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Betting machines: Flashing lights and allure of a 'magnet for violence'
Betting shop staff say they hate the machines. They complain their hours are being increased to keep milking customers who are ‘mesmerised’ by the flashing lights of fixed-odds betting terminals.
They say the machines are magnets for violence and antisocial behaviour. Stores often open at 7:30am and don’t close until 10pm. Many staff say they are left alone and have to deal with fights over losses and debts.
One worker said: ‘I see the violence first-hand. I would say about 50 per cent of the people in my store are unemployed and many have drug and debt problems.
‘We also see a lot of violence and anti-social behaviour. People kick the machines and spit at them. Sometimes it is directed against me.’
Another worker added: ‘FOBTs have brought anti-social behaviour into betting shops. I’ve seen many examples of machines getting smashed up. There is a misconception that staff are in control of machine payouts and punters frequently vent their anger at them.’
Staff say that if they make a mistake, they are fired because there are plenty more workers to take their place.
‘As long as they are seen to be doing something, they (senior managers) are ok throwing staff under a bus,’ said one former worker. Staff say conditions are likely to get worse in the run-up to Christmas.
Poorer punters without jobs see gambling as the only way they have a chance to get cash for the presents their friends and family want. When they lose, it’s staff that deal with the fallout.
Rowenna Davis is a councillor for the London borough of Southwark and a campaigner against the proliferation of betting shops.
Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2220636/Betting-machines-Flashing-lights-allure-magnet-violence.html#ixzz2A3lkznG9
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Betting shop staff say they hate the machines. They complain their hours are being increased to keep milking customers who are ‘mesmerised’ by the flashing lights of fixed-odds betting terminals.
They say the machines are magnets for violence and antisocial behaviour. Stores often open at 7:30am and don’t close until 10pm. Many staff say they are left alone and have to deal with fights over losses and debts.
One worker said: ‘I see the violence first-hand. I would say about 50 per cent of the people in my store are unemployed and many have drug and debt problems.
‘We also see a lot of violence and anti-social behaviour. People kick the machines and spit at them. Sometimes it is directed against me.’
Another worker added: ‘FOBTs have brought anti-social behaviour into betting shops. I’ve seen many examples of machines getting smashed up. There is a misconception that staff are in control of machine payouts and punters frequently vent their anger at them.’
Staff say that if they make a mistake, they are fired because there are plenty more workers to take their place.
‘As long as they are seen to be doing something, they (senior managers) are ok throwing staff under a bus,’ said one former worker. Staff say conditions are likely to get worse in the run-up to Christmas.
Poorer punters without jobs see gambling as the only way they have a chance to get cash for the presents their friends and family want. When they lose, it’s staff that deal with the fallout.
Rowenna Davis is a councillor for the London borough of Southwark and a campaigner against the proliferation of betting shops.
Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2220636/Betting-machines-Flashing-lights-allure-magnet-violence.html#ixzz2A3lkznG9
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In the provincial town of Redditch you don't get it,two solid types who keep it wrapped up.It occasionally kicks off,bag heads mainly...
Newsflash... People have always lost money and kicked off in betting shops. Ban the machines they'll go back to kicking off over late greyhound bets or not being allowed back board prices.
"Rowenna Davis is a councillor for the London borough of Southwark and a campaigner against the proliferation of betting shops."
Well that's a reliable source then.
Well that's a reliable source then.
I live in Southwark, no shortage of betting shops here. It's all a complete croc.
Fact is, if a random person went into a betting shop and took a sledgehammer to everything the staff are instructed not to call the rozzers.
I have said previously, where do the hierarchy think this money is coming from?
Fact is, if a random person went into a betting shop and took a sledgehammer to everything the staff are instructed not to call the rozzers.
I have said previously, where do the hierarchy think this money is coming from?
FOBT's: Staff say they're magnets for violence and antisocial behaviour
Hmmm,well if FOBT stood for Forum On Betting Topics then the staff deserve a big round of applause for being quite correct!
Hmmm,well if FOBT stood for Forum On Betting Topics then the staff deserve a big round of applause for being quite correct!
