site..
BTW I do loads of research on these & have a data base of pointers/hunter chases with comments/form etc...
what you saying hunter chase . com are picking koi,s brains,is that legal,
I thought koi might have been recruited, it's quite a new site looking for traffic, koi's got more followers on here than some tipsters on twitter.
BM... it was going all last season, ....the write ups are usually done before anything goes up on that site...BUZ will know.
Dont put them up on here straight away......i have nothing to do with Hunter chases .com....I was doing write ups well before they were on the scene...
Dont put them up on here straight away......i have nothing to do with Hunter chases .com....I was doing write ups well before they were on the scene...
Fair enough, I only found it a few weeks ago in my search for course and connections info, I assumed it was new site cos is looks a bit gappy.
Unlucky koi, cant complain about that run,pair of them were well clear...
yep, it ran well, ground probably went against it though....it had no form on snow covered ground
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evening koi, hunterchases.com been going over 18 months now. Can vouch that koi has nothing to do with the site but without doubt he has enough knowledge of this subject to rival it with his tips an write ups!! Enjoy reading both before making my own mind up,both have a very high success rate. The site also has a good review an results page aswell as previews of all hunterchases under rules. Keep posting koi dont let them get under your skin,dont be forced into finding anything other than the winner in your opinion we dont make-up the prices !!
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Anyone seen 1stTP talk abvout a horse yet, or just other forumites he'd like to "meet up with"?
Koi,i all ways liked the hunter chases,enjoy your write ups, most informative,please keep them coming.all the best Rob.
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Ludlow HC tomorrow - 1st time Poster vs Koikeeper
1st Time Poster please post your write up 1st by 10am tomorrow (in keeping with your forum name)
Koi Please post therafter
£50 I will donate to the charity of either of your choices with proof of payment so please also post this
Game on!
Ludlow HC tomorrow - 1st time Poster vs Koikeeper
1st Time Poster please post your write up 1st by 10am tomorrow (in keeping with your forum name)
Koi Please post therafter
£50 I will donate to the charity of either of your choices with proof of payment so please also post this
Game on!
i havnt a clue about any of the runners but surenga should run well,if he,s off colour bermuda boy should be the danger,if either of these under perform i can see bob ,n you having a shout,bit all in all i,ll go for surenga,
on the grounds of it might make koi avoid the fav,
on the grounds of it might make koi avoid the fav,
Insideshrewdie...I was wanting 1st time poster to say something BEFORE the race..it will never happen.
As for tomorrow, its a no bet race for me...
SURENAGA needs good ground
BERMUDA BOY has little chance of staying on the ground & Steve Flooks horses are running too bad to be true.
PRINCE MASSINI has won on soft ground, but its not ideal, may need the run on its seasonal debut.
SHOOTIN THE BREEZE, another who will struggle staying the 3m imo
The other 2 have little chance on form...
BUT,,,something has to win it.... not a race for me!
As for tomorrow, its a no bet race for me...
SURENAGA needs good ground
BERMUDA BOY has little chance of staying on the ground & Steve Flooks horses are running too bad to be true.
PRINCE MASSINI has won on soft ground, but its not ideal, may need the run on its seasonal debut.
SHOOTIN THE BREEZE, another who will struggle staying the 3m imo
The other 2 have little chance on form...
BUT,,,something has to win it.... not a race for me!
Soon as I saw the snow on the ground I thought the form has gone out the window.
Keep posting Koi, really enjoy your reasoned write ups.
Keep posting Koi, really enjoy your reasoned write ups.
