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crackerpants, there are one or two tipsters on here who are superior.
dont be ridiculas nobody on here comes any where nr
please share with me these great tipsters cos i have not seen any
I know the price wise figures and they are not all that pretty even on advanced prices, fact.
crackerpants on page 1 of the racing forum there are 2 threads were the
information freely given knocks pricewise sideways, seek and ye will find.
information freely given knocks pricewise sideways, seek and ye will find.
the bbc guy---declared bankrupt ---couldnt pay coucil tax?
I dont think you understand , pricewise always get backed so you can easily trade out all your losers.
Doing well for the year so far £46 profit. based on bsp . as we know you cant get on at the stated prices.
that is a myth mate YOU CAN get on and i do get on ,that 46 pound profit is also rubbish cos you get your money back on all your losers, its simple and brilliant
Try looking at this http://tipsterform.com/tom-segal-2012/
craacker...........the only people who get the price are tom and his mates....i doubt youre one of them so you DONT get on at the prices advised
cardiff , im not a liar and if you live in cardiff i can tell you how to get at least 200 quid on next saturday .
Anyone picking up today’s copy of the Racing Post wont failed to have noticed the big splash made on their front page after Tom Segal bagged a couple of winners yesterday for their Pricewise column.
Tom highlighted both Marcret and Absinthe who won at 13/2 and 10/3 SP, whilst he also picked out Jack Dexter for their subscription based Pricewise Extra service at 9/2 SP. (As a side-note, it’s worth noting that the 11/2 claimed by the RP on Absinthe would have likely been reduced by non-runners and Rule 4 deductions)
Naturally Tom should be pleased with himself for doing so well yesterday, but the bigger question is…just how well do his results stack up over time?
Well I want to tackle that today as since October 2009 we have been tracking every single one of the tips supplied by the Racing Post’s Pricewise Extra service in order to report back to our members.
The Pricewise Extra service allows access to the paid for tips service from the Racing Post that costs followers between £1.90 a day and £4.50 per week if paying annually to follow. Posted up at midday, it features tips from the likes of Tom Segal, Andrew Barr and others such as Eddie Fremantle & Paul Kealy on a daily basis.
Tom Segal Previously Bang Out Of Form
What the Racing Post fail to tell you is just how poor Tom’s tips through the Pricewise Extra service have been for a long time, prior to the winner yesterday.
Taking his figures at advised odds (more about how tricky these are to obtain shortly) since the start of 2011, our records show his stats as follows:
129 bets, 131 pts staked
loss to advised odds of -51 pts and a Return on Investment of -38.93%
This also includes a recent run of 33 bets which failed to yield one first placed finish, with just a placed each way effort at 12/1 stopping the losing rot.
Prior to 2011 though, Tom was red-hot with a profit of 132.2 pts from 175 bets and a 75.11% ROI.
Indeed if combining his record both pre and post 2011, our record shows that he comes out with a 26.45% Return on Investment from 303 bets so overall he is profitable. You just need to be very patient if following him in…and that’s before we discuss how tough it is to get the odds he puts forward.
Tom highlighted both Marcret and Absinthe who won at 13/2 and 10/3 SP, whilst he also picked out Jack Dexter for their subscription based Pricewise Extra service at 9/2 SP. (As a side-note, it’s worth noting that the 11/2 claimed by the RP on Absinthe would have likely been reduced by non-runners and Rule 4 deductions)
Naturally Tom should be pleased with himself for doing so well yesterday, but the bigger question is…just how well do his results stack up over time?
Well I want to tackle that today as since October 2009 we have been tracking every single one of the tips supplied by the Racing Post’s Pricewise Extra service in order to report back to our members.
The Pricewise Extra service allows access to the paid for tips service from the Racing Post that costs followers between £1.90 a day and £4.50 per week if paying annually to follow. Posted up at midday, it features tips from the likes of Tom Segal, Andrew Barr and others such as Eddie Fremantle & Paul Kealy on a daily basis.