Betting shop staff
should be careful imo
The old betting shop custom is not there any more
Punters bet on line using their laptops and mobile phones now
If you take FOBT's away
a lot less betting shops would be open
and a lot less staff needed
I would hate to work in a betting shop now
.. I think the old sports betting atmosphere has gone forever
I think the government will eventually act
but are probably waiting for the economy to improve
...which could take some time
should be careful imo
The old betting shop custom is not there any more
Punters bet on line using their laptops and mobile phones now
If you take FOBT's away
a lot less betting shops would be open
and a lot less staff needed
I would hate to work in a betting shop now
.. I think the old sports betting atmosphere has gone forever
I think the government will eventually act
but are probably waiting for the economy to improve
...which could take some time
AD certainly knows how to get Clive82, his stalker, on the case. 
you should all have a go, the tree xmas will be boosted by fotobs
Another glib, uneducated comment from Clive82, showing just what a lowlife he is, no consideration for the staff shown.
CLIVE 82 you are so wrong , i've been in the game a long time , had my own shops and still do some work in the offices , the dwindling amount of punters who still bet at the counter are no problem at all , the customers who play the fobs are another matter , these are mainly ethnics of some sort , normal punters hate the machines , machines round here are regularly smashed , kicked , punched , spat at , wont be reported to police for fear of getting or renewing licences , nightmare for the poor staff especially in the poorer areas
PATCHES. "these are mainly ethnics of some sort" totally dependant on the area. Poorer area more likely to have more "ethnics" what ever that may mean. But my area, for example, is predominantly full of caucasian business men (suit type).
Do the games in pubs not have the same affect. If not, why not? Is it the potential jackpot size? Do they go into pubs and spit at the machines?
AMOURETMORT, yes you are correct i live in a decent area , we have have a billy hill and ladcrookes half a mile away , mainly white people , counter trade good but not busy machine shops , never any trouble at all the only thing the staff die at night is boredom , 10 miles away just outside the city centre these are the trooble spots , i reckon the poorer the area the busier the machines equals trouble , by the way im not racist but like IANHAMILTON says the foreigners are the problem
All bets are on as MPs duck ruling on betting machines
Oct 21, 2012 (Menafn - Financial Mail on Sunday)]
THE bosses of Britain's leading betting chains could be forgiven for thinking that Christmas has come early. First, both William Hill and Ladbrokes last week revealed that revenues across all parts of their business were continuing to soar -- from betting machines, sports betting, online casinos and smartphone apps.
Then a potentially damning TV documentary claiming to show the "darker side" of the industry scheduled for tomorrow evening was postponed at the last minute by the BBC for a programme on Jimmy Savile.
And finally it emerged that the Government's long-awaited response to the Culture, Media and Sport select committee's report on the Gambling Act 2005 will not, as expected, be published this week, taking the spotlight away from issues such as how many of the controversial fixed-odds betting terminals should be allowed in High Street bookmakers.
These machines are in nearly every bookies, though there is a limit of four per shop. They offer slot machine and roulette-style games, allowing punters to stake up to pounds sterling 100 a spin on roulette and win up to pounds sterling 500 on just a 50p stake on the "slots."
Surprisingly, the select committee recommended lifting the limit on the number of machines, which could lead to a million-pound boom for bookmakers, who say the machines provide harmless entertainment and strongly resent them being dubbed the "crack cocaine" of gambling.
But critics and a growing number of MPs say the machines are dangerously addictive and must be curbed.
The Department for Culture, Media and Sport denied last week that its response had been delayed, citing the Olympics, the Cabinet reshuffle and 'staffing issues' as reasons why it was not yet ready to respond.
But Westminster sources say the Government isn't willing to take on the powerful bookmaking industry, especially as it pays more than a quarter of a billion pounds in tax every year.
'The select committee report recommending that the limit on machines per shop could actually be lifted was the last thing the Government wanted,' said one source.
There is certainly growing opposition to betting machines in Westminster. Last month, Liberal Democrat Communities Minister Don Foster called for the maximum stake to be pounds sterling 2 and claimed to have got David Cameron, Nick Clegg, George Osborne and Danny Alexander to reject the committee's call for restrictions to be lifted.
"For too long this problem has been swept under the carpet. There's no doubt this is ruining people's lives," he said.
He is backed by Labour MP Clive Efford, who said: "There is overwhelming evidence that these shops are often in deprived communities, that people are losing money on these machines that they can't afford to lose, and at the very least we should be looking at the amount of money staked and the speed that games can be played."
But Labour MPs face accusations of hypocrisy as it was under the previous Government that the industry was liberalised.
