I am tomorrow going to the bookies to smash fobts

I know someone who bought a program for his laptop
that prevented him accessing all gambling sites..

it worked fine until the next morning
...then he went out and bought a new laptop

saxon - It's ironic, but I had a thread in my own mind about how cr*p gambling is - following Duntle's demotion today - and it helps to let off a bit of steam on the forum but that's rather different from what optic is threatening.

Gambling only compensates for an absence in our lives, and that is what we have to address, even those who are up overall.

Don't let it make you sink to the understanding of an animal.
Just stop.

unitedbiscuits

A good post, but I take issue with the middle paragraph.

Nearly every transaction in life is a gamble, whether it be investing in real estate or down to the price of a bag of sugar. How you deal with it when it goes Pete Tong, is up to you. Either way, it has no resemblance to an absence in a life.

Regarding your final paragraph, in your heart of hearts do you really think it is as simplistic as that, to just stop?

If the op idea of smashing all the fobt's in his local bookie is to be effective
then I should warn him there are probably circa 10,000 betting shops in the U.K...I think?
so he is in for a  busy day tomorrow

apologies..it is not a joking matter
the op need help
if he is unable to limit his gambling to what he can afford to lose
he must stop gambling altogether
HE MUST NEVER EVER ENTER ANOTHER BETTING SHOP
..starting now!

He must find help
it really is not worth a prison sentence

agree Saxon
...it will the hardest thing he has ever done
that is what being an addict means
but he must do it

He likes playing them?

Let him get on with it I say... Keeping all the betting shops profitable, helps people like me get a decent bet on in shops, as all my internet/phone accounts are closed...

was told today a men went mad in a hills in stepney green east london done the four fobts and then tried to put the glass in at the counter aswel

well i must admit

every time i see these lunatics on  roulette machines i laugh my fykin head  cos they give the fallacy of " gambling a mugs game " more power .

i fykin love winning holidays off these cretins

I was thinking that clarky9

Darwins laws of evolution are in full working order here

For someone to win, someone else must lose

Bookies are only the intermediaries(for a price of course)

but I am afraid losing is part of life
and I would like other people to lose to me
...however I would have sympathy for  an addict
because it destroys their lives
I would not want to do that to anyone
well unless I have to

I was thinking that clarky9

Darwins laws of evolution are in full working order here

For someone to win, someone else must lose

Bookies are only the intermediaries(for a price of course)

but I am afraid losing is part of life
and I would like other people to lose to me
...however I would have sympathy for  an addict
because it destroys their lives
I would not want to do that to anyone
well unless I have to

oh dear Brian..oh dear

Optic - you don't seem to have any faith in the normal helping agencies G A, GamCare etc and you seem unable to stop yourself from going into betting shops. Getting yourself locked up seems like a good option given the circumstances. At least you wont be able to go on any machines during the time you are away and it might give you a chance to get it out of your system and sort your head out.

The life you appear to be leading is like a form of prison in itself so you may as well go somewhere where you can't play on machines.

Sounds daft doesn't it but that's the reality of your situation.

Given how badly you have been affected by all of this and how strongly you feel, why don't you throw yourself into campaigning against the spread of this evil, contact the tonight program, start a blog, write to the newspapers and your local MP'S. You'll be surprised by how many people would support you. That way you would gain some strength to resist your addiction.

Just one other suggestion - tell everyone close to you what's been going on and tell them you want their support to help you stop.

Good luck mate.

I feel no sorrow for  bag head's , roulette addicts , coke heads , skunk addicts or even sex addicts or fraudsters .

when you watch the wonky nosed manc presenting a trophy on C4 at Haydock in all his finery and fake smiles all to inflate his over sized ego you know that your FOBT money is going to a good cause

and your Gary Wiltshire's and Big Mac's of this world all boarding the gravy train, it makes you sick to the pit of your stomach, if there is any potent reminder not to give these THIEVES your hard earned then this is it

I love seeing groups of people on the machines explaining what numbers coming out next

I love seeing groups of people on the machines explaining what numbers coming out next

I love seeing groups of people on the machines explaining what numbers coming out next

GB, you never see them explaining a RNG (Random Number Generator)

Ive lost shitloads on these and it kills me to think how much.

