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Here’s Captain Christy – long before he’d ever seen a hurdle – running round the French tracks. The link is a race (last one on the card)at Lonchamp, October 24th, 1971 when the horse ran in the colours of Mrs. Nicholson.
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how do you do it whitwhitlaw , pure magic , i see hickelton in there as well ...a young mister hills ....
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Tommysmum, I remember that day back in 1971 when strange decimal odds were transmitted from the course to betting shops such as 7 to 5 and 13 to 10. It lasted only a few days thank god before good old 11 to 8 and such like reappeared.
Major Tom, to me Wally Swinburn was one of those southern based jocks who we didn't see much of up north. I recall him riding a lot of Johnson-Houghton second raters back in the mid 60s and he always seemed to ride around 15 winners a season. |
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Re Wally Swinburn.....
Nice page on Irish Horsemen here...covers Wally even though he was a Scouse. In his heyday he was highly regarded..I remember him riding Romulus for Johnson Houghton. http://www.irishracinggreats.com/pages/leading-Flatjockeys-text2.htm Also this piece from India.. http://www.racingpulse.in/code/stpage.aspx?pgid=22009 |
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Backed a winner many years ago ridden by a little known jockey called Trevor Rogers. I was wondering if anyone had some information on him.
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the name is familiar , i'm sure a few of the well informed formites will be along soon to answer that for you...
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Sets a good test I think for the experts, workrider.
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i remember him , but cant expand i'm afraid , thy'll be along shortly ...
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Little known,Trevor Rogers.LOL
Will post a piece for you shortly sparrow.  |
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Little known to me G-T, I expect to bow to your greater knowledge
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Sorry for the delay sparrow,had to go delving.
Thurs 15 Feb 1992,Racing Post. The time must surely come when the whip rules are amended to eliminate grey areas and allow fairness to become the overriding factor. Recently TREVOR ROGERS was banned for excessive use of the whip after winning a race.A short time afterwards GRAHAM BRADLEY was fined but probably would not have been had he given his mount a few good slaps. There is no doubt that Trevor would not have won the race without using his whip,equally Graham would not have got any response from his mount had he used his.(Hindsight being a wonderful thing visa vi Bradley)inmvo? Jockeys are in a catch 22 situation which ultimately leaves them at the mercy of the Stewards and Trainers.If they win a race by reverting to the whip the trainer and connections collect the prize money. The jockey on the other hand may lose a couple of days of income via a holiday courtesy of the Stewards. If the jockey is beaten in a race and hasnt given his mount a hard time he may incur the wrath of the trainer and perhaps even the Stewards for failing to reach the best possible placing. Peter Scudamore has decided to use a felt covered whip which seems a sensible move.It protects the horse from being damaged but still gives the jockey an aid to straighten or encourage his mount. Perhaps the Jockey Club could implement a rule stating that all jockeys must carry a whip designed to be effective as an aid without causing suffering to the horse. The only losers then would be the new generation of fancy stylists who do not use a whip even though they carry one. Most punters are aware of these riders who rarely end up in the Stewards room.They rareley races either when it comes to a close finish which requires a forceful ride.In my opinion they as as guilty of breaking the rules as any jockey who over-uses his or her whip. There you go sparrow.........a small clue to why a very good jockey became disenchanted. |
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Thanks GT, I thought it was longer ago somehow. I can remember thinking that he looked quite stylish, yet I rarely noticed him after a winner in a seller possibly at Newmarket. It seems that I recall jockeys better in the 60s than more recently!
Would be interested in seeing his record, if someone like onlooker can come up with the figures. Still it was an interesting article GT. |
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Cant remember for sure sparrow but I am fairly certain the runner up in the race he was banned for was female.Might have been Dandys missus or Gay Kellaway,was All Weather track,probably Lingfield.
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O'Gorman perhaps?
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Possibly sparrow..........fast forward 20 years Emma O'Gormless and Joseph N'Obrain......................producing offspring?
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They are seem related to each other in this game, GT.
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Another name lost in the mists of time Albert Klimscha whose dad trained Prix Diane winner Allez France.
Albert Klimscha junior, the son and namesake of Allez France's first trainer, rode in Britain for four seasons (1959-62) and won a total of 47 races, though none was of great importance. He was apprenticed to Sam Armstrong at Newmarket at the same time as Josh Gifford, Paul Tulk, Kipper Lynch, Michael Hayes, David East, Fred Dixon and Trevor Rogers. Klimscha later rode in Scandinavia and eventually returned to Hungary, where he has been involved in various equine ventures, including a bloodstock agency and a pony-trekking business. |
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That makes Trevor Rogers around the 50 mark when he got that ban, referred to earlier, TambourineMan. Can't remember Albert at all but loved Allez France, a great filly.
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Regarding Trevor Rogers, I seem to recall him riding for Harry Thomson Jones in the early 80's as a work rider and picking up quite a few second strings for him. Have a feeling he rode the pacemaker when the yard won the St Leger with Touching Wood in 1982 but maybe someone else can confirm.
