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No probs pugs
chipboard 2440x600x22 when laying the boards stagger the boards by at least 2 battens (800mm) set out your boards so that your offcut will be your first board on your next line of boards this is to cut down on waste |
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OK, thanks again everybody. I'm sure it will all work out if I don't go through the ceiling. I floored my own loft but that was 18 years ago. No tongue and groove, just chipboard 8' x 4' sliced in two with a circular saw to get it into the loft. It's still there and will still be there when I'm offski.
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Feck, for what it’s worth I concur 100% with Whiteowl in the correct method for laying chipboard flooring. Aligning the end of boards (as I suggested earlier) often results in a poor uneven joint, and something I swear I have never done, well at least not whilst someone is watching me
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plasterboard over loft hatch,forget about it and buy her a shed for storage
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Feck I decked mine with 8x4 sheets whilst I was putting a new roof on my house, the trouble was it rained before I got the felt on and the chipboard is so soft I’m frightened to go up there now
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I agree with what's said above. Don't buy sh!tty tongue&grooved boards which are a pain and more expensive than 8x4 boards.
Get the 8x4's and screw them down. This way if you need to get under them for electrics in the future you don't have to pull the full floor up. Also invest in cordless drivers and drills if you don't have them. Worth their weight in gold (don't buy cheap cordless although you can get away with a cheapish drill). |
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Use a place like this to buy screws in bulk. Never buy such things from B&Q - unless you're rich and very lazy
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2" x 2" ?
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Thanks again all.
666, I wouldn't be able to get 8 x 4 through the hatch. Boom, that's the batons. Why the question mark? Would this satisfy the 450 mm spacing crew. I put down 50 x 100 (2" x 4") such that they add 50 mm to height of joist. I space them with 500 mm between them and each board has 50 mm resting on each baton? |
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Feck
Use 75x50 battens 75mm is the height of existing joists if you dont want to space the battens at 400 centres then put them at 600 centres but if you are spacing them at 600mm centres then use 22mm chipboard you can use 18mm chipboard if you space them out at 400mm centres work out the cost difference then do the job to suit your budget |
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No I wouldn’t Feck. Far more expensive and if using chipboard it would still flex between your batons.
Feck, using 3x2 batons, 3 inch height at 400 centres would be better (less flexing between existing joist spans and the load would spread over a greater number of existing joists) but 2x2 will suffice (if your existing joist centres are no more than 16/18 inch) so it all depends on budget and the amount of use the floor is going to have. For very light use I personally would just use 2x2 (cheaper, lighter, less pilot drilling, shorter fixing screws, more head height) but I would not set the new batons at any more than 400mm centres or the chipboard will flex and the edges/joints may crack between them. Beware when laying the 2x2 because they tend not to be very square i.e. 45x47, so lay them all on the 45mm width or the 47mm width. |
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Whiteowl, iv'e done it again
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Wish I could get this much help, trying to find a winner
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Ha Ha Pugs
Feck follow the advice by the guys on this thread and you really cant go wrong good luck with your project and tell us how get on |
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Can't find winners so I LAY
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Whiteowl, Feck, where do we all live? If she's pretty
 and has cold beer in the fridge we could knock this out in a few hours saturday morning  |
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My early experience of boarding lofts was old chipboard wardrobes cut to size for joist / loft opening / roof pitch clearance and drilled directly to the joists .... worked for me and a cheap job
Now days it's 320 mm of insulation recommended bollocks   And the modern loft ladder hatches are made of 20mm MDF shirley that's a waste of time insulating the loft to a high standard and then fitting a loft hatch that will let a lot of the heat through  |
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Feck, if you have not already bought the chipboard make sure you get Moisture resistant board in case of moisture ingress, a real problem in lofts in this country. it well worth it if you are using the space for storage, and you don't plan to move anytime soon. It matters not what way you lay the 2x2 from a strength point. don't exceed 400 centres as chip particle bonded board has a low level of elasticity. allow a minimum of 5cm around all edges for ventilation, you should not buy P A R 2x2 {planed all round) its much more expensive than rough sawn. P A R is for show you won't see it with the F'kin board on top !.
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Will look nicer when the ceiling pops off though
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Right, 400 mm spacing it is then. I'm beginning to think geos 23:25 post is the way to go.
Will look at moisture resistant boxing. Thanks. |
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Feck, where it says “joists” those are your batons. And obviously the board size is just the biggest you can get through your hatch, with baton centres to suit your board size. Easy peasey
http://www.mashomes.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=Loft%20Flooring |
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Thanks pugs.
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Went up to measure the loft this morning and had a closer look. The insulation is such that I'd really have to add 4 inches to clear it but there's also heavy metal (iron?) conduit sticking up which 4" wouldn't even cover. I suppose I could work around the conduit but what about the insulation? Should I attach 2" x 2" directly on top of the joists then attach further 2" x 2" at right angles to that or should I strip away layers (2" worth) of the insulation?
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Don't touch the insulation Feck.
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Why Aviboyd? Would removing around 25% of the depth make that much difference?
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Are they all at work?
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all in the pub after a hard day joinering
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It must be an old house???
The conduit will be carrying old cables, you will be able to cut it down to below the joists, just dont cut the cable  |
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It's like iron though koikeeper. It's not like I can use a copper tube pipe cutter. A hacksaw job while having to be careful not to cut the cable would be purgatory. If I could bend them that would suffice but they're going into the light fittings so there's a chance I could cause cracks in the ceiling.
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Call the pros in Feck, it ain't like you can't afford it !
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Pro tradesmen are rarer than straight trainers halycon. They are almost all cowboys who couldn't give a fk if your ceilings all collapsed the day after they've been paid.
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Feck
The day my son was born in the early 80's it was Royal Ascot week, after coming home from the hospital after being there most of the night I settled down to study The Sporting Life. At one of the off meetings there was a horse called Carpenters Boy, I had a fiver on and it won at 17/2. Paid for wetting the babies head later on that night. |
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Has he become a chippie off the old block Billy.
Sorry, I'll get me coat. |
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He couldn't knock a nail in staight Feck, **** hot at poker though..
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Bill,
good evening. Open fires... those were the days ! |
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HD
Don't see many Coalmen these days, remember the leather waistcoats they used to wear. coalman.jpg |