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1 Alan Berry.
2 Tim Fitzgerald.
3 Amanda Perrett.
4 John Hills.
5 Nicky Richards.
6 Robert Mills.
7 Keith Reveley.
8 John Ryan.
9 Mark Rimmell.
10 Gay Kelleway.
2 Tim Fitzgerald.
3 Amanda Perrett.
4 John Hills.
5 Nicky Richards.
6 Robert Mills.
7 Keith Reveley.
8 John Ryan.
9 Mark Rimmell.
10 Gay Kelleway.
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Keith Reveley isn't a bad trainer imo. Would agree with the rest.
Amanda Perret is the worst by far, primarily coz she actually wants to be a success. Tim Fitz couldn't give 2 fux about training 
Alan Berry couldn't train a fly to land on a piece of sh1t.
maybe, not has good has is dad,but certainly doesn't fit the thread.
mark rimell's parents weren't in racing and never trained, but I agree with the sentiments.
fred and mercy were grandparents.
fred and mercy were grandparents.
If you twisted my arm i'd have to say Adrian Wintle but not had much chance to shine as yet!
Used to think young Pipe was a bit wet behind the ears,not any more.
Young Pipe has very loyal owners...spent a fortune of their money with very little in return.
13 year old thread but very much one that can be continued.
Would never include Nicky Richards in any such list. The northern circuit was markedly on the decline when he took over at Greystoke and he’s very adept, and old fashionedly patient in the placing of his horses - has had more than his fair share of bad luck with some promising types picking up injury or worse just, as they were progressing up the ladder. However, there has been a recent one where the patient approach probably pssed off the owner - Getaway Frankie, ran two stinkers on his two starts over hurdles, looking like he lacked schooling on the first run, then was moved to Tristan Davidson and won at 40/1 - these three runs all in the space of less than two months.
Alan Berry actually did OK in his first couple of seasons, the drop off not too dramatic, though admittedly his father probably still had a big input at that early stage.
Tim Fitzgerald took over the remains of an operation that had long had its day and there was literally nothing equine wise for him to oversee. The significant owners with the yard had long moved or passed away.
I see Paul Webber got in at number 12 - a truly shocking trainer, befitting that the ageing oddball Roger Waters patronised the yard.
Would never include Nicky Richards in any such list. The northern circuit was markedly on the decline when he took over at Greystoke and he’s very adept, and old fashionedly patient in the placing of his horses - has had more than his fair share of bad luck with some promising types picking up injury or worse just, as they were progressing up the ladder. However, there has been a recent one where the patient approach probably pssed off the owner - Getaway Frankie, ran two stinkers on his two starts over hurdles, looking like he lacked schooling on the first run, then was moved to Tristan Davidson and won at 40/1 - these three runs all in the space of less than two months.
Alan Berry actually did OK in his first couple of seasons, the drop off not too dramatic, though admittedly his father probably still had a big input at that early stage.
Tim Fitzgerald took over the remains of an operation that had long had its day and there was literally nothing equine wise for him to oversee. The significant owners with the yard had long moved or passed away.
I see Paul Webber got in at number 12 - a truly shocking trainer, befitting that the ageing oddball Roger Waters patronised the yard.
I believe charlie hills is a poor trainer compared to his father , his horses have no consistency and many run like drains
Also I'd say Tom george son the one gone to france to train , it's beyond me how top owners give him horses, he wouldn't train ivy up a wall
Bad horses will make you look a bad trainer.
One thing I learned about trainers is they cant
Make them go quicker, but some of them make
Em slower ?
One thing I learned about trainers is they cant
Make them go quicker, but some of them make
Em slower ?
Juddmonte don't appear to support Charlie Hills any more why is that? Khalid Abdullah probably supported his father 3 decades +
Tilsit won a Group 2 for them in 2021 but I have never seen a runer for them in last 2 or 3 seasons.
Tilsit won a Group 2 for them in 2021 but I have never seen a runer for them in last 2 or 3 seasons.
Noticed from one of the early posts someone put up James Moffatt. Firstly i can't recall who his parents were as trainers and secondly he's very good.
Jack Channon will never enter that list, I am in awe of his strike rate considering the quality of animal he has in the stable.
Nostalgic loving thread partly with little or no substance for criticism in the main 
Cardinal, when I see a Channon horse
In a decent race, I look to immediately oppose it
It was the same with his old man’s horses
In a decent race, I look to immediately oppose it
It was the same with his old man’s horses
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