Problem is, I dont gamble on them all too much... If i have a couple of quid, ill throw it in. You add up all those couple of quids, those odd fivers or tenners. Then you add up a small fortune.

They really need to be made illegal cos theyre destroying the country and polluting the betting industry totally.

How would the betting industry deal with losing these FOBTs... Not well.

I have a suspicion that new betting shops are opening, just to facilitate these FOBTS. In my town, I have seen at least 4 new shops open. Why such a boom in bookies opening? Because the FOBTs are probably paying for everything plus some profit just on the shop.

Its horrible to think how (probably) the bookies are now entirely reliant on these because they make up such a huge amount of profits for the company. If FOBTs go, profits go, investor confidence in the bookies goes and shops start to close.

Yesterday I was in huddersfield. Saw a young lad, he had piped in hundreds of quid. He had a school bag on so I think he was at college... He shouts... Ive ****g lost 330 quid. He was trying to hold back the tears. He kept going out to withdraw, til it was gone. He shouted... Ive got ****g 10 quid to last me the week.

10 quid. I felt like giving him a tenner... But I knew where it wouldve gone. He kept going on them and couldnt stop. I was witnessing an addiction in front of me. One that a lot of people have.

These machines have to go and im writing to my MP and to the PM and the BBC.

Optic, do you really think smashing the machines will help, they will replace them the next day. I assume you have a job, once you get banged up as you expect what are your chances of getting a job when you get out. The answer is simple believe me , don't go into a betting shop. I got to the stage where i was betting £30 a race be it dogs or horses and going in every day, some days i would win most days i would not.I got my Betfair account and now i never go near a betting shop, if i have a £5 on a horse now it is a big bet. Iam a strictly a £2 e/w merchant and i enjoy the racing a whole lot more, i know i won't get rich but i also won't go skint. When i left the house to go shopping i only brought enough money to buy what i needed or paid by my Cash Card, that way i couldn't nip into the bookies for a bet.
I am not b ull**** you but you will be suprised how quickly you can forget about betting and move on. I don't know your situation but i used to  mainly bet on Saturday when i am not at work and spend the day in the bookies or on Betfair. I would be up at 7am to get the Racing Post ( i don't go to bed until 4am) spend hours studying form and then spend the day and evening watching racing on my Laptop ( i had ATR and RUK for £30 a month ). I now put my bets on overnight ( some weekends i lose £10 )get up at 1pm and go out and return for the football results. My last bet on the horses was £2 e/w on Thought Worthy in the Derby.
Optic you need to beat your problem otherwise when you have done your time you will go straight back to it.
Prison is the answer to some problems, but not FOBT. You need to think about what makes you want to use them, when you are at your weakest and end up going in the Bookies. My problem with the Bookies was when i got paid ( i am paid monthly have been for 20 years) looks like a lot of cash at the start of the month, but it soon dwindles. Another one of my saviours was 24 hour shopping, i now shop when i finish work at 1am , there are no bookies open and i can't waste my money on quick bets.
I still follow racing and take part in the Chit Chat Placepot competion but i don't feel the need to have a bet in each race.
Smashing the machines is like an alcoholic breaking the windows in a pub, it won't stop him being an alcoholic.
The same brain that stops you being a drug addict, or an alcoholic or a murderer should be able to help you beat this addiction, think about what puts you in the situation and do something that takes you away from that situation.
Good Luck.

What a load of ****.  Really?  It isn't gambling that you are addicted to, it is feeling sorry for yourself, and thrill of feeling alive.  The kind you can only feel when you don't know how you can afford to live until tomorrow.
Either that, or you aren't intelligent enough to survive anyway.  Evolution weeds people like you out, and this is one way of it happening.