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Here is the 1982 Leger but would not know who rode that pacemaker.
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Rode Muslar as pacemaker for TW.
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Trevor Rogers was one of those jockeys who I don't recall ever seeing at the races. He started out in the late 60s riding for small Lambourn area trainers and Les Hall used him quite a bit. He never had more than a handful of winners per season until he went to Charlie Nelson and had his best season around 1980 with forty or so winners. He was also associated with the small but successful stable of Antony Johnson, a stable renowned for big priced winners. Johnson packed in round 1981 and Trevor then rode a lot for Tom Jones but he was back to his few wins per season. His name disappeared from the racing cards around 1986.
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Thanks Paulbu, For some reason I seem to have not noticed him at all until around 1980. This has to be one of the most informative threads ever seen on this forum and long may it continue.
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Sparrow, when Eddie Reavey died in the early 80s, his widow Jocelyn took over the reins and she used Trevor Rogers a good deal for a couple of seasons. As I say, to my memory, I never saw Trevor ride up north, if he had been northern based then I could probably have told you more.
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According to the racing post site Rogers reappeared again in the 1990 season and in 1991 seems to be west country based with most of his rides coming for Martin Pipe and Les Cottrell and a couple for C J Hill, ended up with 5 winners that season and 3 the next.Last rode in 1993 about a dozen rides no winners.
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I associate Trevor Rogers with the Fulke Johnson Houghton stables,
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MisterE, you've got me puzzled with that one. Which period are you talking about ? Did he ride work for RFJH ?
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Thanks for the replies about Trevor Rogers. I think that the selling winner I recall, may have been for Cottrell.
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Could it have been Brighton sparrow?
Brighton Result 25 Sep 1991 « 2:15 » Waterhall Selling Handicap (Class F) (Class 6) (0-60, 3yo+) (7f214y) 1m Good £2,650.60, £736.60, £353.80 « 1 7 Old Comrades 14/1 4 9-7 L G Cottrell 45 * * » ch g Music Boy - Miss Candine (King Emperor) T Rogers 5th straight, hard ridden over 1f out, led inside final furlong, ran on well « 2 5 3 Kirby Opportunity 11/2 3 8-12 Jeff Pearce 45 * * » ch m Mummy's Game - Empress Catherine (Welsh Pageant) Franny Norton5 Headway 2f out, ran on well inside final furlong « 3 8 hd Kevinsbelle 12/1 3 8-10 I Campbell 45 * * » b m Belfort (FR) - Manna Green (Bustino) M Griffiths7 4th straight, led over 3f out until inside final furlong, unable to quicken |
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Shalimah, I have in my mind it started as favorite at Newmarket. But I could easily be wrong.
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favourite
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We need whitwhitlaw i only have r post site to search,can only go back to 1988.
I did find this however which is presumably the race GT Mole mentions Southwell (AW) Result 15 Jan 1992 « 3:50 Swan Lake Handicap (Class F) (Class 6) (0-80, 4yo+) 1m Standard £2,343.60, £649.60, £310.80 « 1 1 Kissavos I 8/1 6 8-12 C C Elsey 53 * * » ch g Cure The Blues (USA) - Hairbrush (USA) (Sir Gaylord) T Rogers Tracked leaders, ran on under pressure final furlong, led close home « 2 11 shd Mac's Princess (USA) 9/4F 4 9-1 W A O'Gorman 62 * * » b m Sovereign Dancer (USA) - Jungle Princess (USA) (Jungle Road) Emma O'Gorman5 Held up and behind, rapid headway 4f out, led 2f out, edged left, just caught « 3 9 1½ Question Of Degree 12/1 6 7-9 Nigel Tinkler 36 * * » b h Known Fact (USA) - Bernice Clare (Skymaster I) Kim Tinkler Soon pushed along and outpaced, headway over 1f out, ran on finish |
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Thanks anyway shalimar. Brings back some memories.
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That is indeed the race Shalimah,wd sparrow for remembering Emma,tbh I had forgotten her.
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I got something right then,GT.
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Ok lads, that's just about covers Trevor Rogers. Now for us old timers, who remembers a jump jockey from the 60's called Roddy Reid. Seem to recall he was based in the midlands. Anyone know of where he went after his career finished. By the way, for many of you have joined me on this subject down the months, I can highly recommend the Chris Pitt book about the Grand National called "Go Down To The Beaten". He writes about various jockeys who rode in the race down the years but focuses on the lesser known ones and not the bleeding' obvious. I am sure many of you who are my sort of era will enjoy the nostalgia. Now, back to Roddy Reid.
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Will see if I can find anything about RR in my archives when I get home,forgot.Again apologies if already mentioned but does anyone remember Chris (Chrissy)Leonard?
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Only had one eye?
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Shared a Horse Box ride with him once G.T,nice guy,*ery quiet.
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He was a very quiet and reserved man acey,god knows what he would have made of this forum and all the changes since his passing.Just another tragic stat in the wicked world of racing but at least not completely forgotten,which would please him imo.
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