so on what basis WOULD you compare Sprinter Sacre and Captain Conan?

if Captain Conan had run in the Tingle Creek where would he have finished if he ran the identical race to the one he actually did in his race today? and why?

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I agree, you could try and compare them through Hurdle marks etc....A rough estimate would put CC at 145-148.
Estimating Novices at this point especially novices with no decent speed figure is impossible. Literally 50-50 that they are good or they are over rated

Ratings are subjective for me e.g SS beat Kumbeshwar 20L in a race K was never put in to win, my view is if SS was ridden alongside K in a head to head he could easily have taken 20+L out of K on the run in only so any attempt to quantify their respective performances when they for all purposes didnt run in the same race seems ridiculous....hopes this makes some sense.

because there are a number of doubts about the performances of various runners in the Tingle Creek AND we have another race run on the same C&D it seems at least useful to use the comparison between the two races to see if there are any useful conclusions that can be drawn at this point

of course we will know much more once they have all run again but I want to be able to come to an opinion, based on something concrete, today that I can then measure later. If that then proves accurate I might be able to make a useful betting decision in future races.

This is the whole point of any ratings - to attempt to quantify performances as accurately as possible (always bearing in mind that they can be altered). Now you might argue the method but the intention is valuable for sure. And after many years of using speed ratings I have confidence in the times as a reliable guide.

Btw he beat sh1t in a sh1t time.

Maybe Born with a twin..........he wasnt wrong though for the TTF because every muppet has him in their lists.hth

why cant you people believe what you see with your own eyes ss done what he had to do today an murdered a fairly decent horse in sanctuaire without breaking sweat he also put al ferov in his place in the same fashion last year i think youl find trainers runnin scared of him this year an although it will make for a poor queen mother turn out im afraid the race is already at his mercy

glossy if sizing europe does turn out for the race then true it will add a bit of intrest however im not entirely convinced they wont go down theryannair route with him also im sure mr henderson knows exactly where he stands with him having trained his conqueror finnians rainbow last year

Sizing is KG bound.hth

So because he runs in the KG he won't run in the QM GT?

Just didn't see the relevance of your comment in that case.

Sizing is KG bound.hth

Once the -15 factor kicks in, in a couple of weeks the Irish horses will be house bound.

All this debate about Sprinter Sacre is subjective until he is tested by Sizing Europe in the Queen Mother. Even then excuses could easily be made for the horses beaten. The debate will go on and on.

My question is how would Sizing Europe and Sprinter Sacre compare on a 2 mile NH race? Which one would have more flat pace? Could we say Sizing Europe perhaps as he was the superior hurdler.

So why wouldn`t Sizing Europe be able to keep up with Sprinter Sacre over fences? both fences very well. Sanctuare race was ruined yesterday. He ran with the choke out, so how can we equate Sprinter Sacre with a rating from yesterdays race. Visually awesome but the form needs to be backed up.

S.Sacre won in 13.30 seconds outside the standard time,this indicates Good to Soft ground on the Chase track. 13 Fences in under 4 minutes and won Easily!.
On his Second race over fences,The Novice C.Conan was only 19.30 seconds outside standard over the same C+D.
Perhaps the Rails had also been moved?.