The other thing here (only read the first half of posts before I got over all the bullshit) is that it appears not only are you too stupid to realise you lose 5+% each time you put a bet on, but stupid enough to think the only way to improve your life is by going to jail?

If you have excluded yourself from these establishments, and they still let you in, then take them to court and sue them dafty.

BJT.... A caring soul if ever there was one

BJT 09 Sep 12 05:14 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 3,575 | Blogger: BJT's blog

Either that, or you aren't intelligent enough to survive anyway.  Evolution weeds people like you out, and this is one way of it happening.

Obviously not, you slipped through the net A-Hole.

BJT

Morning Gandalf unreal some of them on here.

BJT...you Sir,are a pr1ck

Smash the coffee machines as well please, disgusting warmed up soil water.

Well said BJT.

Survival of the fittest...

fobt's are the crack cocaine of the high street, thankfully i've never got into them but i know a lot of people who's lives have been affected by these wretched machines. Optic, if you read this take the advice of Paddy Hair. G/l and get help, dont let these machines cause you any more pain and suffering.

If they are the crack are yankee bets mariwana is a heinz an "e" whats the equivalent of sniffing a bag of glue?

Clarky. . . Minus9

We are humans fella we have evolved from the jungle.

These **** bookies prey on the weak and vunrable and do not like getting a smack back from the bigger boys hence bleating "tradeing decesion" "s/p only" and any other bollocks they can think up of not to take a bet  . . .

That sits ok with you does it Tarzan??

What next, armies of fat people smashing up McDonalds windows?

interesting that bookies are often called thieves on this forum, the people that they "steal" money from freely donate it to them.

If people are losing more than they can afford, how did they survive, and why aren't they living on the streets?

Im inn

used to work in a bookies,seen people do their rent money and cry,it is heartbreaking but your have a choice play or not play,i also had a addiction to these machines but did beat in the end,people dont seem to understand the maths involved in roulette the more numbers you back the less odds you are getting so when they back 20 numbers for 5 spins and lose they wanna scream

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CAN YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE SOMEBODY WROTE THIS SHYTE

yes i can its plastered all over the net,systems go for a pound upto 500 quid or more saying you can win a fortune,the odds are simple you get 35/1 for a single number and there are 37 numbers on the board,doesnt take a genius to work out you are gonna lose in the long run,if you have to play do blackjack far less risky

people pay for roulette systems?

Yup afraid sew.

that MARTIN GALE has made a fortune from Roulette systems

SkintoYouDaMan • September 9, 2012 9:27 AM BST
Yup afraid sew.

the mind boggles

has he done any shops yet ?

There was a 'Despatches' TV documentary on a couple of weeks ago on exactly this subject. The conclusion was that FOBTS are ruining peoples lives and there is now pressure on the government to bring in some sort of leglisation to get rid of the machines from the high street. The reason for the recent (last few years) proliferation of high street bookmakers is because of the profits that the companies are making from these machines. In my town here in the centre of the south of England, the number of bookmakers has doubled to 6 shops in the last 5 years or so. It's a small market town (population about 40,000). With loads of various types of shops closing down in the town centre, bookmakers are just about the only ones that are expanding and the reason for this is totally down to these dreadful machines (closely followed by 'virtual racing').

if you want to get rid of them get a 16 or 17 year old who looks older  play the machines then call the police nothing will happen to the 16 or 17 year olds but the bookmaker could lose his license

mad.dog, been done a national newspaper (I think) done it recently and Anaglogs Daughter put the article up on here about it, as far as I can remember the results are currently being investigated. AD if you read this, any update on this?

mokegibboni • September 9, 2012 10:31 AM BST
There was a 'Despatches' TV documentary on a couple of weeks ago on exactly this subject. The conclusion was that FOBTS are ruining peoples lives and there is now pressure on the government to bring in some sort of leglisation to get rid of the machines from the high street. The reason for the recent (last few years) proliferation of high street bookmakers is because of the profits that the companies are making from these machines. In my town here in the centre of the south of England, the number of bookmakers has doubled to 6 shops in the last 5 years or so. It's a small market town (population about 40,000). With loads of various types of shops closing down in the town centre, bookmakers are just about the only ones that are expanding and the reason for this is totally down to these dreadful machines (closely followed by 'virtual racing').

