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03 Oct 12
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Bill Esdaile @BillEsdaile
Camelot WILL run in Sunday's Arc and Frankie Dettori will ride.
Camelot WILL run in Sunday's Arc and Frankie Dettori will ride.
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Must be a big surprise to those who said the horse lost on merit at Donny. 
Cornelius Lysaght @CorneliusRacing
#Arc: #Camelot confirmed as runner with Frankie Dettori riding
#Arc: #Camelot confirmed as runner with Frankie Dettori riding
Whats up with young o'brian riding it? is it the weight or something else.
See his on another one , surely if he left his dinners for a couple of nights he could do the weight and try properly this time maybe keeping an eye on whats going on in front of him instead of thinking he was on pegasus.
Wonder how shake muhammed likes his one timed fav boy riding for the other boys in blue.
What a crafty move, if Camelot gets beat they will have the most legit exuse of all time.
Flush,
I was going in quite heavy for Camelot as I think he will win but I am getting more timid after that news.
I was going in quite heavy for Camelot as I think he will win but I am getting more timid after that news.
^ moondan, having the best big race jockey currently riding on board is a negative..??
If your a backer be glad frankies up , wouldnt bet it myself but you have an honest chance of going close now given the two big ones dropping out
So he's officially spit from Godolphin then?
After the sh*t that went down last time (Scorpion St Leger) can't see how he'd be able to continue working for them.
After the sh*t that went down last time (Scorpion St Leger) can't see how he'd be able to continue working for them.
joseph seriously need to go all rocky....cut that weight proper. eye of the tiger running around ballydoyle.
Do normal Frankie / Godolphin rules apply here?
ie WIN ONLY BETS as he'll ease it up and wont try for a place if he cant win?
ie WIN ONLY BETS as he'll ease it up and wont try for a place if he cant win?
i think there's been a cooling off of hostility's between them and coolmore,they had runners in Dubai earlier this year and no doubt frankie did ask Shakey Mo beforehand.
Great News t
Glad to hear that Frankie has got the leg up,anybody that thinks thats a negative is fookin clueless imho.
Glad to hear that Frankie has got the leg up,anybody that thinks thats a negative is fookin clueless imho.
frankie probably in france that day to ride for godolphin in other races anyway
agree acey great news
...Alleged was in beaten in St Leger
but won 2 Arcs..
that is what I am clinging on to anyway
The premier middle distance race in Europe
...Alleged was in beaten in St Leger
but won 2 Arcs..
that is what I am clinging on to anyway
The premier middle distance race in Europe
Superb booking... Frankie an expert around Longchamp.
Besy jock on the best horse..... charrrrge
Besy jock on the best horse..... charrrrge
How winnable does the Arc look now for Frankel connections.They must be kicking themselves.
how many horse has frankie ridden for A P O'Brien in the last 5 years ?
doubt frankel connections will be kicking themselves.
in fact they are probably relieved not to be going to the continent as that horse virus over there is quite dangerous.
any horse contracting it will almost certainly have to be destroyed so best staying far away from that.
I know it's only in germany at the moment but once they check where those german horses have been racing then there might be further problems.
anyway there is nothing wrong with winning the champion stakes even if it is run on the wrong course.
in fact they are probably relieved not to be going to the continent as that horse virus over there is quite dangerous.
any horse contracting it will almost certainly have to be destroyed so best staying far away from that.
I know it's only in germany at the moment but once they check where those german horses have been racing then there might be further problems.
anyway there is nothing wrong with winning the champion stakes even if it is run on the wrong course.
No strong views here about Frankie either way. But I really don't fancy Camelot. The 3yo's are weak this year and the horse is only taking his chance because the field has cut up. I'm happy to be a layer.
any one would think the yard is full of apprentices,what a kick in the teeth for heffernan and o donoghue.but picking dettori who is past his best over the other classic winning stable jockeys is crazy . even murtagh or smullen could have taken the ride strange decision
DETTORI JOY AT CAMELOT CALL
03 Oct 2012
Frankie Dettori spoke of his "honour" at being chosen to partner Camelot in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp on Sunday.
The ride on the 2000 Guineas and dual Derby winner became available as trainer Aidan O'Brien's son, Joseph, is unable to get down to the weight of 8st 11lb. Dettori has not ridden for O'Brien since winning the 2005 St Leger at Doncaster on Scorpion. The Italian will be riding in his 25th consecutive Arc, which he has won three times on Lammtarra (1995), Sakhee (2001) and Marienbard (2002).
"It's a real honour to be chosen to ride the Guineas and Derby winner in the Arc," Dettori told Racing UK.
"A couple of high-profile horses haven't made the race so he's right up there at the head of the betting. I'm really excited. It's a really good record, 25 Arcs in a row, so I'm looking forward to it.
