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19 Jan 13
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It is painful, boring, amateurish, and please ditch the touchscreen stuff. I for one would bring the old team back in and ditch Fitz and anyone else without a personality! Loathe McCririck and co if you must, but the programme needs characters. Im afraid the new lot are just the opposite.
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If you are going to make a comment Feltfair, make it worthwhile. "Switch off" is just not good enough. Nothing would ever get changed with your attitude. The programme IMO is bland and worse for the absence of the usual lot. If you dont agree, say so! Flyingbolt doesn't rate McCririck! Now that is a constructive comment re his opinion. If you are going to contribute to the forum at least make it interesting!
I hope Balding doesn't do that striding round the paddock thing like at Ascot. I always worry she's going to knock someone over.... or a horse over.
That is really embarrassing! Could you imagine being in the parade ring having a conversation with connections when CB comes thrusting the mike in your face??
I watch all racing programmes because I love racing and accept the presenters for what they are - presenters. It`s not a popularity contest. To criticise Mick Fitzgerald who has done it all I find unbelievable. Is that interesting enough?
Didn't know Fitzgerald had done it all. That must be why he takes all these part-time jobs.
Glad I had a browse before putting up a similar thread Evil,you said more or less what I was thinking.Today was my first view of the new regime,regardless of the lack of racing it was like a poorly carried out transplant of the BBC to CH4.
Dire,patronising and utterly bereft of anything that would appeal to newbies never mind seasoned racing enthusiasts.
Dire,patronising and utterly bereft of anything that would appeal to newbies never mind seasoned racing enthusiasts.
He might have "done it all".
The fact remains he is embarassing himself every time he opens his mouth on TV.
The fallacy that if you have competed in a sport you are qualified to comment on it has never been so clearly ridiculed as in this case.
Can anyone think of a top jockey who has been a top pundit ?
The fact remains he is embarassing himself every time he opens his mouth on TV.
The fallacy that if you have competed in a sport you are qualified to comment on it has never been so clearly ridiculed as in this case.
Can anyone think of a top jockey who has been a top pundit ?
Who would you like to present, Gary Neville, Will Greenwood, Jeremy Clarkson, James Corden, Eamon Holmes, Natalie Sawyer etc etc?
FF.............Mary Millington,Tommy Cooper,Frankie Howerd and Lance Armstrong would be an improvement.
if you want to be off the wall about presenters, i'd like john gosden
Sorry this negativity wallowing I find tedious. Going to watch the wildebeest on 533.
ffs Feltfair can you be any more stupid ?
I'd like someone who knows what they are talking about.
Once they move away from riding tactics Fitzgerald doesn't.
I'd like someone who knows what they are talking about.
Once they move away from riding tactics Fitzgerald doesn't.
Anyone that believes these shows are ever about assisting or better informing punters really needs to sit down and think about the way this industry is funded, imho...
GT - there are no Newbies. Patronising BBC coverage always directed their product at non-existent Newbies, explaining to us the difference between a grey and a bay, with the likes of Parrott and Wiltshire calling £40,000 bets neglecting to say that if they existed they were trade bets or city ignoramuses on a jolly. They even thought The Croc had some sort of idea about what was going on in a race. And now C4 will do the same with Nick Luck/Clegg middle-aged before his time and the disappointing Fitzgerald who averaged about 50 winners a season, fewer than the best amateurs. At least Henderson's got a chance of being champion trainer again which he was before the catastrophic arrival of Fitzgerald 25 years ago.
As a retiring jockey said "not one of the new team has ever been through the stalls and ridden in a flat race"
FELTFAIR 19 Jan 13 18:16
I watch all racing programmes because I love racing and accept the presenters for what they are - presenters. It`s not a popularity contest. To criticise Mick Fitzgerald who has done it all I find unbelievable. Is that interesting enough?
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He has NOT .... "done it all."
He was an excellent JUMP JOCKEY ...... and THAT is IT.
I watch all racing programmes because I love racing and accept the presenters for what they are - presenters. It`s not a popularity contest. To criticise Mick Fitzgerald who has done it all I find unbelievable. Is that interesting enough?
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He has NOT .... "done it all."
He was an excellent JUMP JOCKEY ...... and THAT is IT.
ffs millhouse it's like a disease with you. Do you ever think about anything other than everybody is trying to stich you up ?