"It is very easy for them to be bullish now about what they would do if they were in power, but the truth is they were in power when the current regime was set-up," said one critic.
Ladbrokes last week announced an 11.5 per cent rise in machine income for the past three months alone. But while the bookmakers' shareholders might be happy, staff on the front line tell a different story.
One employee was told last week by a customer that he wanted to kill himself because he is addicted to the machines, while another said one of her customers has lost his wife and his job through his addiction and his children have disowned him.
"It's heartbreaking to see what misery we offer," said another.
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Oct 21, 2012 (Menafn - Financial Mail on Sunday)]
THE bosses of Britain's leading betting chains could be forgiven for thinking that Christmas has come early. First, both William Hill and Ladbrokes last week revealed that revenues across all parts of their business were continuing to soar -- from betting machines, sports betting, online casinos and smartphone apps.
Then a potentially damning TV documentary claiming to show the "darker side" of the industry scheduled for tomorrow evening was postponed at the last minute by the BBC for a programme on Jimmy Savile.
And finally it emerged that the Government's long-awaited response to the Culture, Media and Sport select committee's report on the Gambling Act 2005 will not, as expected, be published this week, taking the spotlight away from issues such as how many of the controversial fixed-odds betting terminals should be allowed in High Street bookmakers.
These machines are in nearly every bookies, though there is a limit of four per shop. They offer slot machine and roulette-style games, allowing punters to stake up to pounds sterling 100 a spin on roulette and win up to pounds sterling 500 on just a 50p stake on the "slots."
Surprisingly, the select committee recommended lifting the limit on the number of machines, which could lead to a million-pound boom for bookmakers, who say the machines provide harmless entertainment and strongly resent them being dubbed the "crack cocaine" of gambling.
But critics and a growing number of MPs say the machines are dangerously addictive and must be curbed.
The Department for Culture, Media and Sport denied last week that its response had been delayed, citing the Olympics, the Cabinet reshuffle and 'staffing issues' as reasons why it was not yet ready to respond.
But Westminster sources say the Government isn't willing to take on the powerful bookmaking industry, especially as it pays more than a quarter of a billion pounds in tax every year.
'The select committee report recommending that the limit on machines per shop could actually be lifted was the last thing the Government wanted,' said one source.
There is certainly growing opposition to betting machines in Westminster. Last month, Liberal Democrat Communities Minister Don Foster called for the maximum stake to be pounds sterling 2 and claimed to have got David Cameron, Nick Clegg, George Osborne and Danny Alexander to reject the committee's call for restrictions to be lifted.
"For too long this problem has been swept under the carpet. There's no doubt this is ruining people's lives," he said.
He is backed by Labour MP Clive Efford, who said: "There is overwhelming evidence that these shops are often in deprived communities, that people are losing money on these machines that they can't afford to lose, and at the very least we should be looking at the amount of money staked and the speed that games can be played."
But Labour MPs face accusations of hypocrisy as it was under the previous Government that the industry was liberalised.
"It is very easy for them to be bullish now about what they would do if they were in power, but the truth is they were in power when the current regime was set-up," said one critic.
Ladbrokes last week announced an 11.5 per cent rise in machine income for the past three months alone. But while the bookmakers' shareholders might be happy, staff on the front line tell a different story.
One employee was told last week by a customer that he wanted to kill himself because he is addicted to the machines, while another said one of her customers has lost his wife and his job through his addiction and his children have disowned him.
"It's heartbreaking to see what misery we offer," said another.
___ (c)2012 Daily Mail (London,) Visit the Daily Mail (London,) at
www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html Distributed by MCT Information Services
is the gambling nation panorama programme now due to be on nov 5th?
clive82
Newsflash... People have always lost money and kicked off in betting shops. Ban the machines they'll go back to kicking off over late greyhound bets or not being allowed back board prices.
Of course there was and will be some isolated cases of this but it's the speed of how quickly you can lose money on the machines and you often see people walk in, go straight to them, lose and then walk out again and these machines have brought many new people into the shops that only ever play them and don't bother with anything else.
I rarely go into shops now but still pop in from time to time socially when buy a newspaper form the shop next door and was in one for a while yesterday and have previously had staff come up to me and offer free goes on the machines that has never happened to me before with the horses.
