never seen aidan o'brien like that before ..

very animated on C4 now.

Joseph sent to bed without his tea tonight.

he said all that and yet he said nothing

Lissen I am seething

Will not be allowed out to play for a week then back to school

He'll be gutted after F&G later too!!

The big strap for Joe tonight

little fu ker fell asleep on best horse what he think he at moon man had 1000 on @1/2 joke i would have won on it

aiden said "who is moneytree"?

bloods thicker than water. he can say all he likes but he was raging with that ride

How many times does he have to say listen? does he not think people listen to him? from what he said he was trying to make excuses for his son and put the blame on himself for not running pacemakers.

Magnier needs to step in and sort this out,

Appoint Moore as no1 as this won't happen again.......

JOB is useless,no clock in his head,weak in a finish, bad version of Spencer

weight will be the excuse they knew he only had a couple of seasons in him.........

moore done the same thing on strong suit tother week

and Francome compared him to Lester
aye he's as tall thats where the similarity ends.

he spoke a lot faster than he normally does and couldnt get his words out properly, a sure sign that he was extremely angry. wish he had the balls to say that the horse was given a poor ride

I think he was embarrassed for his son who let's face it balLzed up BIG TIME

heard him speaking to 5live : he was all over the place, did 'listen' 5 times, and was talking all jittery like.

maybe he's put his head on the line and is expecting it to be chopped off.

Greville Starkey never recovered from the poor ride on Dancing Brave me thinks this will haunt JOB for an awful long time no matter how his father defends him

"LISTEN" UP HERE STEAM WAS COMING OUT OF HIS EARS.IT WAS A SHOCKING RIDE AND HE KNOWS IT BUT ITS HIS BOY AND HE WILL NOT SLATE HIM IN PUBLIC.WHAT DECENT FATHER WOULD?

I agree definitely FURIOUS in that interview.  I've watched the race three times now and whilst it true Camelot didn't quicken like in the 2000g and the Derby, O'Brien indicated they expected that.  Encke started his surge to the front ½l up on Camelot. JPOB then had to take Camelot around Encke and found himself 3l down.  Although Camelot didn't quicken he stayed on quite well and reduced the deficit to 1l by the line.  Taking him around Encke like might well have made the difference.  Difficult to know if Encke would have found any more.  One thing for certain Encke got a better ride.

from where Enke and Camelot were 2½f out, I would have thought the jockey on the Guineas winner was entitled to think he wouldnt get outquickened to that extent....in fact, without the benefit of hindsight, you would have thought more of a concern might be that he wouldnt last home....seems everyone else disagrees

He will be replaced next season. No way will Magnier and co be that forgiving. They are ruthless and sentiment will not be an issue.

Was Soumillon ever even offered the job?

the answer to this question has to be
too much porn watching!

oh god! what have i said?

"you would have thought more of a concern might be that he wouldnt last home"

Yes but you dont ride a Guineas/Derby winner in the Leger as a non stayer surely? Certainly not "the best horse I've ever had"

oom next time over 2mcamelot was GOING ON at the end of that race
77 days off has clearly laid out this horse as one of the great ones
b

rode it magnificently well to get him up in the guineas. you win some, you lose some.

totally agree with you
lazy pace
young joseph thinking he's on champion the wonder horse

As it turned out Dartford only set a steady pace nothing more - whether that was the intention or the jockey misjudged who knows.

Guineas winner lost 2 lengths on Enke thru penultimate furlong of 15f race when both were asked to quicken....i know there's plenty of clever chaps on here but i dont think many of you would have seen that coming BEFORE the race

arrogant coonts ride from o'B - fookin c0ck end.

"He ran a great race but just got beat. It's disappointing for everybody but that's the way it is. That's racing. We expected him to win and if I thought they were going to go that steady I would have had a pacemaker in or two pacemakers. But that's my fault. I was sure they were going to go a pace, but that's the way it was."

O'Brien said: "It wasn't what we thought it was going to be. It was a steadily-run race and Joseph said he was a little bit fresh with him, but that was probably always going to happen in a slowly-run race.

