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"The RP forecast" ?
 You are making a case that racing is corrupt based on the RP forecast usually being wrong ??? You are becoming ever more amusing. |
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R P = Reverential Price
/ˌrevəˈrenʃ(ə)l/ caused by, or full of, a strong feeling of respect and admiration He gazed at her in reverential awe. |
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Your amusement shows your stupidity "bolty". Any forecast is going to be "wrong" as you put it, but why is it so consistently wrong on the one side where winners are concerned? Suppose a coin was tossed 40 times a day and the rp forecast always went evens each of two. If the average sp of the winning tosses divided by the average rp f/c was 0.75 over a large sample what would your conclusion be? The rp f/c was "amusing"?
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Fair enough Feck. I'm happy to admit you obviously study the whole thing pretty deeply, much more than me, but I'm sure you realise as I do that there will always be those with advantages. That's not to say it's right of course. Regarding "accelerating the demise of the game", I suppose what you're pointing at is a kind of perverted law of diminishing returns. Difficult to argue that, with the added difficulty of diminishing levy returns, mostly due to the FOBT "attraction".
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Alias 23 Sep 12 11:09 Joined: 28 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 2,152 | Blogger: Alias's blog
Fair enough Feck. I'm happy to admit you obviously study the whole thing pretty deeply, much more than me And he is still clueless after all his "studying", and when he gets it wrong, which he does on a daily basis he starts a thread blaming everyone except himself, if he was anyway smart and believed half of the crap he posts, he would never back a horse again. |
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Tbf, knowledge is power... same as it ever was !
 P.S. Betfair, can we 'ave an emicon for a secret handshake !  |
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That's the thing Alias, it's as if the racing fraternity have never come to terms with the fact there are now alternatives. In the old days your average punter might have felt he was getting a less than fair deal but put up with it because he liked a bet but now he'll just turn to something else to bet on and get his fix. While I agree there will always be people with advantages the solution is to have a system that has penalties in place for abusing those advantages. How do you quantify what amounts to abuse? The same way the rest of us do, through the market.
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And he is still clueless after all his "studying", and when he gets it wrong, which he does on a daily basis he starts a thread blaming everyone except himself, if he was anyway smart and believed half of the crap he posts, he would never back a horse again
I would put money on it you're an insider Gandalf and one of those insiders who are destroying the game. If you're not then you're the clueless mug. |
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Another of your conspiracy theories Feck, that I'm an insider, it's always someone else to blame with you. You're own choice of username alludes to what you already believe yourself to be, change it to what you, me and many others on here know you to be, "Fcuking Idiot".
You are a clueless loser, you can't stop gambling by your own admission on a previous moaning thread of yours, you back in nearly every race, when you lose it's not your fault but always others. If you believe a small percentage of the krapp you post about the game and still back horses despite this, then you truly are an idiot. |
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If you're not an insider Gandalf then you must be one of their @rse sookers and probably believe the old Deano line "the racing in this country is the straightest in the world". The fact your latest rant resorts to a play on my user name (nobody's ever thought of that before - did you ever see the episode of Father Ted with Richard Wilson?) exposes you for the clown you are.
I'm not a loser. I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not. As far as me continuing to bet while knowing the game is corrupt is concerned, that's no different to operating a successful High St store despite shoplifting being rife. |
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Feck,
good morning. I think you've alluded to yourself that the exchanges have led to increased corruption/ insider information ! Surely, those of us play the horses on a regular basis understand this, and factor it in to our ''informed?'' calculations ! ? |
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You are nothing but a constant losing moaner, thread after thread, day after day, all down to somebody else.
Like I said, if you believe half the krapp you write about the game. why continue to back? Point Proven. |
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I like your High st shop analogy Feck, i'd love to see you running one of those, every time an old women put her hand in her pocket to pull out her purse you'd be sweeping her legs from under her for fear of her pulling out a knife to rob you.
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He'd only sell to customers' wearing 'oss masks !
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Surely, those of us play the horses on a regular basis understand this, and factor it in to our ''informed?'' calculations
Of course but it doesn't follow that we should accept it anymore than the High St store would expect its security guards to turn a blind eye to the shoplifters. I like your High st shop analogy Feck, i'd love to see you running one of those, every time an old women put her hand in her pocket to pull out her purse you'd be sweeping her legs from under her for fear of her pulling out a knife to rob you. If shoplifting was as rife as corruption in racing I'd be entirely justified. Racing folk think they have a divine right to defraud punters (although they don't see it as fraud). |
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Bookmakers don't accept bets from winners. We all know that, we know it's wrong, we all complain about it and long for the day it's exposed for what it is. Why should we accept corruption within racing without so much as a whimper?