Yeah....the have introduced a tax on the profits so they get their slice of the action.

rancid b@stards

saxon - Sorry for the delay. Yes, I do think the OP should stop gambling. It's making him sick and probably making others unhappy too. When you reach the state where if you don't bet, you miss a winner, but when you do bet, it loses, there's only one thing you can do  logically and that is stop.

Blaming society or exclusion loop-holes are just excuses, and smashing up machines would be distressing to the staff, too.

perhaps all the machines are conspiring together and theyre gonna take over the world after theyve done their weekly shop in tesco

i saw a counterhand at my local whills come from around the counter side to start playing the machines. !!!

anyone else seen this...i couldnt believe it when i first saw it. 

optic started by saying "Iknow it is PARTLY my fault".Wrong optic,it is ALL your fault.Sorry to hear you have lost it all,but remember you made the choice,and you must make the choice to stop.Only you can make that choice.
I understand addiction as I had a girlfriend that died from heroin.She didn't blame the pushers,she knew her life was in her hands.
Should every alcoholic smash every pub,supermarket,booze shop for selling alcohol?Of course not.
There always have been,and always will be ways of self harming,but passing the buck is wrong,it is down to the individual.There always have been,and always will be weak-willed folk,that is life,but blaming others for being weak-willed is failig to recognise yourself.
  Some people can self control,others can't, and therefore need outside help,but opportunities to self-harm will never cease.

Why do people on here get so angry about FOBTS
is it because the shops always win perhaps
would the protesters like the shops to tell
the fella who's just done a grand on the horses
to go away and not lose anymore money
for every winner there's a loser
get over it
open a shop and stack it with FOBTS
if you want to be a winner

imo

KV  . . IF ONLY IT WAS THAT EASY.

ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO OPEN A SHOP??

BIT SURPRISED READING A POST LIKE THAT FROM YOU TO BE HONEST.

Got no problem with the rancid outfits avin them.

But a they should be made to lay a bet not hide behind a false front "bookmaker" and b. stop preying on the vunrable.

Skinto they are separate issues.Bookmakers are run by accountants these days,and take a totally different approach to the game unfortunately for the punter.Things have changed,and not for the better.We are in the days of customers being monitored closely.

Odds on card

best post on here from unbiased, so true


optic started by saying "Iknow it is PARTLY my fault".Wrong optic,it is ALL your fault.Sorry to hear you have lost it all,but remember you made the choice,and you must make the choice to stop.Only you can make that choice.
I understand addiction as I had a girlfriend that died from heroin.She didn't blame the pushers,she knew her life was in her hands.
Should every alcoholic smash every pub,supermarket,booze shop for selling alcohol?Of course not.
There always have been,and always will be ways of self harming,but passing the buck is wrong,it is down to the individual.There always have been,and always will be weak-willed folk,that is life,but blaming others for being weak-willed is failig to recognise yourself.
  Some people can self control,others can't, and therefore need outside help,but opportunities to self-harm will never cease.

optic 08 Sep 12 20:54 Joined: 10 Apr 12 | Topic/replies: 83 | Blogger: optic's blog
Definitely no simpleton.  Take a google search on fobt addiction it can affect anyone even a university professor got time for theft due to fobt addiction.  I agree they are programmed to make you lose everyone knows but as I say common sense goes out of the window.  I don't know your gambling preferences but the nearest I can give you as an example is imagine a Saturday afternoon 5 2nd's on the trot and then you lose 2 football games due to last minute goals.  Then you go on 'tilt'.  The going on 'tilt' is what an fobt addict is when they first put their first £20 in to play.



