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By:
wee eck
When: 22 Sep 12 20:37
crackerpants, there are one or two tipsters on here who are superior.
By:
crackerpants
When: 22 Sep 12 20:39
dont be ridiculas nobody on here comes any where nr
By:
wee eck
When: 22 Sep 12 20:57
CRACKERPANTS, YOU ARE JOKING.
By:
crackerpants
When: 22 Sep 12 20:59
please share with me these great tipsters cos i have not seen any
By:
Front-runner
When: 22 Sep 12 21:02
I know the price wise figures and they are not all that pretty even on advanced prices, fact.
By:
wee eck
When: 22 Sep 12 21:03
crackerpants on page 1 of the racing forum there are 2 threads were the

information freely given knocks pricewise sideways, seek and ye will find.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 22 Sep 12 21:07
templegate WAS on a good run
By:
xmoneyx
When: 22 Sep 12 21:14
the bbc guy---declared bankrupt ---couldnt pay coucil tax?
By:
crackerpants
When: 22 Sep 12 21:32
I dont think you understand , pricewise always get backed so you can easily trade out all your losers.
By:
thebeg
When: 22 Sep 12 21:33
and keep the winners,great idea m8
By:
lineuk
When: 22 Sep 12 21:37
Doing well for the year so far £46 profit. based on bsp . as we know you cant get on at the stated prices.
By:
crackerpants
When: 22 Sep 12 21:40
that is a myth mate YOU CAN get on and i do get on ,that 46 pound profit is also rubbish cos you get your money back on all your losers, its simple and brilliant
By:
lineuk
When: 22 Sep 12 21:46
Try looking at this http://tipsterform.com/tom-segal-2012/
By:
cardifffc
When: 22 Sep 12 22:16
craacker...........the only people who get the price are tom and his mates....i doubt youre one of them so  you DONT  get on at the prices advised
By:
cardifffc
When: 22 Sep 12 22:18
and if you say different youre a  BIG FAT LIAR
By:
crackerpants
When: 22 Sep 12 22:19
cardiff , im not a liar and if you live in cardiff i can tell you how to get at least 200 quid on next saturday .
By:
xmoneyx
When: 22 Sep 12 22:27
Pmsl
By:
Front-runner
When: 22 Sep 12 22:33
Anyone picking up today’s copy of the Racing Post wont failed to have noticed the big splash made on their front page after Tom Segal bagged a couple of winners yesterday for their Pricewise column.

Tom highlighted both Marcret and Absinthe who won at 13/2 and 10/3 SP, whilst he also picked out Jack Dexter for their subscription based Pricewise Extra service at 9/2 SP. (As a side-note, it’s worth noting that the 11/2 claimed by the RP on Absinthe would have likely been reduced by non-runners and Rule 4 deductions)

Naturally Tom should be pleased with himself for doing so well yesterday, but the bigger question is…just how well do his results stack up over time?

Well I want to tackle that today as since October 2009 we have been tracking every single one of the tips supplied by the Racing Post’s Pricewise Extra service in order to report back to our members.

The Pricewise Extra service allows access to the paid for tips service from the Racing Post that costs followers between £1.90 a day and £4.50 per week if paying annually to follow. Posted up at midday, it features tips from the likes of Tom Segal, Andrew Barr and others such as Eddie Fremantle & Paul Kealy on a daily basis.

Tom Segal Previously Bang Out Of Form

What the Racing Post fail to tell you is just how poor Tom’s tips through the Pricewise Extra service have been for a long time, prior to the winner yesterday.

Taking his figures at advised odds (more about how tricky these are to obtain shortly) since the start of 2011, our records show his stats as follows:

129 bets, 131 pts staked
loss to advised odds of -51 pts and a Return on Investment of -38.93%

This also includes a recent run of 33 bets which failed to yield one first placed finish, with just a placed each way effort at 12/1 stopping the losing rot.

Prior to 2011 though, Tom was red-hot with a profit of 132.2 pts from 175 bets and a 75.11% ROI.

