IF EXCELEBRATION GETS BEAT TOMORROW DOES THAT MEAN FRANKEL IS NO GOOD

i personally think hes the best horse ive ever seen and ive seen some good uns

do you think he has a totally brigadier gerard house ie wallpaper, curtains cuttlery, paintings etc

ha ha pmsl i think he worked for cecil and got the boot

I see brig, gone for the old "if he wins at least you've got some consolation" trick.

Outstanding line-up.

bloody good race to be fair.

i think moonlight cloud will stay wasnt stopping at all on bad ground last time, only blowout over a mile came in the guineas and chances are shes stronger now and stamina on the dam side but still excelebration for me GL

And I do so hope one more of the big boys step up to the plate tomorrow morning.Laddies have now cut to 9/4.

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I spent my children's inheritance in the casino. Gambling addict admits to wasting over £150,000 on slot machines and roulette
By TONI JONES

PUBLISHED: 17:41, 8 August 2012 | UPDATED: 18:52, 8 August 2012

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Phyllis Sofocleous lost over £150,000 through gambling on slot machines and the roulette tables

Each year £46 billion is spent on gambling machines in the UK.

Up to 500,000 Britons admit to having a gambling problem and this week Deputy Labour Leader Harriet Harman admitted that Labour's decision to relax the gambling laws when they were in in power was a mistake.

Phyllis Sofocleous is one woman who has learned to her cost how addictive the lure of the big win can be, losing over £150,000 on roulette and gambling machines.

Appearing on This Morning alongside her daughter today Phyllis said:

'I started gambling when I was out with friends and it gave me an adrenalin rush.

'After my divorce I had some money that was supposed to be invested for my children, but it was sitting there in the bank and I passed a casino everyday on the way to work in London.

'Life at home wasn't easy at that time and my friends had started going to the casino so I popped in a few times.

'I went once a week, then twice a week, three times ... soon I was going every night and lying to my family about where I was, pretending to work overtime.

'The problem is you go in, you play and you win so you think it will be the same the next time but it isn't, and you lose so you go back hoping that it won't happen again.

'You always think you know where that ball is going to drop.'


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Daughter Gigi Petite can't understand the draw of gambling so much money. she said:

'We didn't realise where she was going every night at first, but I knew she was lying about something.

'It was worrying but I was a bit younger and I didn't know how much she was losing, I didn't know it was possible to lose that much money.

'When I found out I felt sorry for her, because I know that she didn't do it to be selfish. My brother was very angry.

'I think she was doing it with good intentions though.'


Phyllis's daughter Gigi Petite says she isn't angry with her mother because she didn't gamble to be selfish

'My mum is a strong woman so it was sad she to see her lying and be in denial.

'It's such a shame because that money could have been invested for our future.'

Ian Semel, also on the sofa with Eamon Holmes and Ruth Langsford, is a gambling addiction counselor who calls gambling the hidden addiction.

He said: 'Once you're in a casino it can feel like a pull. And the difference with gambling over every other addiction is that noone will know there is a problem until debts start mounting up and there are money problems.

'People can gamble very secretly and keep it in their world. If you have a problem with alcohol or drugs people can see it, but you can get away with gambling for a lot longer.

'It doesn't matter what you gamble on, things have changed, people can gamble 24/7 on anything now.

'But the good news is that the treatment has changed too and there are measures in place to help people seek help, such as self exclusion from casinos.'

Phyllis, whose new partner has helped her kick the gambling habit, added:

'You see the awareness stickers on the machines but you forget what you are doing.

'I really didn't think I needed help until there was no money left.

'I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't met my new partner at the time I did.

'I'm glad my daughter knows because it's hard to lie anymore. It's out in the open so I feel better in myself now that the story is out there.'



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Why is there so much money laying Most Improved ?

HRE i thought you werent coming back on here ??????

MI wont be running if there is any rain,perhaps its pissing it down and thats why the lay money has arrived

Could be HRE. Which would explain why all the firms are cutting it across the board - so they can bring in a better rule 4.

Andrew there is a huge difference between a rating a horse has and how he has achieved it and his form. You should know that. A rating is just a number form is in the book. Stop looking for arguments all of the time. I'm a punter and do this for a living and I hope I know a good bet when I see one.

And if I were AOB I would send him to stud he is risking a lot, a hell of a lot and that mekes him an even better bet. Read the script Andrew, read the script.

Three horses in the race have already beaten her fair and square over this trip and I think, just think mind, when she beat Goldikova she was on a faster strip up the stand rails. Especially when the rag switched behind her and finished 4th. That can happen at Deauville.

No need for that Motley. It's only my opinion the same as it is only your opinion. It's a standout piece of form for her and I think that is why. Of course I don't know but neither do you. If that is her true form then she is a serious danger and everyone who has her down at 16s is way out.

That's my point, she's great value @ 16s, definitely haven't seen the best of her.
and she quickens up really well, Excelabrations a shocking price, it's an open race
if you take 2s or 9/4, your a mug. he's a 3/1,7/2 shot for me

We'll see tomorrow jonhy38. if they are wrapping her up
for late season, they might of found an easy g3 for her,
instead of pitching her into a g1. We'll see, big price 16s.

PS - I truly believe he's at least a 4/1 shot to win this, and unless 6/1 was on offer, I wouldn't be remotely interested!