If CH 4 wanted real pundits they could do a lot worse than dig out Paul Haigh and Steve Dennis for in depth informative discussion..........................and have Steve Palmer and Tracksuit Dave alternate weeks to reflect the reality of following Pricewise.Seagull could be wheeled out with Big Mac to explain why.
kipling
I think Mick averaged a bitmore than that in his prime.
If you vcould tell me the "best amateurs" who avweraged more I would be grateful.
TA.
I think Mick averaged a bitmore than that in his prime.
If you vcould tell me the "best amateurs" who avweraged more I would be grateful.
TA.
nick luck always comes across as a smarmy supercillious know it all,most racing presenters have all been fed on silverspoons from an early age,racing is for the well to do not the working man and they only tolerate the plebs because they need them.end of rant!!!
Personally I preferred the BBC coverage so this is better
I do not miss down.mcririck.posh bird or any of the other former gravy train passengers
In an attempt to be constructive here is my choices for what its worth
Steedman.Balding.Turner.Luck.Wiltshire and Bryce
I do not miss down.mcririck.posh bird or any of the other former gravy train passengers
In an attempt to be constructive here is my choices for what its worth
Steedman.Balding.Turner.Luck.Wiltshire and Bryce
flyingbolt, you may be naive to the way this industry works, but whether you like it or not, these programmes are designed to keep punters betting and losing - that way the racing industry, that funds itself through a share in the bookmaking industry's profits, makes more money, and C4, a commercial platform whose objective is ONLY to make a profit, continues to receive betting industry sponsorship and advertising revenue.
The broadcast exists to help its commercial partners remove the money of the people watching - it's not there to make punters' lives easier, which, I would suggest, is why it employs tractable bookmaker mouthpieces, presenters with family links to the racing industry, failed tipsters, and 'pundits' who couldn't make a profit from betting if they had until the end of the century to practice...
The broadcast exists to help its commercial partners remove the money of the people watching - it's not there to make punters' lives easier, which, I would suggest, is why it employs tractable bookmaker mouthpieces, presenters with family links to the racing industry, failed tipsters, and 'pundits' who couldn't make a profit from betting if they had until the end of the century to practice...
the year 2013, and i go back 30 years when presenting and coverage on tv was farsuperior, julian wilson, sir peter , graham rock and lindley on beeb, and lord oaksey, brough, brad gilbert etc on itv, it really was excellrnt imo, and i really enjoyed the radio coverage with peter bromley, fabulous days, and must say royal ascot with eve pollard 
Take out Wilson and O'Sullivan in his dotage and a fair list elis.
Yes I know, millhouse.
You told me last week................and the week before ...............and the week before.............and the week before..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ffs
As for naive....I've been called a lot of things in my time. Some were probably right. Naive isn't
You told me last week................and the week before ...............and the week before.............and the week before..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ffs
As for naive....I've been called a lot of things in my time. Some were probably right. Naive isn't
whatever people may think of wilson, he was a class anchor man, sir peter was the god of commentators
I used to like Graham Rock
Seemed like a really nice bloke.
Knowledgeable but modest and excellent as kettledrum too
Seemed like a really nice bloke.
Knowledgeable but modest and excellent as kettledrum too
forgot about the pitmans, wonderful memories, and the opening music of chelt/ royal ascot on you tube magnificent
Flyingbolt, I post only to try, in the smallest of ways, to make the lives of those seeking to exploit punters harder.
I couldn't give a flying one how entertained you are, frankly...
I couldn't give a flying one how entertained you are, frankly...
Wilson was ALL that summed up the BBC elis,a Tailor shop dummy with a hand up his backside.Tried to be the big man in South Africa btw,despised there more than in UK btw.
Good friend of Jimmy as well.............not Lindley btw.
Good friend of Jimmy as well.............not Lindley btw.
someone like brian dowling would bring a certain flamboyance to the format.he s great on celebrity bb
Lovely to know that you have devoted your life to helping others Saint Millhouse.
HAIL ST MILLHOUSE
Saviour of the punters
HAIL ST MILLHOUSE
Saviour of the punters
What does that mean Peter - that it's OK to lie and cheat as long as you've got enough to get some chips at the end of your shift...?
Millhouse has a valid point tbf,how many actually give a fook about the viewers?