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Punters who claim they don't win because they only have the form book are in denial. They don't win because they are not good enough to win at the game
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I go racing a hell of a lot, im a paddock / to post watcher,i do think that especially in the lower grade the form book is of very little relevance tbh.
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"there's little doubt it( corruption ) has got worse since exchanges".Where is your evidence for this.Haven't things got better for YOU since exchanges ? If there were not exchanges,who would you bet with ?I don't think you would get your sort of stakes on with bookmakers.
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I think there are a few little clues there without empirical evidence. The most obvious one for me would be the number of horses slowly away due to the late removal of blindfolds. This used to an extremely rare occurance, is commonplace now.
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Feck
The betting forecasts in the Rp are often wrong( concerning many more losers than winners) because those that compile them are not very good at it. This has been the case for 25 years,it's not some sudden conspiracy. I've changed my mind. You are not amusing. You are just a complete tool who has to blame someone else for your mistakes. |
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Thats a bit harsh bolty....
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FYI bolty
If you adjust both the rp f/c and the sp of all runners to a 100% book (using a formula that maps sp's to their "true" odds) then winners are 62% more likely to have a shorter SP100 than FC100 and losers are 60% more likely to have a larger SP100 than FC100. If racing is straight don't you find it strange that the rp f/c errors seem so skewed in differing directions wrt winners and losers? |
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I love it when a gamble is landed. Its an expensive game is keeping horses in training, fair play to connections when they land one.
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Owners are being made mugs of by bookmakers, trainers, racecourses etc. That does not give them the right to defraud punters.
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Who the hell is defrauding punters? If you think these gambles are so good then join in !! You will soon find out that there are more losing ones than winning ones.
Feck, you are so miserable and negative about horse racing, all you ever do is whinge whinge and then whinge again have you ever thought another hobby? One that might cheer you up a bit? |
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Feck, do you think or agree with me that anyone who pays PC on
here of rates between 20-60% of their profits must be insiders or outright cheats, it seems inconceivable that any straight player would stand for it. |
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It seems to me that many on here have lost the joy that Horse Racing is meant to provide, i understand that many play on here as their main source of income, i also understand that some play with far bigger banks than others. The fact of the matter however is this, there is no code, there is no Golden Egg, we CANNOT get it right all the time and we should enjoy the times that we do.
If you find this sport and its supposed cheating (which i am not saying does not take place) eating you up on a daily basis it is time for you to review your situation and consider doing somthing else. This great sport is what it is, a sport....but with its hand in hand relationship with gambling there will be many times when the glaringly obvious does not happen, and in its place comes shock and surprise, disbelief even. Im not saying it is right, but overheads for connections are excessive to say the least, and they all want a piece of the action. Enjoy the winners, take the losers with a pinch of salt as more winners are always just around the corner. Its all just a game. |
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Tiger of course there are are more losing gambles than winning ones
but does it matter when you are achieving huge odds about the winners you are finding. |
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I agree with Tiger
take my nap yesterday Peachey Moment F/cast 5/1 in the racing post ok it was a very open race i made it anything between 9/2 and 6/1 Blow me the nag opened 8/1 drifted to 11/1 and was never at the races beaten 28 yes 28 lengths ...... Come racing get the Value |
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zipper that happens daily, those in the know must get their wages.
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wee eck. Gambles come from many different sources and for many different reasons. Some are tipster based, some are connection based, some are just shrewdies out there who can spot an overpriced horse and act accordingly, some are going based - when the rain comes especially, some are form based. People should stop whining about these gambles - no one forces anyone to bet in this game. Deal with the situation as you see it, if you don't like it, then don't play, no one forces us to.
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Wee eck i agree it happens daily
But most punters like beening kissed when they are getting shafted  |
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eck, most pc payers are traders and/or cheats but not all are. I doubt there will be many insiders paying pc as they're unlikely to go beyond the 150 markets on their cheating account.
Tiger, nobody forces us to use banks. Doesn't mean they should be allowed to shaft all and sundry. And nobody's saying all gambles are corrupt but in many cases the form couldn't possibly justify the confidence. |
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zipper, I am sure you will be french kissed if you ask nicely
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Feck you talk a lot of sense but so do i
gambles are when the form book says it cannot win say the nag opens 16/1 punted down to 9/2 and wins pulling a cart The BHB and Jockey Club say nowt .. Thats what is wrong with racing Today and thats why The BBC is pulling out of Horse Racing . |
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Feck 150 markets? I have used over 29000 markets in my time on here.
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zipper, that type of thing has gone on since time memorial the difference
these days is how easy to lay one on here when it is not off. |