"What has happened in the last few days is pretty unbelievable (with defections from the race) - Snow Fairy has an injury, Nathaniel is out. Joseph can't do the weight on Camelot and the ride became available.
"It's an honour for me to be asked to ride the horse and I'm really looking forward to it. Let's hope the horse is in tip-top shape. It's been a long season but if the Camelot turns up we know he should have a really good chance."
Camelot's participation in the Arc had been up in the air since his defeat in the St Leger at Doncaster last month, when he was prevented from claiming the Triple Crown by Encke. But after having worked at O'Brien's Ballydoyle stable on Wednesday morning, the decision was made to let the three-year-old colt take his chance.
A tweet from Ballydoyle read: "We were pleased with the work of both St Nicholas Abbey and Camelot this morning in Ballydoyle and hope to run both in the Arc on Sunday. St Nicholas Abbey will be ridden by Joseph and Camelot will be ridden by Frankie Dettori."
Joseph O'Brien partnered Camelot in his key final Arc prep and said: "I was very happy with him - he did what he had to do."
There had been rumours Danedream could yet be supplemented back into the race on Thursday at a cost of 100,000 euro owing to some sort of mix-up at Cologne, but Patrick Barbe, racing manager to her part-owner, Teruya Yoshida, said: "It is only a rumour. There is a no-go zone a kilometre around the training base, I just can't see us being allowed to go."
03 Oct 2012
Frankie Dettori spoke of his "honour" at being chosen to partner Camelot in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp on Sunday.
The ride on the 2000 Guineas and dual Derby winner became available as trainer Aidan O'Brien's son, Joseph, is unable to get down to the weight of 8st 11lb. Dettori has not ridden for O'Brien since winning the 2005 St Leger at Doncaster on Scorpion. The Italian will be riding in his 25th consecutive Arc, which he has won three times on Lammtarra (1995), Sakhee (2001) and Marienbard (2002).
"It's a real honour to be chosen to ride the Guineas and Derby winner in the Arc," Dettori told Racing UK.
"A couple of high-profile horses haven't made the race so he's right up there at the head of the betting. I'm really excited. It's a really good record, 25 Arcs in a row, so I'm looking forward to it.
"What has happened in the last few days is pretty unbelievable (with defections from the race) - Snow Fairy has an injury, Nathaniel is out. Joseph can't do the weight on Camelot and the ride became available.
"It's an honour for me to be asked to ride the horse and I'm really looking forward to it. Let's hope the horse is in tip-top shape. It's been a long season but if the Camelot turns up we know he should have a really good chance."
Camelot's participation in the Arc had been up in the air since his defeat in the St Leger at Doncaster last month, when he was prevented from claiming the Triple Crown by Encke. But after having worked at O'Brien's Ballydoyle stable on Wednesday morning, the decision was made to let the three-year-old colt take his chance.
A tweet from Ballydoyle read: "We were pleased with the work of both St Nicholas Abbey and Camelot this morning in Ballydoyle and hope to run both in the Arc on Sunday. St Nicholas Abbey will be ridden by Joseph and Camelot will be ridden by Frankie Dettori."
Joseph O'Brien partnered Camelot in his key final Arc prep and said: "I was very happy with him - he did what he had to do."
There had been rumours Danedream could yet be supplemented back into the race on Thursday at a cost of 100,000 euro owing to some sort of mix-up at Cologne, but Patrick Barbe, racing manager to her part-owner, Teruya Yoshida, said: "It is only a rumour. There is a no-go zone a kilometre around the training base, I just can't see us being allowed to go."
Strange how the top yards want to use this "past it" when he is available.
Frankie still one of the best jockeys about. Could have went for Buick as he doesn't have a ride in the race since Nathanial being a non runner. Camelot will go and win this now with a godolphin jockey just like they did with the derby last year. Camelot has got 7lb weight for age allowance from Orfevre and the pace makers could make all the differance this time and where as Joseph only has a few years of racing experience whereas Frankie has over 20 years.
Exellent jockey booking for Camelot, but i just cant have him winning the Arc on what he has done on the track as a 3yo, the form is average at best.
Even tho the race has lost some of the Star names this year, i still think he has it all to do on the book.
Even tho the race has lost some of the Star names this year, i still think he has it all to do on the book.
Not for 5 years or more have I thought Frankie was the best jockey riding whether it be a derby or a brighton seller that is too ridiculous to claim, absolutely no evidence, in fact plenty to suggest he is not.
Frankie was not surprised to get the call because he has been fishing all week for the ride and for him to say he has not spoken to Aiden is a downright lie.
I think he will be alright because he is going to get what he rquires these days and thats an armchair ride.