"That's the way it is and well done to the winner,. That's the reality of it really. I'm not sure where he will go next. I thought that, if he was to stay in training next year, there was a chance he wouldn't run anymore but I don't know. It will be the boys' decision."

Joseph O'Brien was too upset to speak to the press afterwards.

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aiden said "who is moneytree"?

aiden had promised joe they would call at mcdonalds on the way home to buy him a happy meal  if camelot won today. You know how much kids love mcdonalds maybe the pressure got to him.

No excuses for Camelot imo.  The distance did him.  He might have won if AOB ran five pacemakers to slow it up.  The time was respectable.

"LISTEN" UP HERE STEAM WAS COMING OUT OF HIS EARS.IT WAS A SHOCKING RIDE AND HE KNOWS IT BUT ITS HIS BOY AND HE WILL NOT SLATE HIM IN PUBLIC.WHAT DECENT FATHER WOULD?

Brian Clough: 'shocking miss by our number nine'

duncan idaho has it pretty much spot on imo...

agree Tolmi

had Camelot moved sooner and still got beaten

then I am am sure joseph would have been criticised
for going too soon

it is all opinions this game

Still, it is amazing how the best jockey available to ride all these great horses just happens to be the son of the trainer.

Both Encke and Camelot were held up until about 3f out.  At that stage Encke was ½l in front of Camelot, Barzalona took Encke to the outside to give him a clear run, meanwhile O'Brien took Camelot to the inside behind the front runner coming back to the field, it was described in commentary as "the brave man's route". That decision then meant O'Brien had to take Camelot around Encke after which he found himself 3l down.  Although Camelot didn't quicken he stayed on quite well and reduced the deficit to 1l by the line.  Taking him around Encke cost 2l and might well have made the difference it's difficult to know if Encke would have found any more.  One thing is for certain Encke got a better ride.

The rider won the race for enkco and the rider lost the race for camelot , you wont here the later in the media

"Still, it is amazing how the best jockey available to ride all these great horses just happens to be the son of the trainer."


Ah yes, an amazing stroke of good luck. In your opinion maybe, but not to those "in the know" at Ballydoyle.

It began approximately 20 years ago. Someone with a 'good bit of clout at Coolmore', having read a book on Lemarckian theory, decided that, parallel to the successful stallion breeding operation, they would start a jockey breeding program. The results of this work are only becoming obvious to us now.


So, It's not an AMAZING COINCIDENCE at all.

should have got that mickey barca on it innit

Reminded me of the ride Sea Moon got from Peslier in last year's race. O'Brien probably not the best around but they all have off days and he's definitely not the worst.

If Magnier was as ruthless as people say then his grandson wouldn't get the rides he does. The term reap what you sow has never been truer with this gang. Murtagh treated shamefully by them. Sad for the horse himself but delighted for the connections it got beat.

Sorry are you talking about Joseph? He is not Magnier's grandson?

sorry but earlier thread said get moore as no1, i say grovel and get murtagh back, hes still got years left as top class jockey

J Murtagh would probably agree he said on the morning line yesterday JOB was a fine jockey nothing like keeping in with the right people

Mafia like keeping things in the family, you can do what you like.

Maybe Daddy was twice as upset not only that the horse failed to win the so called triple crown but in doing so it denied him a place in history as the only trainer to win all 5 English classics in a season which would have elevated him even higher than God himself, I thinks he's God as it is anyway.

The "listens" were been fired out faster than a machine gun, the public face of the polite almost timid individual was starting to unravel in front of our eyes, sweet as pie when interviewed after they win, maybe he's not all what he seems?.

I noticed this time he wasn't on the phone to 'connections', maybe he had turned it off

I think the ground was a bit fast for Camelot,see the way his head came up and he took a long time to get into top gear,He did not pass Encke even after the line,but he stayed well enough to beatt all the others.
Yes he won the English Derby on fast ground,but i cant help to think the Downhill run got him into top gear.
Even Dual Arc Winner Alleged got beat/outstayed in the Leger.
For Camelot the Arc next??.