That is the key optic, the first £20 or the first note you put in the machine not the 2nd,3rd or 4rth. The damage is done as soon as you play for the first time.So like said above you have to fill that void that stops you wanting to play at all. Maybe joining a gym,taking up golf or just anything that gives you something else to do.Try and remember though its the 1st one that does the damage.If you feel yourself going to stick a note in one of they machines just think where it has took your life and take 10 seconds to convince yourself to do something else instead.Once you fill that void the addiction and want to play them will become less and less until you're free from wanting to play them again. All the best

Yes seen that regularly Glasgow...must be breaking all manner of compliance rules let alone potentially fraudulent!

simple way for any gambling addict is to BUDGET.


If you earn £2,000 a month and have to pay a mortgage/rent and shopping etc. work out how much you have left to risk. Only danger is that if people are betting small they get no kick out of it, although in reality most people are living beyond their means at present so don't have any spare money to gamble with.

The problem is people want to live a champagne lifestyle on beer money.

Haven't read through all this, just wondered if he's started smashing them up yet?

How the hell anyone can bet on a programmed outcome where the gambler cannot win . FOBS ... in the USA they built a city on losers its called Las Vegas

Optic, you say in a post that you have excluded yourself from certain shops, but that they still let you play even though they know you are on an exclusion list. The bookies constantly go on about how they have these rules for self exclusion in place as being all the safeguard that is needed by them to help problem gamblers stop. They make a huge deal about this as a counter argument against their critics that say they do nothing to stop people with obvious addiction problems from playing their machines. Rather than smashing up machines, which will do nothing but cause you getting into more trouble, why not exclude yourself from as many different bookies as is possible, then if what you say is true about still being allowed to play even though they know you are excluded, return to the bookies, but this time armed with something that will enable you to gather the proof needed, that it is indeed true that they are breaking their own rules.

You have taken a huge step on your road to your recovery, by recognising and admitting you have a problem, proving that bookies are breaking the regulations (if true), would be a positive way to help yourself and anyone else addicted to these machines but have not recognised their own problem yet. Wish you well.

Gambling on these FOBTs clearly isnt for you if you are losing. Find another sport and try to find an edge there.

Very few people can make a profit on these machines.

Just been in the Ladbrokes on London Street in Norwich - 3 FOBTs all smashed up

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We've been crying now for much too long

And now we're gonna dance to a different song

Gonna sream and shout til my dying breath

Gonna smash it up til there's nothing left



(chorus)

Oooh ooh smash it up, smash it up, smash it up

Oooh ooh smash it up, smash it up, smash it up



People call me villain oh it's such a shame

Maybe it's my clothes must be to blame

I don't even care if i look a mess

Don't wanna be a sucker like all the rest



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(repeat verse 1)



(chorus)



And everybodys smashing things now

I said everybodys smashing things now yeah

Had you down as more of a Julio Iglesias type Fen.

Was a punk back in the day Greys.

But your right im defo more mellow in middle age

Was a rocker, used to spit on punks, but they always said thanks.

Once wrote a song it was called "National Service"

Cant rem it . .  but do the chorus "national service national service service what a fooking joke"

It never made the top twenty surpriseingly enough

I remember 1st time Vegas---landed airport---passengers shoving money in the airport FBOTS before they reach hotel.


when you bet for ruin(addict)not fun you either hav to totally stop or budget

how many shops has he done so far

The OP has only complained about losing money
...so really he should learn from it
that can  be replaced

It is when a gambling addiction loses you your family, job , house and frequently liberty
if you turn to stealing to fund your habit... that is when you have a real problem imo

Actually there is nothing wrong with putting money in FOBTs
if you can afford to lose it

So if all the OP is lost is money
take that as a lesson learnt(even if very expensive)

is that true Dawsy

If you go in some random shop and smash up everything, the screens, the fobt's whatever some firms forbid the staff from calling the rozzers. FACT.