Tom Segal Previously Bang Out Of Form
What the Racing Post fail to tell you is just how poor Tom’s tips through the Pricewise Extra service have been for a long time, prior to the winner yesterday.
Taking his figures at advised odds (more about how tricky these are to obtain shortly) since the start of 2011, our records show his stats as follows:
129 bets, 131 pts staked
loss to advised odds of -51 pts and a Return on Investment of -38.93%
This also includes a recent run of 33 bets which failed to yield one first placed finish, with just a placed each way effort at 12/1 stopping the losing rot.
Prior to 2011 though, Tom was red-hot with a profit of 132.2 pts from 175 bets and a 75.11% ROI.
Indeed if combining his record both pre and post 2011, our record shows that he comes out with a 26.45% Return on Investment from 303 bets so overall he is profitable. You just need to be very patient if following him in…and that’s before we discuss how tough it is to get the odds he puts forward.
Quoted from a few months back, but still funny and to the point.
Also--you hav to back every horse
The formites on here who said he followed PW for 3 years
The day he didn't do it-- he had 4 winners
The formites on here who said he followed PW for 3 years
The day he didn't do it-- he had 4 winners
that is a myth mate YOU CAN get on and i do get on
Unfortunately you're liable for R4 deductions, which the Post conveniently forget to report when advertising his winners.
Unfortunately you're liable for R4 deductions, which the Post conveniently forget to report when advertising his winners.
When you back a winner of a race and you've done the study yourself you get a great deal of pleasure in knowing that the work / time you've put in has paid off, to me thats more important than the financial return. I can't understand why people invest their money on the say so of a tipster, newspaper or other, what pleasure do they get out of that ?.
Forgetting the politics of Pricewise I'm pleased for Tom Segal and his followers that he had a good day yesterday after a poor run during the flat race season. Unfortunately there will have been many of his followers deserted him during the bad run and they would be cursing themselves yesterday. One of the posts above state that he is in profit over a number of years, I would say there would be very few who have backed all his selections during that period.
Forgetting the politics of Pricewise I'm pleased for Tom Segal and his followers that he had a good day yesterday after a poor run during the flat race season. Unfortunately there will have been many of his followers deserted him during the bad run and they would be cursing themselves yesterday. One of the posts above state that he is in profit over a number of years, I would say there would be very few who have backed all his selections during that period.
yep i would concur with that, its a bit like doing a crossword or a huge jigsaw...much smugness and self satisfsctioned, its good to know u are good at stuff
Untrue - read today`s paper and stop crying.
No Martyn, it isn't untrue. Now please don't slip back into your old ways, I don't want you to have the whole forum showing you up again.
No Martyn, it isn't untrue. Now please don't slip back into your old ways, I don't want you to have the whole forum showing you up again.
Nice post CRACKERPANTS...this is a real hot topic
How do you get to "trade out your losers??"
tell us on here or drop me a PM, Cheers, Steve
How do you get to "trade out your losers??"
tell us on here or drop me a PM, Cheers, Steve
the laughable part of todays posts headlines are the ones quoting the likes of paddys,hills etc of people having yankees etc on toms tips and adding in jack dexter which pricewise never tipped,cant see in my post where tom advised any combination bets,
also you must factor in alot of those following tom every week will be backing them ew although this is never advised by tom ,thus diluting the winning numbers even more
also you must factor in alot of those following tom every week will be backing them ew although this is never advised by tom ,thus diluting the winning numbers even more
To be fair ....the forum's very own big field handicap expert put this up on twitter on Thursday...
Mr moloko @whataguesser
I don't understand why Captian Ramius is 33/1 for the #Ayrgoldcup. A 7f horse could be ideal on Saturday. Two solid runs of late.
1 point ew
12:22pm - 20 Sep 12
Mr moloko @whataguesser
I don't understand why Captian Ramius is 33/1 for the #Ayrgoldcup. A 7f horse could be ideal on Saturday. Two solid runs of late.
