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grand national winning jockey shud be able weigh in about 3lbs light and shud keep the race based on the weather factor, shocking to be able weigh in light and keep the race.
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Jockey never broke sweat during the race. If he lost 1.5 lbs the others must have lost twice as much.
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andy
fair play if other jocks are light but not if he's the only one |
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if he's the only light jock in race thats a disgrace
unless we don't know something else thats a factor report will be very interesting i've never seen this happen before. |
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so where do you the draw the line andy? 20 degrees?25?30?.forget rule book lets get john kettley in the stewards room
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plus some people sweat more than others how do you account for this, this is a farce !!
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exactly red beach ball its insane
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davyb is right how much do you think Maguire should have lost then on Ballabriggs,4 and a half miles over 30 fences in searing heat?
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An official explanation is required - in over 40 years, I cannot recall an objection by the clerk of the scales being overruled !
Only faulty scales or other unknown influence can lead the Stewards to the decision they have made - otherwise they are all sacked |
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I have also never known this to happen before but i`m glad it has...surely discretion is a good thing...didn`t matter to me financially either way so i`m not talking out of my pocket..like ive said IN MY OPINION they made the right decision.
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how is it the right decision?
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Maybe the scales are affected by the heat??
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because exchanges have never had so much influence that's WHY.
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I backed the winner and to be honest would of won with an extra 10lbs on its back, but....
According to the rules it has to go, so i am amazed i won. Rules need to be changed as in this heat, especially over jumps 1lb limit under is a bit tight IMO. |
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For those of you griping that t he stewards have done something wrong - you need to read the rules properly. They state
"67.10 The Stewards may take Disciplinary Action against any Rider,Trainer or both when the Rider is reported to them under Paragraphs 67.4.2 to 67.4.4. This allows the stewards to use their discretion. If it said "must" then they would be out of order but it doesn't - it says "may". Obviously we will all have our views as to whether they should have exercised their discretion but it is entirely within the rules that they can. So 1stpost, you ought to be winding your neck in! |
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but what do you change the rules to?are we going to go off track temperatures with a sliding scale?every individual will sweat different amounts on any given day
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With respect though you have to wait for the official explanation....
If every jockey in the field weighed in too light due to extreme heat who do award the race to if disqualifying the winner , you'd have to void the race or find some tailed off rag that may have weighed in correctly. Result stands seems common sense to me , pending the official explanation. |
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Ok, after hearing that, common sense has prevailed.
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why did he weigh out for 2 races ? rules are rules should have been thrown out,very strange decision.didnt have a bet in race.
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true hayden have to wait but
1>) surely other jocks must have been light there 2.) i have never known a COS objection not to result in a horse being thrown if 1 jock has weighed in light this cannot be fair that he keeps the race, its absurd. |
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all we want is consistency
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Looks like Dean Richards is the Chief Steward at Worcester today.
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Didn't have a bet at all, but after hearing that it is all very convenient
And how long before a race can you weigh? |
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My reading of rule 67 would be as follows:
67.4.4 The Clerk of the Scales must report to the Stewards and Rider who weighs out by more than 1lb. As 1.5 lbs is greater than 1lb the Clerk of the Scales would thus have to make the report. 67.7 All weights will be rounded down to the nearest 1lb unit. Thus the 1.5 loss becomes a 1lb loss for these purposes 67.9 - The Stewards have power to disqualify the horse under rule 14.2 where 67.9.1 a Rider weighs in below the weight at which he weighed out by more than 1lb. But the 1.5 loss has been rounded down to 1lb and thus is no longer greater than 1lb and thus it would appear that the Stewards did not in fact have the power to disqualify and thus they would appear to have come to the correct decision because of rule 67.7 |
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Nosuchthingasvalue 25 Jul 12 15:15
For those of you griping that t he stewards have done something wrong - you need to read the rules properly. They state "67.10 The Stewards may take Disciplinary Action against any Rider,Trainer or both when the Rider is reported to them under Paragraphs 67.4.2 to 67.4.4. This allows the stewards to use their discretion. If it said "must" then they would be out of order but it doesn't - it says "may". Obviously we will all have our views as to whether they should have exercised their discretion but it is entirely within the rules that they can. So 1stpost, you ought to be winding your neck in! please give any other example of this happening before... we can't have stewards suddenl;y using discretion they have never shown in past. anyway until reading the full report its all up in the air. people have every right to be questioning this though. |
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But why was he allowed to weigh out for 2 races at once? In this heat that is surely asking for trouble?
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I backed Papradon so would've been pleased if the winner was thrown out. I know rules are rules, but considering the circumstances, I think common sense has prevailed
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he weighed out before the firsdt race so basically they (stewards) admitted he rode the whole of the 2nd race underweight. usual bull, if it was a 5lb claimer riding a syndicate horse for a small trainer he would have been trown out long ago
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2.) i have never known a COS objection not to result in a horse being thrown
Understand that striding and neither have I , in all honesty though that says something about past racing without a common sense element , I would suspect quite a few " In the past " should have stood with common sense applied instead of some ridiculous antiquated rule book. Good luck today  |
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whats all this common sense about ? rules are rules & i reckon these stewards at worcester will be in trouble for this.
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its a shambles
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Sorry if it's already been covered but how the feck can they allow jocks to weigh out 2 races in advance on a day with record heat, isn't obvious that he's be light through the 2nd race ffs
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i just thought 1 jockey weighing in light was a mad reason to use a discretion thats never been shown before. there are several different things about why the result stood being banded around so hard to know whats what until we get the official verdict.
need to see the report, gl to you too mate  |
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is this weighing out for 2 races really true
whats the source of this ? |
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duffy there are so many questions that need answering on this race
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seems its all been brushed under the carpet
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wickermen its a disgrace
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they took shortcuts by allowing jocks to weigh out for future races and it's come back on them big time,the stewards and the clerk will be in trouble but in about 2 months time and everyone will have forgotten.
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