Must be a fact--there's so many fobt attacts on you tube without a copper in sight

It could be deemed a sackable offence, gross misconduct if the staff press the panic button when some nutjob is smashing the shop up.

That's if the shop has a panic button that is, Corals took theirs out.

super clue must be the answer
quick and walk away
no one knows
wear babygrow [hoody]
do 1 city a day

Staff need protection

I've seen plenty lose the head

super clue
no one knows
EASY

hardestgame
see posts at 22.05  and 22.14

how many  shops you do optic ?

if he did do any he won't be posting on here for about 6 months

all quiet in norwich then?

his mum probably grounded him this morning

any arrests

Watched a lad in his 20's stick 2 grand in one of these last week in debtfred in N'all - his stupid tart of a girlfriend just sat there and fookin watched eatin a sarnie!

Afer doin his fookin bollox in and including more expetives in one sentence than I've ever heard he fooked off.

Immediately leavin the shop the "responsible shop manager" got onto one of his daft fookin mates to gloat that the shop had achieved it's weekly FOBT target cos of this lad - brilliant!

I was a shop manager for one of the big bookies, up till 4 weeks ago, when i left after getting attacked for the umpteenth time and the area managers first response was "is the money ok".

Been reading this thread with interest, a lot of the staff are stuck between a rock and a hard place with these fot's, you do have targets and you do get pressurised by area managers to meet them as they are making the majority of the money for the bookies now, and it is the reason for all the new bookies popping up, they have very little interest in horse/dog punters now, its machines and more machines.

Regarding the self exclusion, yes the shop teams are meant to ask to leave when you enter, but it will have somewhere on the form(in small letters), that if you re-enter the branch and gamble, you wave all responsibility from the shop for allowing you to do so(basically you can do feck all), and put yourself in this situation you are working in a bookies on minimum wage, single manning in the evening and a self excluded customer comes in, and you try to talk to them to ask them to leave, which leads to a showdown which from my 7 years of shop management usually leads to either verbal abuse or physical abuse from them(as they are embarressed and lash out) would you go out and risk it? Its often easier(not right)to leave them in the shop.

And as for being told not to phone police, i have worked for 2 off the biggest bookies, and we were encouraged to do so, if the situation arised for doing so, its just pointless it many instances to do so, a screen can be fixed in under an hour whereas the police can take days to turn up for a smashed screen so whats the point?

I have watch many people lose all sense off reality on the machines, and i personally took no pleasure in watching people gambling all their money(another reason why i left) for very little chance of return, the only advice i can give regards them is dont play them, and if you get in deep ask for help, the bookies wont even notice if you smash a screen or 2, they would all be fixed in no time, dont give them the satisfaction.

In the meantime, yesterday my mate asked for £100ew on Expose at 14/1 in Corals in Uxbridge.

This threw them into a blind panic, and after a lengthy discussion and a phone call (to head office) presumably he was allowed £25 ew at 14/1

The horse returned the same price and was about 25 at Bfair SP!

The counter staff who play use the green gauges roulette system ...







You work for **** all ,,,

mokegibboni • September 9, 2012 10:31 AM BST
There was a 'Despatches' TV documentary on a couple of weeks ago on exactly this subject. The conclusion was that FOBTS are ruining peoples lives and there is now pressure on the government to bring in some sort of leglisation to get rid of the machines from the high street. The reason for the recent (last few years) proliferation of high street bookmakers is because of the profits that the companies are making from these machines. In my town here in the centre of the south of England, the number of bookmakers has doubled to 6 shops in the last 5 years or so. It's a small market town (population about 40,000). With loads of various types of shops closing down in the town centre, bookmakers are just about the only ones that are expanding and the reason for this is totally down to these dreadful machines (closely followed by 'virtual racing').