At least Big Mac and Fat Al actually had some passion for the sport and Tanya and Mac turned up at mundane events at Walthamstow.And dont forget,as much as he is an obnoxious,horrible individual...........he did more for racing than the whole old and new team will ever do.
Btw that is Big Mac............not Laz.
At least Big Mac and Fat Al actually had some passion for the sport and Tanya and Mac turned up at mundane events at Walthamstow.And dont forget,as much as he is an obnoxious,horrible individual...........he did more for racing than the whole old and new team will ever do.
Btw that is Big Mac............not Laz.
What exactly did McCririck "do for racing " iyo ?
As for turning up at Walthamstow wtf has that got to do with horse racing ?
As for turning up at Walthamstow wtf has that got to do with horse racing ?
OK Flyingbolt. I'll have to look them up but am cooking at the moment. I guess at least one amateur per season beat the woeful Fitzgerald. It's a shame he followed Dunwoody at Seven Barrows. He'd never be able to live up to that.
they for some reason picked the bbc rejects,when fresh blood was worth a try.
racings a funny sport,you either hate it or love it,theres not much in between so they are going to struggle to get new blood to watch.
going by this thread even their current viewers are not very happy.
should get ruk,we had dave yates today.
racings a funny sport,you either hate it or love it,theres not much in between so they are going to struggle to get new blood to watch.
going by this thread even their current viewers are not very happy.
should get ruk,we had dave yates today.
its appalling,bring back john the stirrer.john parrot was always a good tipster,and opinionated.steve off ruk.
steve off ruk.
I give in to your "superior" knowledge FB...........but just a guess that his concerted efforts to encourage people to go racing might have got a few through the gates.His meeting with the Aintree owners that wanted to build houses on the site when the race was on its last legs is not significant IYO?
If you want to try sarcasm at least have some ammo to negate what I have said,Walthamstow promoted horseracing did it not,had both Mac and Tanya there.............or not?
If you want to try sarcasm at least have some ammo to negate what I have said,Walthamstow promoted horseracing did it not,had both Mac and Tanya there.............or not?
Gone to sleep Flyingbolt?
Just mention his involvement in the TOTE shyte............ring any bells?
Just mention his involvement in the TOTE shyte............ring any bells?
Correct - knot in wood -
Racing is NEVER going to get any NEW followers from Casual Viewers. on terrestrial television.
You 'find' Racing - because you already have an inherent interest within you ....
It does NOT 'find' you.
Racing is NEVER going to get any NEW followers from Casual Viewers. on terrestrial television.
You 'find' Racing - because you already have an inherent interest within you ....
It does NOT 'find' you.
drop the quiz,nobody gives a shyte,dracula,cunningham,how many times will he tip up ,nicholls henderson mc cain,we will have to wait and see,tanya,passed sell by date,pashad,an idiot,gift of the useless gab,les,i cant stand.
Onlooker,ITV found more casual viewers than you could shake a stick at.Saturday afternoon with only 3 channels,the choice being some boring knut describing why algebra is important (BBC2) or table tennis from Ulan Bator (BBC1).
1.01 CH4 had most switch to watch the racing?
1.01 CH4 had most switch to watch the racing?
I was watching Kempton on RUK and C4 and RUK was just as bad, some guy talking drivel about he was not giving away any state secrets when he told us he normally tips the favourite in 2yo races. Some of the RUK presenters are as poor as C4. I found the Naas coverage on ATR the most enjoyable viewing today.
Someone tweeted in a question this morning on the Morning line for Paul Nicholls along the lines of 'now Big Bucks is out what horse would be his best chance now for it?' and Nick Luck asked PN & straight away Nick Luck answered the question "That would be Tidal Bay i'd say Paul" I said to myself I'm sure whatever chance we have of him naming 2 or 3 that might be thrown into the mix that chance is gone now Nick Luck answering the question was a get out of jail card for PN and PN answered "Yeah I'd say so.
There’s a line in JD Salinger’s Catcher in the Rye which goes: ‘Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.’
By Des Lynam telegraph.co.uk
“You’re not so good on ITV” was a criticism I had to contend with when I terminated a long career with the BBC to switch to that organisation some years ago.
Once on Match of the Day we slightly altered the programme’s signature tune but got so much criticism from the viewers we quickly changed it back to the original.