I am not sure how Godolphin will portray all this but lurking at the back of my mind is the thought this could be more about getting even.
No doubt Frankie has been belittled and shown little respect these past months and while relations may have thawed between the 2 giants of the turf I doubt there is any depth to it. In essence Frankie and Coolmore could serve a little comeuppence and perhaps this was never Frankies idea and maybe a promise to keep the ride on camelot should he stay in training if he wins was a carrot too juicy for him to refuse.
The fact that Buick is without doubt the top jockey of the day and was free suggests to me that Frankie will be leaving Godolphin at the end of this season and while others will disagree, my hat will go into orbit as I back most of the Godolphin horses and many just for a place so Dettori has no place in my heart and while mascots are alright they can be expensive.
Should this come about I will definitely get Chappers to do many of his yeehaas.
Frankie was not surprised to get the call because he has been fishing all week for the ride and for him to say he has not spoken to Aiden is a downright lie.
I think he will be alright because he is going to get what he rquires these days and thats an armchair ride.
I am not sure how Godolphin will portray all this but lurking at the back of my mind is the thought this could be more about getting even.
No doubt Frankie has been belittled and shown little respect these past months and while relations may have thawed between the 2 giants of the turf I doubt there is any depth to it. In essence Frankie and Coolmore could serve a little comeuppence and perhaps this was never Frankies idea and maybe a promise to keep the ride on camelot should he stay in training if he wins was a carrot too juicy for him to refuse.
The fact that Buick is without doubt the top jockey of the day and was free suggests to me that Frankie will be leaving Godolphin at the end of this season and while others will disagree, my hat will go into orbit as I back most of the Godolphin horses and many just for a place so Dettori has no place in my heart and while mascots are alright they can be expensive.
Should this come about I will definitely get Chappers to do many of his yeehaas.
Frankie the best jockey since the pig,just a pity the irsh crew using him to disguise there real tryer.
Ignore all the hype AOB has created purely for stud value, the horse has achieved very little. Yes he has won a Derby and a Guineas but the form of both races are woeful. The form of both races are barely good enough to be classed as group 3's tbh. Look at the winners that have come from the races.
He's a good horse fortunate enough to be in the worst classic year for decades. I wont say he wont win the Arc as it's cut up badly, surely it shows how much they rate him on the basis they weren't convinced about running him when Nathaniel, Snow Fairy and Danedream were still entered.
He's a good horse fortunate enough to be in the worst classic year for decades. I wont say he wont win the Arc as it's cut up badly, surely it shows how much they rate him on the basis they weren't convinced about running him when Nathaniel, Snow Fairy and Danedream were still entered.
Maybe or maybe not he is good enough
But I am glad he is running
and taking on older horses at least once this year
Frankie is good enough jockey to give him every chance
...the rest is in the lap of the gods
took 9.8 Camelot myself at w/e
thought worth a go at the price
But I am glad he is running
and taking on older horses at least once this year
Frankie is good enough jockey to give him every chance
...the rest is in the lap of the gods
took 9.8 Camelot myself at w/e
thought worth a go at the price
I think from the 15 oponents in the 2000 only 4 have won races, Casper in the German Guineas, Trumpett in the Group 3 at Goodwood, Coupe De Ville in a 3 runner conditions race, and Power in the Irish Guineas. Hardly bombproof form.
1 winner from the Derby, Bonfire beaten 20 lengths in the Eclipse, the form is awful. If he hit 3.5 I will be laying laying laying.
1 winner from the Derby, Bonfire beaten 20 lengths in the Eclipse, the form is awful. If he hit 3.5 I will be laying laying laying.
You may well be right Law
..I only backed him on price
not because I think he is any certainty
Because the three year old form has looked so average this year
I am really glad he is taking part to make a stand for himself
Deeds impress me more than words
..I do not like hype.
..I only backed him on price
not because I think he is any certainty
Because the three year old form has looked so average this year
I am really glad he is taking part to make a stand for himself
Deeds impress me more than words
..I do not like hype.
ebulGery
yes
very tactful
'joseph cant make the weight'
Nothing tactful about it at all, he can't make the weight and that's it. He would have to do 8-11 and even if he got down to that, he would hardly be at his fittest or strongest and most think he's as weak as my Nan's tea as it is, although ironically I think he can still win it anyway on St Nicholas Abbey.
yes
very tactful
'joseph cant make the weight'
Nothing tactful about it at all, he can't make the weight and that's it. He would have to do 8-11 and even if he got down to that, he would hardly be at his fittest or strongest and most think he's as weak as my Nan's tea as it is, although ironically I think he can still win it anyway on St Nicholas Abbey.