Newsflash... People have always lost money and kicked off in betting shops. Ban the machines they'll go back to kicking off over late greyhound bets or not being allowed back board prices.
Of course there was and will be some isolated cases of this but it's the speed of how quickly you can lose money on the machines and you often see people walk in, go straight to them, lose and then walk out again and these machines have brought many new people into the shops that only ever play them and don't bother with anything else.
I rarely go into shops now but still pop in from time to time socially when buy a newspaper form the shop next door and was in one for a while yesterday and have previously had staff come up to me and offer free goes on the machines that has never happened to me before with the horses.
The whoppers that work in shops these days are no more than crack dealers handing out free £5 hits for the machines
The can't have ANY morals, I'd rather clean toilets for a living
The can't have ANY morals, I'd rather clean toilets for a living
funny how quickly they shifted this panorama prog. for one on js!
they, ie entwhistle and co, managed to get the specials on js scheduled ok despite the newsnight investigation.
it's unbelievable that the HEAD of tv didn't know what was on tv!
they, ie entwhistle and co, managed to get the specials on js scheduled ok despite the newsnight investigation.
it's unbelievable that the HEAD of tv didn't know what was on tv!
"The Government has announced that it will undertake a review of the evidence around fixed odds betting terminals—classed as category B2 gaming machines under the Gambling Act 2005—and problem gambling. An announcement about the scope and timing of the review will be made in due course." (Hugh Robertson)
Now it is reviewing the "evidence" not the machines themselves ie. speed of play, entitlements or stake and prize levels. Not quite what Don Foster led people to believe is it surprise, surprise. I think this is the sound of the politicians going into reverse gear!!
Gandalf - I know your sensitivities to making historical analogies, but given some of the posts on this thread now pointing the finger of blame for ASB at any Johnny foreigner surely you'll indulge me. Next thing they'll be putting the "No irish" signs back up in the windows.
Now it is reviewing the "evidence" not the machines themselves ie. speed of play, entitlements or stake and prize levels. Not quite what Don Foster led people to believe is it surprise, surprise. I think this is the sound of the politicians going into reverse gear!!
Gandalf - I know your sensitivities to making historical analogies, but given some of the posts on this thread now pointing the finger of blame for ASB at any Johnny foreigner surely you'll indulge me. Next thing they'll be putting the "No irish" signs back up in the windows.
Gullible Clive.What firm have got there finger up your ar5e you puppet
What firm have got there finger up your ar5e you puppet
Clive82, is "His Masters Voice", idiotic, uneducated and striving to be accepted within "His Masters" world, but destined to be nothing better than a mouthpiece, messenger boy, skivvy and general dogsbody.
I am pleased to see that my efforts to help you improve your spelling and grammar, have at the very least, got you to ask somebody to show you how to use the spellcheck option on your computer. Keep up the good work in your efforts to show your master that you are striving to learn how to bark a little better on their behalf. With your rate of progress as a result of being tutored in your native language, which is my second language, by a highly educated Irishman like me, I'm sure it won't be long before they will allow you to go to the bank with lodgments, now won't that be a nice rise up the Corporate ladder for you.
Tá tú buachaill maith, Clive82.
I am pleased to see that my efforts to help you improve your spelling and grammar, have at the very least, got you to ask somebody to show you how to use the spellcheck option on your computer. Keep up the good work in your efforts to show your master that you are striving to learn how to bark a little better on their behalf. With your rate of progress as a result of being tutored in your native language, which is my second language, by a highly educated Irishman like me, I'm sure it won't be long before they will allow you to go to the bank with lodgments, now won't that be a nice rise up the Corporate ladder for you.
Tá tú buachaill maith, Clive82.
Early 1990's I'm sat settling bets in a betting shop (major firm) facing the counter. I see something out of the corner of my eye so duck down. A brick smashes into the wall below the antepost board behind me. It was a lowlife I had already banned from the shop for causing trouble with other customers. A few weeks later the area manager tells me he's been contacted by the lowlife and asks me if it's OK if he comes back in!
CLYDEBANK MSP Gil Paterson is backing demands for new council powers to restrict the number of bookmakers and pay-day loan shops in low income areas.
Mr Paterson is supporting a Scottish Parliament petition by West Dunbartonshire opposition leader Johnathan McColl who argues that there is an 'overprovision' of such outlets.