I had the interesting challenge of taking the presenter’s role on Countdown after Richard Whiteley, who had chaired the programme for umpteen years, died. Some fans of the show never forgave me as if I was responsible for the poor man’s demise.
In short, most television viewers do not readily take to change, which brings me to Channel 4 Racing. I know it is early days and their big tests will come later but so far I do not feel as comfortable with their coverage as I did before.
Of course La Balding, whose trails have been shown constantly, has yet to appear regularly. She will bring her new status as national treasure to the proceedings I am sure, but I miss the West Country burr and racing nous of Johnny Francome in particular and, dare I say it, the rantings of John McCririck, who as you have probably read has not gone quietly.
Tanya Stevenson looks strangely lost without her irritating sidekick, a bit like Ernie without Eric, while Mick Fitzgerald has yet to seem as relaxed as he appeared on the BBC.
One part of sports broadcasting that changes little down the years and is all the better for it is radio commentary. I found myself awake in the small hours of Thursday morning, switching on Radio 5 Live and there was the reassuring tone of Jonathan Overend bringing us Andy Murray’s second-round match at the Australian Open. He was ably supported by the former British player Jeremy Bates. I was immediately transported to the heat and blue skies of Melbourne and for an hour or so the world seemed a better place.
The doyen of radio tennis commentators was the late Max Robertson who prided himself on trying to describe every shot played but the listener could not possibly follow where the ball was. Overend has worked out that the trick is not to try to detail every shot but to paint a word picture of the proceedings and the scenes around them which he does exceedingly well.
By the way, it is a bit like suggesting Mother Teresa had her faults, but Ms Balding has tried radio tennis commentary and, put it this way, she is not as good at it as she is at everything else.
Sports commentary on radio began for me back in the Fifties when my father and I got up in the early hours of the morning, just one wireless in the house in those days in the sitting room, to listen to the broadcast from America of the great Rocky Marciano against the British fighter Don Cockell. I was immediately hooked on both boxing and radio.
Radio sports commentary remains a delight, a journey of imagination as the commentator creates the scene and the mood for us but the medium allows our minds to wander as we please. Despite all the gadgets and gizmos of modern life it remains a beautiful constant.
In so many other areas, as Mr Salinger put it, ‘People are always ruining things for you’.
By Des Lynam telegraph.co.uk
“You’re not so good on ITV” was a criticism I had to contend with when I terminated a long career with the BBC to switch to that organisation some years ago.
Once on Match of the Day we slightly altered the programme’s signature tune but got so much criticism from the viewers we quickly changed it back to the original.
I had the interesting challenge of taking the presenter’s role on Countdown after Richard Whiteley, who had chaired the programme for umpteen years, died. Some fans of the show never forgave me as if I was responsible for the poor man’s demise.
In short, most television viewers do not readily take to change, which brings me to Channel 4 Racing. I know it is early days and their big tests will come later but so far I do not feel as comfortable with their coverage as I did before.
Of course La Balding, whose trails have been shown constantly, has yet to appear regularly. She will bring her new status as national treasure to the proceedings I am sure, but I miss the West Country burr and racing nous of Johnny Francome in particular and, dare I say it, the rantings of John McCririck, who as you have probably read has not gone quietly.
Tanya Stevenson looks strangely lost without her irritating sidekick, a bit like Ernie without Eric, while Mick Fitzgerald has yet to seem as relaxed as he appeared on the BBC.
One part of sports broadcasting that changes little down the years and is all the better for it is radio commentary. I found myself awake in the small hours of Thursday morning, switching on Radio 5 Live and there was the reassuring tone of Jonathan Overend bringing us Andy Murray’s second-round match at the Australian Open. He was ably supported by the former British player Jeremy Bates. I was immediately transported to the heat and blue skies of Melbourne and for an hour or so the world seemed a better place.
The doyen of radio tennis commentators was the late Max Robertson who prided himself on trying to describe every shot played but the listener could not possibly follow where the ball was. Overend has worked out that the trick is not to try to detail every shot but to paint a word picture of the proceedings and the scenes around them which he does exceedingly well.
By the way, it is a bit like suggesting Mother Teresa had her faults, but Ms Balding has tried radio tennis commentary and, put it this way, she is not as good at it as she is at everything else.