1 point ew
12:22pm - 20 Sep 12
At least you can get on mr m's picks unlike segal imvho
as posted elsewhere there must be something unethical about the segal,badbrookes,racing post axis,why would the post marketed as the punters friend take pleasure in been part an early warning system for the high streets biggest bookmaker,even i noticed the odds difference between laddies and the rest on toms picks yesterday
the whole of fecking british racing is unethical with so many parasites feeding off the books...
Is it reasonable to assume that all those aftertimers who did the multiples yesterday, do so every week, and if so, have they been losing plenty when we don't hear from them for months?
segal aside putting in a shout for my mate who had a patent on the topweights in yesterdatys nuseries across the country, 
fair play to Tom: like Hugh Taylor he knows there can be long losing runs but a confident 33-1 selection makes up for that; not his fault that the ipad prices make it hard/impossible to get a tenner on in the morning. Pissed off though that my bet KINSGATE NATIVE got chinned by another of his tips
He got very lucky with the sprint winner at Newbury - I was on KN & he was clearly the best horse. I'd happily take on Segal over a year of trying to flag up winners on Saturday cards, & would make myself a 1-3 shot to beat him if I was asked to price up the h2h.
fraudy is back pretending to back the winners and trade the losers............have u posted any edited bets since u exposed urself the last time time ?....have u learned what a rule 4 is yet?
tom kerr must be a pricewise denier ,as in his backslapping article(deserved)he had kirthill as unplaced ,yet it was 4th (16 runners),not very good really considering they had a front page spread on how he had hammered the bookies.
Ive tried a new way of doing bets, as from the start of Sept ive been doing a £10E/W Double total bets so far is 26 bets total £520 total wins 7 total £1198 so £600+ total profit so far....
used to follow P/Ws but when i did it they would lose, the day i didnt get up to do them they came in so gave up
used to follow P/Ws but when i did it they would lose, the day i didnt get up to do them they came in so gave up
never give up if you referring to me as fraudy then your so wrong , i dont just trade the losers , I TRADE THE LOT , it works .
crackerpants, never give up = deluded fool to be ignored. Well done on finding a profitable system.
Sep 24, 2012 -- 5:59AM, crackerpants wrote:
never give up if you referring to me as fraudy then your so wrong , i dont just trade the losers , I TRADE THE LOT , it works .
no,not refering to u as fraudy at all.............everyone on here knows fraudys history
cracker dont describe what you do on here !! you will be called an arber !! and everyone will hate you 
Holywell: That's interesting what you say about going through the form yourself, picking out a horse and then seeing it win. There's no question that it's really satisfying. I used to do it but I'm afraid that unless you're a Tom Segal or a Hugh Taylor you'll lose in the long run.
I've been following Pricewise for some time now and have only had one losing year with him,(2008). It's easy to say but you just need patience and a big enough bank,(at least 100 times your normal stake to feel comfortable). And don't just do singles; Goodwood and Ayr with Pricewise have made my year. It may take a little time to get used to backing a tipster instead of your own fancies but in my opinion it's the only way to long term profit. I don't care if Tom's on one bookmakers payroll, there's plenty of them to get on with.
I've been following Pricewise for some time now and have only had one losing year with him,(2008). It's easy to say but you just need patience and a big enough bank,(at least 100 times your normal stake to feel comfortable). And don't just do singles; Goodwood and Ayr with Pricewise have made my year. It may take a little time to get used to backing a tipster instead of your own fancies but in my opinion it's the only way to long term profit. I don't care if Tom's on one bookmakers payroll, there's plenty of them to get on with.
cheerful,
If it works for you thats fine.
When Pricewise is on a long losing run you obviously still back his selections. Were you tempted to either change your tipster or select your own in 2008 ?
If it works for you thats fine.
When Pricewise is on a long losing run you obviously still back his selections. Were you tempted to either change your tipster or select your own in 2008 ?
No, I tend to stick with him through thick and thin and also Templegate in the Sun; Phil Logan was good before he moved and Steve Jones got his act together last year finishing up with the National winner at a massive price on the machine. He's near the bottom of the tipsters table but thats good as he'll try all the more harder to produce the winners.
