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How long does Racing have left in England?
How long does Racing have left in England?
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as long as fixed odds betting dominates, it will never solve its problems. all the countries with a healthy racing industry (japan, hong kong, australia, france, US) have a tote monopoly or did have for a very long time and its still the dominant way of gambling (australia).......there is very little interest in racing in france compared to the UK, but they have a tote monopoly, hence great prize money. in america they have casino gambling at the track which forms the basis for their prize money along with the tote monopoly..........all UK racings problems stem from giving the game away decades ago to fixed odds betting. anyone that tells us different is lying. irish prize money is funded 50% by a state subsidy. thats the only reason why our prize money is better than the UK's.
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Flat Racing should be ok for a while Jump Racing is hanging on by a thread imho.To many fatalities and young people are not interested in the main....Times are changing like it or lump it.
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You're obviously looking at Horse Racing in other countries through rose tinted glasses. In the US more than 40 tracks have closed since 2000 with the amount of races staged being reduced year on year. In 1989 there were more than 74,000 races. Last year there were only 33,453. All racing will end in North California by the end of the year.
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Would you really want to bet on the kind of Racing they stage in Hong Kong? Every race a large competitive field, almost impossible to sort out. The same people were crying about how competitive the Racing League races were! A Tote monopoly wouldn't be the answer to the problems in British racing IMVHO.
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The Tote funding model needs addressing. But the poor returns to racing from betting turnover is the real key, so bookmakers need to pay more in levy or be taxed more highly with money returned to horse racing as state aid. Prize money levels have barely budged in 20 years.
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whippin picadilly......have you seen the prize money at santa anita, del mar, belmont park and saratoga?...........the latter has 100k maidens...........
its all about the prize money. |
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I keep hearing this about national hunt racing I remember been at aintree to see kildimo and dessie there was hardly anybody on course that day now it’s incredibly busy each day over 30 years on ,and in the main young people
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Horse Racing in the UK is actually financially well off. Do not read the doom headlines from the Racing Post etc. We still are the 2nd biggest sport in the country behind Football.
There maybe a decline in interest in horse racing, but that happens to sports. At least we have the National Hunt racing back, something to look forward to  |
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Well done trident a positive post
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And let's not forget Cheltenham and Aintree does produce the best horses to run. Great for spectators IMO.
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We do need a Christmas festival trident ,one day at kempton and two at ascot ,getting races from Newbury and sandown plus a couple from the weekend prior to Christmas run at ascot.
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However won’t happen bha never make good decisions
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I would like to point out" Don't believe everything you read" Usually shareholder interests are ratcheting up pressure on media to highlight negative problems for their own benefits in the end.... When lots start SHOUTING, racing in decline affordability etc, I always think to myself there is an agenda somewhere... And it's not usually about the SPORT as a whole. It's individuals big global companies trying to accumulate wealth for themselves!!!
We are in a recession, we are all suffering from the cost of living crisis. But we shouldn't forget, horse racing is about the HORSES at the end of the day. There are Plenty of tracks around the country making a tidy profit from media rights. |
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I think most of us do trident but the rest of the holiday period is average other than the challow hurdle and the finale hurdle.
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Christmas is all about Wincanton on Boxing Day, Chepstow on the 27th, Devon & Exeter on New year's Day, Taunton on one of the days in between. Good races, massive crowds of young people, literally overflowing, the stands can't cope.
If you live in the North, I'm sure you've got your equivalents at Wetherby, etc. It's one of the great traditions of the Turf, and the last thing I'd want is for the BHA to "premierize" all that away. Who needs a London Festival that the rest of the country just sits at home watching on the telly? |
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When you throw in the word premierize screaming then of course I am against that and yes the north gets huge crowds that week although it’s not the case at haydock for some reason.
My idea would not alter start times or anything else at the tracks you mention those young people would still go and attendances at the recourses would still be good ,the races I would use are those already in place between around the 18 th December through till the first Saturday in January ,and create a big 3 day fixture starting on Boxing Day at kempton. |
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I just hate changing things, jimnast. Unintended consequences, and all that. Christmas would become all about ITV promoting the London Festival, rather than promoting the Castleford Chase and the Welsh National alongside and equal to the King George and the Christmas Hurdle. I'd worry that Wetherby and Chepstow would become second-rate, supplementary fixtures.