Yeah, the beaten horses from the Derby have won a single race all year - and that was when a few of them ran into each other.
Some of them are back running in handicaps.
It's a poor crop of 3yo's.
PP are laying 3/1 both Camelot and Orfevre (evens coupled) which seems like nice business if you can get it.
Some of them are back running in handicaps.
It's a poor crop of 3yo's.
PP are laying 3/1 both Camelot and Orfevre (evens coupled) which seems like nice business if you can get it.
apologies maz
a bad attempt at humour.....
You may well be right as well over St Nicholas Abbey
Japanese horses though invincible on home soil
have not covered themselves in glory in the Arc.... up to now
although he won his trial comfortably
and they will one year
Camelots three year form is looking far from solid
so who knows
a bad attempt at humour.....
You may well be right as well over St Nicholas Abbey
Japanese horses though invincible on home soil
have not covered themselves in glory in the Arc.... up to now
although he won his trial comfortably
and they will one year
Camelots three year form is looking far from solid
so who knows
frankie easily the best jock riding today.
just not bothered riding out for a place half the time.
just not bothered riding out for a place half the time.
agree buses
...the day to day stuff does not do it for him anymore
but I am sure he will do his part in the Arc, the rest is up to Camelot
...the day to day stuff does not do it for him anymore
but I am sure he will do his part in the Arc, the rest is up to Camelot
yeah exactly, we all know hes barely bothered these days but put him on a good horse in a good race and hes capable of things nobody currently riding is IMO.
lester
cauthen
eddery
kinane
dettori
his name does not look out of place here imo.
whether the horse will win is another thing but ive seen a few 'cant wins ' already which is puzzling to me as hes won a guineas and 2 derbys as well as a 2nd in the leger given a sh!t ride,still may not have won but it was not given its best chance to win the race and thats the only loss on his rec. he can win the arc without a doubt, think id rather the **** horse at this stage tho.
gl
lester
cauthen
eddery
kinane
dettori
his name does not look out of place here imo.
whether the horse will win is another thing but ive seen a few 'cant wins ' already which is puzzling to me as hes won a guineas and 2 derbys as well as a 2nd in the leger given a sh!t ride,still may not have won but it was not given its best chance to win the race and thats the only loss on his rec. he can win the arc without a doubt, think id rather the **** horse at this stage tho.
gl
The three year olds are bad this year and Camelot hasn't beaten anything of note. In fact I believe he's only ever beaten 2 group one winners in his life, Power and French fifteen. This is an exceptionally poor recond for a two time derby and two thousand guineas winner.
That doesn't mean he won't win the Arc though, a few weeks ago I wouldn't have given him a chance but with all the withdrawals the race is lacking depth now.
Still Camelot has to be a lay at the present 4.4 price.
That doesn't mean he won't win the Arc though, a few weeks ago I wouldn't have given him a chance but with all the withdrawals the race is lacking depth now.
Still Camelot has to be a lay at the present 4.4 price.
Buses I know he's won the races, but just because they are classics it doesn't make them great races. Look at the horses that have run in open company. Born to Sea beaten 11 lengths in irish champion, on more suitable ground and for my money a better trip. Camelot wouldn't of liked the ground in the Irish Derby but Born to Sea was hardly going to love it. I think Sandown had to delay the rest of the meeting to let Bonfire finish (20 odds lengths).
All AOB cares about is stud values at retirement; for my money he wasn't "training So You Think wrong". The only mistake he made with SYT was to run him against better horses. He beat Carlton House who is hardly a world beater imo.
I am convinced the best 3 year old he has this season is Imperial Monarch. Irish Derby late withdrawal, Arc late withdrawal. Everytime they run Camelot they pull Imperial. On heavy ground who would of won Imperial or Camelot? What is better for the operation, Camelot winning or Imperial?
He may well win on Sunday and fair play if he does, but its hardly a vintage race hence him running. If he wins I will hold my hands up, and I will have layed him, if he wins I lose my money and will have got it totally wrong. As I will be at the course, it will be a hard one to take tbh!
All AOB cares about is stud values at retirement; for my money he wasn't "training So You Think wrong". The only mistake he made with SYT was to run him against better horses. He beat Carlton House who is hardly a world beater imo.
I am convinced the best 3 year old he has this season is Imperial Monarch. Irish Derby late withdrawal, Arc late withdrawal. Everytime they run Camelot they pull Imperial. On heavy ground who would of won Imperial or Camelot? What is better for the operation, Camelot winning or Imperial?
He may well win on Sunday and fair play if he does, but its hardly a vintage race hence him running. If he wins I will hold my hands up, and I will have layed him, if he wins I lose my money and will have got it totally wrong. As I will be at the course, it will be a hard one to take tbh!
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