The news comes as furious residents in Drumchapel have hit out at plans to potentially open a third bookmakers in the local shopping centre
Mr Paterson is supporting a Scottish Parliament petition by West Dunbartonshire opposition leader Johnathan McColl who argues that there is an 'overprovision' of such outlets.
The news comes as furious residents in Drumchapel have hit out at plans to potentially open a third bookmakers in the local shopping centre
people are not forced to use these machines
do we need our government to make our choices for us
do we need our government to make our choices for us
Téigh bata do srón i áiteanna eile, leadránach duit Nazi!
ebulgery - no we dont but we need them to turn our bookies back into bookies and not casinos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clive82, your posts only highlight the low class of person that you are, anti-Irish jibes and Nazi jibes, I can't expect anything better from you, afterall as I said earlier, your masters must have searched high and low, long and hard, to find someone as uneducated, ignorant, idiotic and stupid as you, that would just recite the words that they write for you and be too dense to realise how thick it makes you look when you spout lies.
Again I am pleased to see that you are beginning to realise your own stupidity and seeking to expand your knowledge of languages, by asking someone for help, in showing you how to use a translator, it's a pity that you didn't realise that when you use a translator, it is not always grammatically correct, but as you can't get your own English language right, well what can you expect.
Again I am pleased to see that you are beginning to realise your own stupidity and seeking to expand your knowledge of languages, by asking someone for help, in showing you how to use a translator, it's a pity that you didn't realise that when you use a translator, it is not always grammatically correct, but as you can't get your own English language right, well what can you expect.
you have a point siralex
but we would still all have all the virtual rubbish, lucky numbers and all that
I would love a return to the old betting office of sports betting only
but would I support it..probably not...got too used to on line betting now
My main worry is calling on the government to ban things
we never know where it might stop do we????
but we would still all have all the virtual rubbish, lucky numbers and all that
I would love a return to the old betting office of sports betting only
but would I support it..probably not...got too used to on line betting now
My main worry is calling on the government to ban things
we never know where it might stop do we????
perhaps they should keep the machines which u can win 500 per spin on but also guarantee to lay any horse to win 500 as well????????
My main worry is calling on the government to ban things
ebulGery..........we dont want them banned, just moved to where they belong,
in licensed casinos, thus allowing the shops to operate with the licenses for
which they where granted, ie: taking bets on horses and Sports.
This would eradicate the the violence and damage which is frightening many
shop staff, especially female.
ebulGery..........we dont want them banned, just moved to where they belong,
in licensed casinos, thus allowing the shops to operate with the licenses for
which they where granted, ie: taking bets on horses and Sports.
This would eradicate the the violence and damage which is frightening many
shop staff, especially female.
Just 256 signatures needed
Diane Abbott MP@HackneyAbbott
I just signed the petition against yet ANOTHER betting shop in Hackney. Here's the link
http://chn.ge/Srw22t
Diane Abbott MP@HackneyAbbott
I just signed the petition against yet ANOTHER betting shop in Hackney. Here's the link
http://chn.ge/Srw22t
GraspGroup@TheGraspGroup
@ladbrokes set the stage for a miserable Xmas for #FOBT gambling addicts. Some shops open to 9pm on Xmas eve!
@ladbrokes set the stage for a miserable Xmas for #FOBT gambling addicts. Some shops open to 9pm on Xmas eve!
Are pubs also setting the stage for a miserable xmas for alcoholics by opening until the early hours of xmas day morning?
i heard they wanted to open for a few hours on xmas day, just like baldy wanted to do last year.
only a matter of time.
only a matter of time.
at least the government pay the alkies and extra few bob to satisfy their addiction, will they start doing the same for the fobt addicts.
was meant tongue in cheek but nothing regarding the welfare state surprises me any more.
was meant tongue in cheek but nothing regarding the welfare state surprises me any more.
sad staff without friends or social life will be glad to work for a standard flat rate Xmas Eve. Probably wouldn't even ask for time and a third in case they irked the DM.
Difficult problem, the people who seem most attracted to these machine seem to be the people with the least intelligence.
Should they be stopped from using the FBOT's. because they are thick, lazy and aggressive. Difficult call they might be better letting them get on with it until they learn some sense. At least the benefit money is going back to the government in taxes and the company dividends are going to investors and pension funds,the people who pay the tax's that pay their benefits.