Sports commentary on radio began for me back in the Fifties when my father and I got up in the early hours of the morning, just one wireless in the house in those days in the sitting room, to listen to the broadcast from America of the great Rocky Marciano against the British fighter Don Cockell. I was immediately hooked on both boxing and radio.
Radio sports commentary remains a delight, a journey of imagination as the commentator creates the scene and the mood for us but the medium allows our minds to wander as we please. Despite all the gadgets and gizmos of modern life it remains a beautiful constant.
In so many other areas, as Mr Salinger put it, ‘People are always ruining things for you’.
Andy's horses will be moving soon,correct what you said AD.Nick "Luck" like a chocolate tea pot.
The great original "Languid",Des.
Similar to the greatest ever unbiased commentator that ever lived,Bill McClaren............Holt and his ilk will never come close.imvho
And I do rate Simon btw.
Similar to the greatest ever unbiased commentator that ever lived,Bill McClaren............Holt and his ilk will never come close.imvho
And I do rate Simon btw.
what "des" is trying to say is..
he cannot stand balding.
and he dont rate fitzgerald.
he cannot stand balding.
and he dont rate fitzgerald.
Mick dosnt need to prove himself,anyone who knows the game knows that..,could listen to him all day,even his opinion on flat horses is more quantified than some of the kretins on here that would have you believe they were beyond judgement....and he enjoys a pint or two,so all in he can stay on the c4 team for me.
Is there a danger of Balding being mounted by a jockey in the parade ring?
Mubtaker,he does need to prove himself.
Like yourself he is not (your words) quantified on flat hearses or croutons,pints are fine btw.
Like yourself he is not (your words) quantified on flat hearses or croutons,pints are fine btw.
mubtaker - seconded, thirded and right the way down the line. GT-MOLE 'he does need to prove himself'. Where've you been?
Yesterday was the first time I have watched CH4(for months) Dewey,Mick was totally out of his comfort zone.
National Hunt I have no problem with Mick,he might even have thrived with the old line up given time.
With this new shower/his old muckers.........disaster.
Chimps have been trained to use a touch screen better than that lot and Mick just does not fit in and never will if they carry on a sterile,self serving show like yesterday.Worse than the old but at least Mick would have found a niche eventually with them,once Balding shows her fat,supercilious a£$ they might as well all pack their bags.
I will offer anyone evens to any money CH4 viewing figures rise for a month and then plummet bar the "Festival" meetings.
National Hunt I have no problem with Mick,he might even have thrived with the old line up given time.
With this new shower/his old muckers.........disaster.
Chimps have been trained to use a touch screen better than that lot and Mick just does not fit in and never will if they carry on a sterile,self serving show like yesterday.Worse than the old but at least Mick would have found a niche eventually with them,once Balding shows her fat,supercilious a£$ they might as well all pack their bags.
I will offer anyone evens to any money CH4 viewing figures rise for a month and then plummet bar the "Festival" meetings.
And I will offer you evens to any money - that it won't make any difference.
Think we can safely assume that Mick Fitzgerald's script for the program was to be a Sea The Stars fan and would have watched a re-run of the Arc prior to going on air - in fact, perhaps just a re-run of the last few furlongs as no mention was made of the task that Kinane was faced with trying to settle him in the early stages, which was one of the lasting memories of that race.
Dire production today.
Dire production today.
Boring boring boring. No pizzazz and they miss Franks and certainly Big Mac whether you like latter or not because he livens it up when things become tedious.
I think that looking at the overall response on this topic it is safe to say that the vast majority dont like the new set up! Words like " bland, boring and painful" seem to be the most used description of this dire programme. Many a reasoned argument put forward on both sides, but as we are ALL racing fans I reckon "SWITCH OFF" is definitely NOT amongst them. It is a racing programme and is there primarlily for racing fans. Therefore "switching off" is an utterly negative response. I want to see the programme back to something like it used to be. Everv since the Guest Test slot ( as I call it that period) when the programme took one almighty backward step into the abyss, it has steadily gone even lower. All this touch screen stuff?? Is that supposed to be what we all want?? I cannot speak for you but its not for me! It IS dross in my opinion , and I sincerely hope they go back to basics, AND SOON!
how could you make a programme from the all weather on kempton interesting? trouble is we on here are all die hard fans who know as much as those presenting and do not need the dumbing down which seems to always light the touchpaper
The Kempton aw preview ML shows the problem. For a start, the programme was cut in half.
