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ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS AT HAYDOCK
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Wassy - It is not for the person whom is having something negotiated on their behalf (in hindsight many did'nt even know what was being negotiated on their behalf) to approach the negotiator/s
I am sure you will agree more the job of the negotiators to come to the rank and file, If it had been flashed up in lights prior to the association's meetings that you describe what was being discussed then many more would have attended I am sure you will agree. Adge's suggestion of the Forum opening up ASAP is massive progress then move on to the next step to email round an agenda for forthcoming meetings to all members, that way they can see what is being discussed and make a decision as to if to attend. This is the 21st century now after all |
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Understand what you are saying guys and no offence taken demo, you know me :) These were extraordinary circumstances as it was unclear on either side what we actually had bought going in to the negotiations, although the Select Committee agreed it was 'something' and that 'something' could not just be nicked off us.
Putting stuff on here was difficult as we believe the racecourses read every word we put down so a forum, even password protected, was considered too dangerous. The negotiators were trying to find areas of broad agreement. We would have been happier to recommend a contract a year or so ago but there are two sides to a negotiation. |
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Is that a hint of a concession there wassy that the agreement could have been different as in better perhaps ? Your views on where we go from here would be of interest - I trust it will not be 'we've made our bed and we'll have to lie on it' ! While we are at it 'Do the racecourses really want bookmakers?' If the answer is not a million percent 'yes' the 50 year tenure concession is not worth the paper it is written on !!
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Of course the 'agreement' could have been better. We would always be happier paying less and getting longer tenure. Do the racecourses want bookmakers? They will all answer yes to that, guess you have to make your own minds up on whether its true or not. Some I'm sure do, the others would get a shock at the fall in attendances if we werent there to provide atmosphere and colour!
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What I was getting at was that if we could have concluded the negotiations earlier it would have given bookmakers more time to negotiate their own deal if they weren't happy. Unfortunately a year ago the 2 sides were miles apart and I don't think the bookmakers would have been very happy with what was on offer!
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I am also noting with interest the prices being achieved by the positions going through the auction. Some people dont think these pitches are unworkable at the terms on offer.
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If Ranleigh were our legal advisers no wonder the agreements seem to overwhelmingly favour a relatively small group of members.The RCA have always played a delaying game and when this became apparent we should have taken legal action against the RCA.
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Were you not happy with Ranelagh then chatto? Would you have taken legal action against the RCA if our legal advisors advised against it?
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Let me guess preferred T&Cs.Top 10 picks pay £500 per day,Martyn of leicester should pay a grand though for obvious reasons.All picks from his down to the car park pay a fiver.
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Come off it Harry the cr*p pitches still expected to pay a fiver ? Now that would be 'money without work' !!
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The cr@p pitches are fetching more than their reserve at auction currently. Interesting.
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Does that mean the reserve is too low or that with no sales for such a long time means there is a demand to be satisfied ?
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Could be either. The reserves seem plenty high enough to me.
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now i know what the lot of you are doing all day long while a few of us [ too many today ] are out in the wind and rain and cold watching one favourite followed by another come home first , then get stuck in traffic trying to get home.
we have a NBPA directors meeting on sunday with our new NAB president travelling up for a chat . i have noted some points raised [ more welcome ] , we do consider having closer ties with our northern racecourses which is welcmed by both sides and i do intend making far more of our website which has been stagnent for too long , already being implemented but i don't have the technical knowhow myself i won today btw |
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how many books today adge and how was buisness
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i think there were 28 books.in fairness wetherby is one of my best pitches so was good business [ 506 slips ] but most would say it was poor as the weather deterioated rapidly during the afternoon
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SPOKE TO A BOOKMAKER WHO ATTENDED THE MEETING WITH STRATFORD RACECOURSE(STANDS IN A PROMINENT PITCH)WHEN I ASKED HOW THE MEETING WENT HIS REPLY WAS "VERY CONSTRUCTIVE"WITH THE RACECOURSE "REALLY MAKING AN EFFORT"I THEN ASKED WHAT WAS THE BEST THING THEY PUT ON THE TABLE TO WHICH THE REPLY WAS"WITH THE MARKETING FEE CASH THEY ARE GOING TO PUT A PAGE IN THE RACE CARD(WHICH VERY FEW BUY)TO SHOW PUNTERS HOW TO BET WITH BOOKMAKERS"
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The favs win and adge wins - there's a surprise !! The habits of his 'rep' are rubbing off on him. As for 'the marketing fee' picking up on TRUTH's point - it's either a big con. or a
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continued - serious attempt by the racecourses to enhance bookmakers' business - only time will tell. Once again another element of 'the agreement' that should be reviewed in time to assess whether it is justified.
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continued - serious attempt by the racecourses to enhance bookmakers' business - only time will tell. Once again another element of 'the agreement' that should be reviewed in time to assess whether it is justified.
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Not a good day with the keyboard ! Aaaagh
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charlie hall day...a good punter card [ small fields and poor odds percentages ]not a bookmaker card
was much busier two or three years ago but still a cracking day for business , ruby did his best to ruin it as the punters charged in heads down for his two what annoys me is punters who fail to act like gentlemen. we took a grand bet on the big winner at 11/10 and checking the bundle while the race was run found only £920. we bundled it back together and when he collected gave him his bundle back and 1100 counted out of mine. he put the 1100 straight in his pocket and proceeded to count the bundle....then turned away and said nothing....lets all other gentleman punters down. anyway enjoyed the day , level of business and general atmosphere....taking six days off now until next saturday |
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You should have only paid the punter his £920 + his winnings of £1012
He's ended up getting 6/5 to his money Don't do it again - you'll give bookies a bad name |
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agreed - make the ring bizzy earn his money, you can always get hold of him when a NH race is taking place
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Gives me an idea for the old "bundle of newspaper between 2 £20 notes" jape.
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adge • November 3, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
I am astounded that having, 'checked the bundle', you did not challenge him when he came up to draw! I would have paid him 11/10 to his £920 as 545APG previously stated! Alan, you are a very naughty boy! |
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I shall have all my back bets with you in future adge - let nobody say these Yorkshire people are tight with money - adge has proved different !
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THE TROUBLE WITH ADGES POSITION IS ONCE HE ACCEPTS THE BET,GIVES THE PUNTER HIS TICKET,AND DOESNT INFORM THE RING BIZZIE BEFORE THE RACE HAS CONCLUDED THEN HE HASNT GOT A LEG TO STAND ON,OTHER THAN CONFRONTING THE PUNTER WHO WILL SWEAR ON HIS MOTHERS LIFE THAT HE PAYED THE CORRECT STAKE.WE ALL KNOW AS ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS U ARE FAIR GAME TO BE RIPPED OFF AS HAS BEEN SEEN WITH THE RACECOURSE NEGOTIATIONS
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THETRUTHHURTS,
Good point! You must always inform the AGT ring official! That's if you can find the little c*nt! |
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always keep their phone numbers in your mobile, it saves a lot of hassle
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I KNOW HILLS ARE TERRIFIED OF LAYING A BET,BUT I THINK HAVING ALL THE PUNTERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS IS OUTRAGEOUS.
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THETRUTHHURTS • November 4, 2012 11:18 AM GMT
I KNOW HILLS ARE TERRIFIED OF LAYING A BET,BUT I THINK HAVING ALL THE PUNTERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS IS OUTRAGEOUS. |
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"IT SAVES A LOT OF HASSLE" WHEN THEY TRY TO GET ON THOUGH
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takes customer service to a new level though
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