Should they be stopped from using the FBOT's. because they are thick, lazy and aggressive. Difficult call they might be better letting them get on with it until they learn some sense. At least the benefit money is going back to the government in taxes and the company dividends are going to investors and pension funds,the people who pay the tax's that pay their benefits.
I was amazed when i went back to the Uk and saw people who used to be 5 pound punters on the horses putting 30 pound a spin in the machines.
5 pound punters on the horses putting 30 pound a spin in the machines.
Both bets have a similar expectation. Both will cost the average shop punter about 75p.
Both bets have a similar expectation. Both will cost the average shop punter about 75p.
Banned Banks that 5 pound punter would not have 40 or 50 bets an hour on the horses.
Bon Viveur...
Please give it a rest..
I have tried to keep off the forum but having seen the file of self excluded people from local betting shops that were formerly £5£10 punters that would give the bookmaker a decent living and now are not allowed to bet ("instore") because of their addiction I am left wondering if the flight to FOBTS has been worth it.If there is a reduction in their reach (odds against I know) then the alleged "Bookmakers" will have a massively reduced market and it will be their own fault.
I know that you have argued that if the FOBTS were to go then it would make no difference to any punters wishing to get on..
However that is rubbish because in Ireland you can actually get a bet on because....
Please give it a rest..
I have tried to keep off the forum but having seen the file of self excluded people from local betting shops that were formerly £5£10 punters that would give the bookmaker a decent living and now are not allowed to bet ("instore") because of their addiction I am left wondering if the flight to FOBTS has been worth it.If there is a reduction in their reach (odds against I know) then the alleged "Bookmakers" will have a massively reduced market and it will be their own fault.
I know that you have argued that if the FOBTS were to go then it would make no difference to any punters wishing to get on..
However that is rubbish because in Ireland you can actually get a bet on because....
yep..I hope so
and just put a bit or racing on as well
horses/dogs I dont mind
some of us miss our daily fix
(sports betting only of course)
and just put a bit or racing on as well
horses/dogs I dont mind
some of us miss our daily fix
(sports betting only of course)
that was in reply to
i heard they wanted to open for a few hours on xmas day, just like baldy wanted to do last year.
only a matter of time.
Eberneezer Scroogs
i heard they wanted to open for a few hours on xmas day, just like baldy wanted to do last year.
only a matter of time.
Eberneezer Scroogs
however I would not like to see Chelsea Girl and others get threatened
just as long as they realise..no FOBTs
a lot less betting shops
just as long as they realise..no FOBTs
a lot less betting shops
ffs...............answer me this banned banks.
if i go into a pub and just drink cokes and soft drinks every time, would they ban me and just serve alcoholics????
thats the equivalent of what they are doing in the bookies/casinos.
if i go into a pub and just drink cokes and soft drinks every time, would they ban me and just serve alcoholics????
thats the equivalent of what they are doing in the bookies/casinos.
siralex that is a poor analogy.
If you were to go into any retail outlet and transact in a way that cost the proprietor money you would not be welcome.
If you were to go into any retail outlet and transact in a way that cost the proprietor money you would not be welcome.
siralex it is worse than that even the non-alcoholics have been banned !!
so if i go to my darts night and only drink a coke but use the pubs facilities, darts board and eat their food they lay on i am surely costing them money. but they havent banned me as of yet.........
thats because the rest of the team spend loads so covers his costs.
the same as the 95% of punters who lose cover the 5% who win.
thats because the rest of the team spend loads so covers his costs.
the same as the 95% of punters who lose cover the 5% who win.
bookies wont lay you if they read the first line of your post siralex
in my experience bookies dont like any winning punters if they can help it
but agree they should lay a better bet
in my experience bookies dont like any winning punters if they can help it
but agree they should lay a better bet
but they dont just stop me betting on horses, i cant get a golf bet on for more than a fiver, they close my accounts even though i show a loss over the last 20 years. i cant accept that u aren't allowed to put bets of 20 or 30 on without being refused. 1000 or 500 i could at least understand but apart from a 6 month period i very rarely bet more than 100 on any horse.
What they hate and what restricts people is if you consistantly beat the starting price. You then become a liability and commercially unwanted. They trot out the 'arber' line even when it's not the case, for me anyway. I've had it myself as have many folks on here of course when all I was doing was playing at a price I was happy with.
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