Indeed if combining his record both pre and post 2011, our record shows that he comes out with a 26.45% Return on Investment from 303 bets so overall he is profitable. You just need to be very patient if following him in…and that’s before we discuss how tough it is to get the odds he puts forward.
By:
Front-runner
When: 22 Sep 12 22:34
Quoted from a few months back, but still funny and to the point.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 22 Sep 12 22:40
Also--you hav to back every horse

The formites on here who said he followed PW for 3 years

The day he didn't do it-- he had 4 winners
By:
Slim Pickens
When: 23 Sep 12 00:04
ill take him on
By:
ebulGery
When: 23 Sep 12 00:08
I thought MONEY TREE was the best tipsterConfused
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 23 Sep 12 00:31
that is a myth mate YOU CAN get on and i do get on

Unfortunately you're liable for R4 deductions, which the Post conveniently forget to report when advertising his winners.
By:
lazarus2
When: 23 Sep 12 02:49
Untrue - read today`s paper and stop crying.
By:
holywell
When: 23 Sep 12 07:45
When you back a winner of a race and you've done the study yourself you get a great deal of pleasure in knowing that the work / time you've put in has paid off, to me thats more important than the financial return. I can't understand why people invest their money on the say so of a tipster, newspaper or other, what pleasure do they get out of that ?.

Forgetting the politics of Pricewise I'm pleased for Tom Segal and his followers that he had a good day yesterday after a poor run during the flat race season. Unfortunately there will have been many of his followers deserted him during the bad run and they would be cursing themselves yesterday. One of the posts above state that he is in profit over a number of years, I would say there would be very few who have backed all his selections during that period.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Sep 12 08:35
Well said holly
By:
Slim Pickens
When: 23 Sep 12 08:37
yep i would concur with that, its a bit like doing a crossword or a huge jigsaw...much smugness and self satisfsctioned, its good to know u are good at stuff
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 23 Sep 12 09:23
Untrue - read today`s paper and stop crying.

No Martyn, it isn't untrue. Now please don't slip back into your old ways, I don't want you to have the whole forum showing you up again.
By:
stephensteve
When: 23 Sep 12 12:51
Nice post CRACKERPANTS...this is a real hot topic

How do you get to "trade out your losers??"

tell us on here or drop me a PM, Cheers, Steve
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Sep 12 13:05
the laughable part of todays posts headlines are the ones quoting the likes of paddys,hills etc of people having yankees etc on toms tips and adding in jack dexter which pricewise never tipped,cant see in my post where tom advised any combination bets,
also you must factor in alot of those following tom every week will be backing them ew although this is never advised by tom ,thus diluting the winning numbers even more
By:
scooper82
When: 23 Sep 12 13:05
To be fair ....the forum's very own big field handicap expert put this up on twitter on Thursday...

Mr moloko @whataguesser

I don't understand why Captian Ramius is 33/1 for the #Ayrgoldcup. A 7f horse could be ideal on Saturday. Two solid runs of late.
1 point ew
12:22pm - 20 Sep 12
By:
scooper82
When: 23 Sep 12 13:06
At least you can get on mr m's picks unlike segal imvho
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Sep 12 13:12
as posted elsewhere there must be something unethical about the segal,badbrookes,racing post axis,why would the post marketed as the punters friend take pleasure in been part an early warning system for the high streets biggest bookmaker,even i noticed  the odds difference between laddies and the rest on toms picks yesterday
By:
Slim Pickens
When: 23 Sep 12 13:14
the whole of fecking british racing is unethical with so many parasites feeding off the books...
By:
saddo
When: 23 Sep 12 13:18
Is it reasonable to assume that all those aftertimers who did the multiples yesterday, do so every week, and if so, have they been losing plenty when we don't hear from them for months?
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Sep 12 13:21
segal aside putting in a shout for my mate who had a patent on the topweights in yesterdatys nuseries across the country, Happy
By:
notoriousp.i.g.
When: 23 Sep 12 13:36
fair play to Tom: like Hugh Taylor he knows there can be long losing runs but a confident 33-1 selection makes up for that; not his fault that the ipad prices make it hard/impossible to get a tenner on in the morning.  Pissed off though that my bet KINSGATE NATIVE got chinned by another of his tips
By:
lazarus2
When: 23 Sep 12 17:36
Gonzo cannot read it seems.
By:
johnnyrant
When: 23 Sep 12 17:58
He got very lucky with the sprint winner at Newbury - I was on KN & he was clearly the best horse. I'd happily take on Segal over a year of trying to flag up winners on Saturday cards, & would make myself a 1-3 shot to beat him if I was asked to price up the h2h.
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