You don't need much on when they strike with a decent price. Another thing; I hardly ever have a decent bet under 3s; then say on a scale of 1 to 10 points, I'll have fewer points on the lower priced tips and more on the higher priced ones, so when a big priced one goes in I don't wish that I'd had more on as that disipline ensures that I already have.
It probably goes against the grain to have a decent bet on a big priced horse but Pricewise finds them; you just have to hang on in there when he's having a losing run which he is bound to have at the odds his tips are. I try not to take it too seriously as the more successful you are the harder it gets placing the bets. Roll on Newmarket!
You don't need much on when they strike with a decent price. Another thing; I hardly ever have a decent bet under 3s; then say on a scale of 1 to 10 points, I'll have fewer points on the lower priced tips and more on the higher priced ones, so when a big priced one goes in I don't wish that I'd had more on as that disipline ensures that I already have.
It probably goes against the grain to have a decent bet on a big priced horse but Pricewise finds them; you just have to hang on in there when he's having a losing run which he is bound to have at the odds his tips are. I try not to take it too seriously as the more successful you are the harder it gets placing the bets. Roll on Newmarket!
is pricewise the best tipster the world as ever known ?
don't be ridiculous
don't be ridiculous
cheerful sparrow 25 Sep 12 10:50
Holywell: That's interesting what you say about going through the form yourself, picking out a horse and then seeing it win. There's no question that it's really satisfying. I used to do it but I'm afraid that unless you're a Tom Segal or a Hugh Taylor you'll lose in the long run.
I've been following Pricewise for some time now and have only had one losing year with him,(2008). It's easy to say but you just need patience and a big enough bank,(at least 100 times your normal stake to feel comfortable). And don't just do singles; Goodwood and Ayr with Pricewise have made my year. It may take a little time to get used to backing a tipster instead of your own fancies but in my opinion it's the only way to long term profit. I don't care if Tom's on one bookmakers payroll, there's plenty of them to get on with.
utter utter nonsense !
Holywell: That's interesting what you say about going through the form yourself, picking out a horse and then seeing it win. There's no question that it's really satisfying. I used to do it but I'm afraid that unless you're a Tom Segal or a Hugh Taylor you'll lose in the long run.
I've been following Pricewise for some time now and have only had one losing year with him,(2008). It's easy to say but you just need patience and a big enough bank,(at least 100 times your normal stake to feel comfortable). And don't just do singles; Goodwood and Ayr with Pricewise have made my year. It may take a little time to get used to backing a tipster instead of your own fancies but in my opinion it's the only way to long term profit. I don't care if Tom's on one bookmakers payroll, there's plenty of them to get on with.
utter utter nonsense !
Facts 25 Sep 12 16:39 utter utter nonsense!
Fine Facts, you're entitled to your opinion; all I'll say is it works for me. I don't care how I make a profit from horse racing,as long as that's the end result. It's a business to me and I lay my stall out accordingly.
Fine Facts, you're entitled to your opinion; all I'll say is it works for me. I don't care how I make a profit from horse racing,as long as that's the end result. It's a business to me and I lay my stall out accordingly.
stupid pointless thread and no hes not he is rubbish like all tipsters ......................
Pricewise is like a little club for punting's also rans, imo...
now now millhouse. all these people make a living out of getting £20 on a winner every 10 weeks or so.
who are you the guy that started this thread are you feeling okay like ..................
for those of you who wouldnt pick up a £50 note in the street ,keep ignoring the pricewise feature
for those with more sense carry on taking notice !!
for those with more sense carry on taking notice !!
what about alex gorrie was good years ago when i was betting big
for those of you who wouldnt pick up a £50 note in the street ,keep ignoring the pricewise feature
More like people can't be arsed traipsing around the streets at 8.30am on a Saturday morning trying to get a score on at a price that doesn't exist.
More like people can't be arsed traipsing around the streets at 8.30am on a Saturday morning trying to get a score on at a price that doesn't exist.
for those of you who wouldnt pick up a £50 note in the street ,keep ignoring the pricewise feature
if it was a clean one I'd pick it up.
if it was a clean one I'd pick it up.
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