Barney im sorry mate but you are so wrong about your economy statement. Thats the garbage you are being peddled. The truth is the oopposite to that. Why do you think you would end up with the oil revenue for a start. Also scottsih people get more from the goverment per capita than english people.

I am British and proud of it. Part Irish, part English , but BRITISH!!

you are the one who was going on about living in fields but i realise you are just on the wind up and don't really understand the issues so  we will make allowances.

Salmond is a politician so by definition pompous/self seeking/vain and probably untruthful so he really should do ok,but honestly is he any better or worse than Dodgy/Cleggbite/Ed Millstone they are all the same,the thing is if they are based in Edinburgh the is nowhere to hide unlike London,also we have a very small population therefore much easier to handle.

Alongside the Scots the whole of the UK should get a vote. They would vote to stay and the rest would vote to get rid of them. maybe then they would see where they stand.

ok i will bite. if the westminster governments own figures show that Scotland contributed 9.4% of UK public sector revenue and received 9.3% of total UK public sector expenditure, including a per capita share of UK debt interest payments then how exactly is London "supporting" the country?

Did you read Georgebaker Scotland excluding oil contributes 9.75% in return gets 9.3%?? so where is especially the Scots in that equation or do you just totally dis-regard the relevant facts,where do you stand on the self determination argument as most English people are against European diktat,would you like to be governed by someone other than English people?I very much doubt it so why are you so against us Scots governing ourselves,instead of being against you should be offering us every assistance especially as you say you are subsidising us.About 40yrs ago the Harold Wilson gov commissioned an inquiry into how Scotland would fare if going independant the conclusion that it would be around the top 5 of the richest countries in Europe and in the top 15 in the world the results were obviously witheld,the person that sat on it was the Secretary of state for Scotland W Ross no surprise there then,the question is why are you so against any country obtaining self determination?

Northanlite only argument/question what does anyone have against another nation governing their own country.

Aberdonia you are right upto a point,yes there is abject poverty and not only in the Eastend,it is an abject poverty of "heart and soul" never mind material and it serves our "glorious" Labour Party very well indeed,most of these people have known only one way in this life utter poverty it is bred into them they are "hens in a coop" and forgive them because they know no better,no one gives a toss about them or how they live/die excepting when their vote is needed,we need a government that is strong and truthful and will radically deal with the problems affecting all of our country,I don,t have much faith in any political party up here and certainly none down in the cesspit that is Westminster but if we do not "go for it" we will be a "busted flush" for sure.I do not see any star on the horizon for England,how stark is this choice stick with Dodgy/wee geordie or another dose of "Labour" under "millstone/balls" terminal surely.

All the arguments fats/figs projections/rejections likes/dis-likes preferences/prejudices the core of the matter is  self determination why shouldn,t Scotland and the Scots have it if as is perceived we are pariahs surely you would be well rid of us or is there something that THEY know.We are a different race we have differing views no better no worse but we should have our own government our own way of dealing with matters that affect us.

dave1357...

You are a woolly minded liberal that should only be able to post about important things in life like horse meat being found in Tesco burgers.Barred !! That is all the likes of you can come up with.OH YOU CANNOT READ MY POSTS..

Incidentally I do not hate the Scots and have many Scottish friends.Sent, a good post.Why not join up with Eire as well and call yourself  um um um..

The Celtic Tiger....

See where that gets you...

of course the Scottish can have their independence if they want it

it's not about that, it's about a series of questions concerning defence, allocation of resources, EU membership, border control etc etc

These questions have to be tackled head on and agreed between all parties

Of course swift-tuttle but these issues need not be a hurdle or any issue for that matter, collaboration not confrontation mutual respect for one and other and a shared goal that both countries acting independantly of one and other can work for the benefit of all in these Islands,it can be done.

We are aware of all that Homefortea he is a politician ffs so by definition "a ****" name me one who isn,t,England is a naturally conservative country no probs with that because Labour new or otherwise have proved themselves incapable of government,once elected and serving in westminster they fall over themselves to bow to the establishment,part of the reason that we Scotland that is haven,t progressed is that we continually elect labour politicians who at the drop of a hat scarper down to London to join in the shenanigans and ignoring the people who so foolishly sent them there,they are then just"grist to the mill"The last "Speaker of the House" was from my area of North Glasgow Springburn a poor area,what do they see their elected M.O.P. flouncing around like a f---ing pantomime dame making a complete fool of himself and his constituents,they even gave him the moniker of "Gorbals Mick" Gorbals being on the other side of the city ffs,they then go and elect another "enterprising" labour MP what chance do you have,if these shower of p---ks are at least ensconced in Edinburgh we can keep a "weather eye" on them,we are a very small country that could be very easily governed we do not have the same problems that England face and there is no doubt that we eventually would prosper and maybe England would as well without us.

homeforturds - no one is interested in your opinion.  You are nothing to the elite in england and nothing north of the border.  Just get back under your rock and stfu.

Homefortea everyone/every area contributes to a country some more some less the knack isto get everyone pulling to-gether for the greater good,we are abundant in most things people not being one these so harnessing the inherent intelligence of Scots it shouldn,t be too difficult to set ourselves on the right path,we are 5ml people this is less than most of Eanglands major urban sprawls I would imagine,we should drop all political parties and elect a house or senate of representatives of proven worth who,s main goal in life would be to serve their country to the best of their ability,there is no hiding place up here and if they are incapable or prove to be dis-honest out with them,there is so much that could be done in Scotland  for Scotland and the rest of Britain it is just getting the right people to carry this through.

Live in hope die in vain Homefortea.

i have no problem with the scots leaving the union , as long as we the rest of the union dont bank roll it , if they wish to stand on their own fine , it pisses me off when i go for a presciption knowing i am paying for it while the rest of the uk dont ,

not you stopper