The Rubber Man is just miles off the class of the runners tomorrow, instantly struck that one off. Shootin the Breeze looks another horse to strike off. To step up in trip and jump against some of these other horses just looks too much to ask for. Bob N'You's form is rancid and even when it came second recently, it jumped awfully and couldn't win despite Drinkwater's claim.
out of the remaining three, Prince Massini is looking to be by far the distant outsider, however, if he does take off at a double digit price as the value proposition, then I would certainly take him on as Surenaga and Bermuda Boy both have questions to answer going into this race.
gl all.
out of the remaining three, Prince Massini is looking to be by far the distant outsider, however, if he does take off at a double digit price as the value proposition, then I would certainly take him on as Surenaga and Bermuda Boy both have questions to answer going into this race.
gl all.
1st time poster, you seem a right KNOB, anyone on here helps others and you have a go. Well if you want to have a go put up or shut up. KNOB
As for tomorrow, its a no bet race for me...
SURENAGA needs good ground
BERMUDA BOY has little chance of staying on the ground & Steve Flooks horses are running too bad to be true.
PRINCE MASSINI has won on soft ground, but its not ideal, may need the run on its seasonal debut.
SHOOTIN THE BREEZE, another who will struggle staying the 3m imo
The other 2 have little chance on form...
BUT,,,something has to win it.... not a race for me!
Koi, my take on it fwiw
SURENAGA goes well for this rider but needs good ground and has a double penalty to contend with
BERMUDA BOY will not stay this trip on this ground
PRINCE MASSINI should handle the ground and stay the trip but carries a penalty and rider inexperienced under rules
SHOOTIN THE BREEZE hard to see it staying this under a double penalty
BOB 'N' YOU disappointing under rules but will stay every inch of this. Probably needs better ground but Hilary Parrott now trains instead of Ian Williams and she worked wonders with Wayward Prince. Best jockey in the race and worth a dabble with no penalty.
THE RUBBER MAN looks to have little chance
BOB 'N' YOU for me.
SURENAGA needs good ground
BERMUDA BOY has little chance of staying on the ground & Steve Flooks horses are running too bad to be true.
PRINCE MASSINI has won on soft ground, but its not ideal, may need the run on its seasonal debut.
SHOOTIN THE BREEZE, another who will struggle staying the 3m imo
The other 2 have little chance on form...
BUT,,,something has to win it.... not a race for me!
Koi, my take on it fwiw
SURENAGA goes well for this rider but needs good ground and has a double penalty to contend with
BERMUDA BOY will not stay this trip on this ground
PRINCE MASSINI should handle the ground and stay the trip but carries a penalty and rider inexperienced under rules
SHOOTIN THE BREEZE hard to see it staying this under a double penalty
BOB 'N' YOU disappointing under rules but will stay every inch of this. Probably needs better ground but Hilary Parrott now trains instead of Ian Williams and she worked wonders with Wayward Prince. Best jockey in the race and worth a dabble with no penalty.
THE RUBBER MAN looks to have little chance
BOB 'N' YOU for me.
GL jmdc...Hilary parrot owns the horse as she does Wayward prince...will need to improve its jumping & will hate the ground.....nothing much going for any of the runners, but like I said , something has to win lol
Stewards on yesterdays Hunter..
The Stewards considered the apparent improvement in form of the winner, CURRENT EXCHANGE (IRE), ridden by Mr Tom David and trained by Mrs Edward Crow, compared with its previous run in a point-to-point at Chaddesley Corbett on 28 December 2012, where the gelding was pulled up. They noted the trainer could offer no explanation for the gelding’s improved form. They ordered CURRENT EXCHANGE (IRE) to be routine tested.
Stewards on yesterdays Hunter..
The Stewards considered the apparent improvement in form of the winner, CURRENT EXCHANGE (IRE), ridden by Mr Tom David and trained by Mrs Edward Crow, compared with its previous run in a point-to-point at Chaddesley Corbett on 28 December 2012, where the gelding was pulled up. They noted the trainer could offer no explanation for the gelding’s improved form. They ordered CURRENT EXCHANGE (IRE) to be routine tested.
Wd mate...just shows you how poor a race it was when Bermuda Boy was still there at the end
Very well done jmdc. Excellent call there. I'm sorry I didn't follow your advice.
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