Sorry. I'm not looking for an argument here. I do see your point. I'm just fearful that so much about British racing which worked has already been lost. The fixture list evolved the way it did because that's what either the participants or the spectators wanted. My instinctive reaction to central planners forcing their ideas on the sport is always to oppose them. |
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You speak a lot of sense screaming and I know you care about horse racing .
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Incidentally the likes of the castleford chase Welsh national and the finale hurdle wouldn’t be affected,I would lose the ascot pre Christmas fixture and take the likes of the Ladbroke and long walk hurdle,plus the good novice races and the silver cup,add the challow from Newbury and the tolworth from sandown,the first day at kempton would be much the same but the 2 nd would go ,it’s not good enough but 3 races the wayward lad the desert orchid and the mares hurdle could be added to the two days at ascot.
I realise members at sandown and Newbury wouldn’t be happy |
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However wealthy owners are they never lose the thrill of winning a cash prize
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In general it's hard to be optimistic about the future of racing although it will probably survive in some altered format.
One of my pet peeves is the fact that so many of the top performers do so little racing. Some of the best horses race for only two or three times a season or only over two seasons. Punters don't get to see enough exciting clashes between the best as they are all ducking and diving to avoid each other. Flat horses in particular seldom get the chance to become'stars' and household names with a wider publicin the way some NH horses do. Thoroughbreds are supposed to be RACE horses not GALLOPS horses. |
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If you cut the fixture list by 33% then the prize money would be better divided, who wants to watch AW Racing in the summer,
or jump racing in the height of the summer.?. cut those out and put that prize money towards the lower end of the scale. |
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Yes lets throw thousands of people out of work by decimating the industry in order to please people who might not like a particular type of racing.
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how does getting people to watch and bet on an evening meeting under the lights get more a tiny number on the slots ?
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get more than
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If you cut the fixture list by 33%, you'd be cutting the Levy yield and media rights payments by 33% too.
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But you can choose which part of racing you enjoy and stick to it. How many Football fans other than fanatics ever watch Division 1 and 2 let alone National league so why should a racing fan need to watch every race? I do watch most GB races as I am retired but I don't watch many Irish or French ones and certainly not Australia, South Africa or America. And even then, 90% of my bets are non handicaps which restricts me to 2 or 3 per meeting.
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Back in 2008 when I first joined you might see an 8 runner selling handicap at Sedgefield have 450K matched on here.
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screaming from beneaththewaves 21 Sep 23 14:07 Joined: 30 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 14,989 | Blogger: screaming from beneaththewaves's blog
If you cut the fixture list by 33%, you'd be cutting the Levy yield and media rights payments by 33% too. Disagree,it could even increase levy,if better more competitive racing,it could lead to more bets,a race every 5 mins is just overload. |
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Betting exchanges the biggest downfall of horse racing , allowing the sport to be more bent than ever . Most of racing is now bent /corrupt including most jockeys, i feel for the genuine trainers/owners in racing , there is no place for them now.
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cacique Joined: 21 Oct 07
Replies: 103721 Sep 23 17:43 Reducing the fixtures wouldn't reduce the number of horses in training would it? Yes it most certainly would by severely reducing the amount of opportunities many of these horses now have. People spend small fortunes on buying and keeping these horses in training. |
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Would increasing the prize money increase the number of horses in training immediately?
In the short term..impossible. There are only a certain number of mares covered every year with these being offered for sale and/or raced. In the long term of course its possible. But it would take a coordinated effort amongst many legs of the industry. And most of these stakeholders in UK don't know their ACAS from their NALGO!! |
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Jinzy can't win so blames bendy trainers
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Less races of higher grade and higher prize money would encourage better breeding match ups and not sentimental 50-rated mares producing 50-rated maidens, it only dilutes the quality of horse we have here. Less can definitely mean more.
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Less races overall you are wanting at just the top level, swifty?
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