Racing fans, many with jobs during the week, watch the Morning Line primarily for a preview of that afternoon's racing, and if Kempton is the only meeting, then the ML should cover Kempton and not turn up its collective nose because Ascot has been snowed off.
The Morning Line's model should be Football Focus. Review the past week; preview this afternoon; emphasis on the latter. Do not "bring on the dancing girls" to try to convert non-racing fans who are not watching anyway.
The afternoon programme should also ape the football. Show us what is happening; tell us what is happening. Do not assume that an audience which has tuned in to watch horseracing will be bored by the sight of horses in the paddock or going down to the start. Show us more: more camera angles; better, specialist pundits; more imaginative graphics. But remember we want to watch the racing.
Racing fans, many with jobs during the week, watch the Morning Line primarily for a preview of that afternoon's racing, and if Kempton is the only meeting, then the ML should cover Kempton and not turn up its collective nose because Ascot has been snowed off.
The Morning Line's model should be Football Focus. Review the past week; preview this afternoon; emphasis on the latter. Do not "bring on the dancing girls" to try to convert non-racing fans who are not watching anyway.
The afternoon programme should also ape the football. Show us what is happening; tell us what is happening. Do not assume that an audience which has tuned in to watch horseracing will be bored by the sight of horses in the paddock or going down to the start. Show us more: more camera angles; better, specialist pundits; more imaginative graphics. But remember we want to watch the racing.
EVILROYSLADE 20 Jan 13 10:43
I think that looking at the overall response on this topic it is safe to say that the vast majority dont like the new set up! Words like " bland, boring and painful" seem to be the most used description of this dire programme. Many a reasoned argument put forward on both sides, but as we are ALL racing fans I reckon "SWITCH OFF" is definitely NOT amongst them. It is a racing programme and is there primarlily for racing fans. Therefore "switching off" is an utterly negative response. I want to see the programme back to something like it used to be. Everv since the Guest Test slot ( as I call it that period) when the programme took one almighty backward step into the abyss, it has steadily gone even lower. All this touch screen stuff?? Is that supposed to be what we all want?? I cannot speak for you but its not for me! It IS dross in my opinion , and I sincerely hope they go back to basics, AND SOON!
agreed
I think that looking at the overall response on this topic it is safe to say that the vast majority dont like the new set up! Words like " bland, boring and painful" seem to be the most used description of this dire programme. Many a reasoned argument put forward on both sides, but as we are ALL racing fans I reckon "SWITCH OFF" is definitely NOT amongst them. It is a racing programme and is there primarlily for racing fans. Therefore "switching off" is an utterly negative response. I want to see the programme back to something like it used to be. Everv since the Guest Test slot ( as I call it that period) when the programme took one almighty backward step into the abyss, it has steadily gone even lower. All this touch screen stuff?? Is that supposed to be what we all want?? I cannot speak for you but its not for me! It IS dross in my opinion , and I sincerely hope they go back to basics, AND SOON!
agreed
more chance of balding being mounted by a colt than a jockey
verbotene good shout re Sea The Stars. Fitzgerald still hasn't copped that the horse was purposely buried to settle it. Anyhow I'd much rather watch the old Big Match on Sat morning's now. No teamwork whatsoever on C4 racing, all trying to be clever and all out for themselves.
Channel 4 missed a golden opportunity when redoing there team.
They should of employed Lydia off the racing channel imo.
They should of employed Lydia off the racing channel imo.
Think she's got more sense/self respect than to join the C4 shower !
What the team needs is someone with vast racing knowledge,plenty of presenting experience and enthusiasm, plus a good rapport with the general public.The name Thompson springs to mind.
GT-MOLE.....regarding Bill Mclaren being a great unbiased commentator....I think you will find he was greatly biased against Rugby League.
artie ...too much time on your hands ;surely you can get a gig opening an Aldi somewhere.
from millhouse
flyingbolt, you may be naive to the way this industry works, but whether you like it or not, these programmes are designed to keep punters betting and losing - that way the racing industry, that funds itself through a share in the bookmaking industry's profits, makes more money, and C4, a commercial platform whose objective is ONLY to make a profit, continues to receive betting industry sponsorship and advertising revenue.