Unfortunately this kind of post shows very little understanding of how government works. The bookmakers have massive lobbying power and of those politicians that presided over the introduction of the gambling bill a few years ago almost all of them had links to the industry. Self interest is paramount. From whom exactly are they under pressure? If fobts were banned they'd be nothing left of the high st bookies. 10,000+ staff would lose their jobs, the income generated in tax reiepts would be lost and most importantly of all many 1-day-a-week promised directorships would never happen for our ministerial and civil service friends.

read the MOS, there are a couple of articles in there, one says that the limit of 4 will go up and the bookies openly admit that BILLIONS of pounds are gambled on them every year.

It's their Golden Goose, they don't need horse/greyhound racing anymore

Didn't reply sooner ran out of mobile broadband allowance.  Didn't smash up any fobts I admit I bottled it not for the reasons of actually doing the smashing but more for the embrassment and hassle for me and family.  I went in 2 of my nearest/regular bookmakers about inforcing my self exclusion and been told I won't be able to play as I made it clear how near the end of my tether I am.  Yesterday have gone to a local gambling/alcohol help centre and be getting some help there.  As I say I know all about fobts and the odds etc but when addiction hits you common sense goes out of the window and thats why lots of people are affected across the UK.  You can stop for months but just 1 hour out of 3 months and you are back to square one thats the point thats hard to take.  Even when stopped you feel like waiting for the envitable to happen.  Anyway lets hope one day bookmakers become bookmakers again, not some mini casino where the horse racing becomes second fiddle to someone rinsing their b**locks on roulette.

All the best optic.

You will do it . . . Smash a few filthy ew doubles into them. . .It feels great doing what they dont want you to do, instead of just throwing your money in the hole of no return.

Revenge---smashing up FBOTS means nothing to bookies-----stop playing  hurts them 100x more

yep...I agree with skint
I wish you all the best optic

Rodan - 10th September, 2012


'Unfortunately this kind of post shows very little understanding of how government works. The bookmakers have massive lobbying power and of those politicians that presided over the introduction of the gambling bill a few years ago almost all of them had links to the industry. Self interest is paramount. From whom exactly are they under pressure? If fobts were banned they'd be nothing left of the high st bookies. 10,000+ staff would lose their jobs, the income generated in tax reiepts would be lost and most importantly of all many 1-day-a-week promised directorships would never happen for our ministerial and civil service friends.'

I was just quoting what was being said from the TV programme - that's all. Don't blame the messenger!

some sense on here,a lot of anger and frustration mixed with shame and of course the smartarse I'm better than you types. Addiction is just that,drink,drugs,gambling they are all horrible addictions for one reason or another. If bookies shut because they won't take a bet if the FOBTs had to go into casino environments only then I don't care. People bleat about no machines then no bookies,I say so what. Of course there will be shops,numbers will be reduced and they will have to trade as betting agents again. No issues here.The machines do cause misery and only hinder proper cash punters.They don't need to open themselves to loss exposure from clued up or challenging punters.Just open the doors,accommodate the coins and tenner punters and let the machines pay the bills and shareholders.Nice living for them at the top. Working in a shop with the single manning and extended hours must be stressful and almost illegal. Pubs legally need doormen and so should many bookies. Only when an employee is killed or perhaps one won't be enough will anything be done to curb the misery.

You should never ever play these thieving machines.

A group of us went out to various branches of LB, with a set amount of money, and a set staking plan, and a notepad.

We collated the data and oddly enough, it isn't random. We ran it through a Uni program that said it can't be. And that is one that works out where an electron should be around an atom......

They are completely fixed, and I would suggest below the odds they adverise

Aussieish,you sound very inexperienced re. betting and odds.Collecting data???!!!!There isn't any data to collect,don't waste your time.
Just tell yourself there are 37 numbers paying 35/1 on the winning number ,that is ALL the data you need.Add to that the spins are QUICK.

g/l optic, your life will improve quite quickly if you can manage to abstain from playing these awful machines.

get back on the fruitys cant lose that much even when there dead.