The broadcast exists to help its commercial partners remove the money of the people watching - it's not there to make punters' lives easier, which, I would suggest, is why it employs tractable bookmaker mouthpieces, presenters with family links to the racing industry, failed tipsters, and 'pundits' who couldn't make a profit from betting if they had until the end of the century to practice...
Millhouse you cant get something that wrong
profit from 108 weeks morning line bets from readily availiable prices thanks to one of the bests threads ever on here by dr feelgood
Tipster Stake Return +/- ROI %
Jim McGrath 6020 9403.29 + 3383.29 + 56.2
John Francome 6460 8670.00 + 2210.00 + 34.2
Guest 14555 16310.32+ 1755.32 + 12.1
Mike Cattermole 1960 3316.17 + 1356.17 + 69.2
Lesley Graham 1920 3081.00 + 1161.00 + 60.5
Nick Luck 9150 9701.26 + 551.26 + 6.0
Tom Lee 2000 2046.25 + 46.25 + 2.3
Alice Plunkett 1080 1087.50 + 7.50 + 0.7
Richard Hoiles 1075 1046.88 - 28.12 - 2.6
Alastair Down 570 480.00 - 90.00 - 15.8
Simon Holt 2550 2227.50 - 322.50 - 12.6
Stewart Machin 1650 1235.63 - 414.37 - 25.1
Emma Spencer 2000 1514.20 - 485.80 - 24.3
Derek Thompson 1300 215.63 - 1084.37 - 83.4
Tanya's Beds 8295 6594.77 - 1700.23 - 20.5
TOTALS 60585 66930.40 + 6345.40 + 10.5
flyingbolt, you may be naive to the way this industry works, but whether you like it or not, these programmes are designed to keep punters betting and losing - that way the racing industry, that funds itself through a share in the bookmaking industry's profits, makes more money, and C4, a commercial platform whose objective is ONLY to make a profit, continues to receive betting industry sponsorship and advertising revenue.
The broadcast exists to help its commercial partners remove the money of the people watching - it's not there to make punters' lives easier, which, I would suggest, is why it employs tractable bookmaker mouthpieces, presenters with family links to the racing industry, failed tipsters, and 'pundits' who couldn't make a profit from betting if they had until the end of the century to practice...
Millhouse you cant get something that wrong
profit from 108 weeks morning line bets from readily availiable prices thanks to one of the bests threads ever on here by dr feelgood
Tipster Stake Return +/- ROI %
Jim McGrath 6020 9403.29 + 3383.29 + 56.2
John Francome 6460 8670.00 + 2210.00 + 34.2
Guest 14555 16310.32+ 1755.32 + 12.1
Mike Cattermole 1960 3316.17 + 1356.17 + 69.2
Lesley Graham 1920 3081.00 + 1161.00 + 60.5
Nick Luck 9150 9701.26 + 551.26 + 6.0
Tom Lee 2000 2046.25 + 46.25 + 2.3
Alice Plunkett 1080 1087.50 + 7.50 + 0.7
Richard Hoiles 1075 1046.88 - 28.12 - 2.6
Alastair Down 570 480.00 - 90.00 - 15.8
Simon Holt 2550 2227.50 - 322.50 - 12.6
Stewart Machin 1650 1235.63 - 414.37 - 25.1
Emma Spencer 2000 1514.20 - 485.80 - 24.3
Derek Thompson 1300 215.63 - 1084.37 - 83.4
Tanya's Beds 8295 6594.77 - 1700.23 - 20.5
TOTALS 60585 66930.40 + 6345.40 + 10.5
know all....no wonder artie has gone quiet -83.4%..would be interested to know how he justifies his tipping line scam with results like that
once a week charity bets doesn't equal a profitable long term betting strategy. Need to be able to do it day in day out every day and show you can make a living out of it. That's the true test !
Once a week charity bets are good enough for a once a week programme imo.
facts and millhouse must be one of the same
once a week charity bets doesn't equal a profitable long term betting strategy. Need to be able to do it day in day out every day and show you can make a living out of it. That's the true test !
it dont matter how you do it once a week 5 times a week a profit is a profit
Those figures are a revelation
once a week charity bets doesn't equal a profitable long term betting strategy. Need to be able to do it day in day out every day and show you can make a living out of it. That's the true test !
it dont matter how you do it once a week 5 times a week a profit is a profit
Those figures are a revelation
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