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ie 000000 and then bang, a 1 next to all the zeroes having been backed off the boards !

1. Barney Curley
2. Willie Musson
3. Mick Ryan
4. Mick Easterby
5. Peter Easterby
6. Richard Fahey (before he became a good trainer)
7. Kevin Ryan
8. Julia Ramsden (nap)
9. Jimmy Fitzgerald (nb)
10.Martin Pipe (treble)

as you can see, these are all from the early 80s onwards, oldtimers welcome !
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Report Big_RICK July 20, 2012 1:03 PM BST
Greg Chung,Karl Burke.Tongue OutTongue OutWink
Report zipper July 20, 2012 1:04 PM BST
Bernard Van Cutsem Newmarket 1960's very rarely left the money behind. Don't believe me ask the bookies.
Report thesecret July 20, 2012 1:04 PM BST
can't believe Sir Mark isnt on here, the Greek fella Promodrou ?? think he's banned at the mo ?
and whatsis name Loughrane...
Report GEORGE.B July 20, 2012 1:05 PM BST
Michael Wigham
Report Big_RICK July 20, 2012 1:05 PM BST
Jonjo.Cool
Report telephone July 20, 2012 1:06 PM BST
The Druids Lodge Confederacy are shokking omissions !
Report GEORGE.B July 20, 2012 1:06 PM BST
Don Cantillon
Report Big_RICK July 20, 2012 1:08 PM BST
Barrington Hills shocking omission.
Report scooper82 July 20, 2012 1:08 PM BST
The New kid on the block has been forgotten...Tim Vaughan
Report Big_RICK July 20, 2012 1:09 PM BST
Jack and Lynda Ramsden.ShockedShocked
Report GEORGE.B July 20, 2012 1:10 PM BST
I'd have 'The Don' in the Top 10, imo
Report scooper82 July 20, 2012 1:11 PM BST
The thread might be easier if headlined

"Top ten trainers who have never tried or wouldn't know how to land an old fashioned gamble" imo..
Report dj876 July 20, 2012 1:14 PM BST
Evan Williams
Delyth Thomas-Am I blue

It shows how endemic corruption is throughout the sport
Report telephone July 20, 2012 1:15 PM BST
good point scooper,

looks like they're all at it Crazy
Report thesecret July 20, 2012 1:16 PM BST
agree with scooper, I have just been looking through Anne Duffields runners, surprising how many were well supported when they go in...
Report zipper July 20, 2012 1:17 PM BST
Gambling  Trainers anyone remember Captain Ryan Price   Findon ... and that super horse Hill House  what a story that was .
Report OiOiPanda July 20, 2012 1:21 PM BST
Chris Grant
Report scooper82 July 20, 2012 1:21 PM BST
zipper...i remember my old fella telling me a story about ryan price...had a winner in a big race, gambled of the boards, when being led into the winners enclosure, was roundly booed!!

cant think for the life of me, the name of horse or race, but im sure he said it was a biggie
Report dj876 July 20, 2012 1:22 PM BST
Michael O hare
Donie Hasset
Report telephone July 20, 2012 1:26 PM BST
Toby Balding,

I belief no-one has mentioned this great trainer yet !
Report sofiakenny July 20, 2012 1:30 PM BST
REG AKEHURST-END OF THREAD.
Report acey deucy July 20, 2012 1:30 PM BST
Cant think of to many Gambles Toby landed,sorry.
Report dj876 July 20, 2012 1:31 PM BST
Jack Berry
Report lingbleed July 20, 2012 1:34 PM BST
marco botti
Report dj876 July 20, 2012 1:37 PM BST
Mark Wallace,Jockey change-Kieran Fallon
Report GandalfTheGrey July 20, 2012 1:38 PM BST
The greatest of them all, Vincent O'Brien

Founded his empire on spectacular gambles as did Jim Bolger to a lesser extent.
Report zipper July 20, 2012 1:45 PM BST
Scooper82  that was Hill House the J/C ordered a dope test  on the horse nowt found. They  asked  Price not to run the horse in  The Schweppes re the public out cry
The Captain told the  Jockey Club not only am I going to run Hill House it will win Guess what it won.
Report dj876 July 20, 2012 1:46 PM BST
Don=Only mentioned twice previously Wink
Report scooper82 July 20, 2012 2:00 PM BST
zipper...that must be the one...I remember him saying about dope testing aswell so it must have been that, unless he had done it a few other times !!!
Report timeless July 20, 2012 2:08 PM BST
anyone remember who trained Ra Nova ?!

and Stan Moore used to ride and train a few too !
Report zipper July 20, 2012 2:15 PM BST
Scooper82 in them days trainers could get away with murder
No camera patrol no recording, basically no nothing & all of the stewards were ex army types.
Report second again July 20, 2012 2:20 PM BST
B Swift liked to have a few lbs in hand when having a bet.
Report zipper July 20, 2012 2:31 PM BST
Scooper82 one last one from me  In them days they did not have photo finish   and they was some very funny results just rest on which horse the  stawards had back  if it was close .. a true story  no names no pack drill  a 3 mile chase this horse was backed off the boards  .. there off the runners went into the fog nobody could anything  the jock of the  gamble pulled up hide behind the trees  when the others came round on the final circuit he joined in and won the race   you could  not make it up  but sure some old wag could put names up ..
Report timeless July 20, 2012 2:33 PM BST
Francombe just tex me and sayed it was him Crazy
Report scooper82 July 20, 2012 2:34 PM BST
zipper Laugh....i can only begin to imagine what they got up to in the50s,60s, and 70s b4 tv coverage was properly done
Report zipper July 20, 2012 2:42 PM BST
Timeless   dont think so he was not even born  . but  he  (John Francombe) had the Balls  to do a think like that
On The Francombe  thing He was the Best and i Mean The Best  jock i have seen  in the last 30 years  ok Mc Coy is good  but John was fearless  .. give any nag a ride
Report dunlaying July 20, 2012 3:30 PM BST
Eric Cousins
Peter Robinson
Jack Holt
J Fitzgerald
and a lady called Postlethwaite

David "Indian Ridge" Elsworth
Report BobSievier July 20, 2012 3:37 PM BST
Druids Lodge is a great shout , Sir Mark and Pasternak's Cambridgeshire still linger in the memory , nearly won it with the wrong one in Rudimentary , the late Graham Rock was not amused.
Report IanP July 20, 2012 3:40 PM BST
Ken Payne
Report fawwon July 20, 2012 3:40 PM BST
Barry Stevens
Report wildmanfromborneo July 20, 2012 3:54 PM BST
Best at the moment Fozzy Stack some spectaculars this season and none left behind.
Report sidthekid July 20, 2012 4:58 PM BST
"anyone remember who trained Ra Nova ?!"
Nan Kennedy-Lambourn-Schweppes winner 33/1
Report ronnie rails July 20, 2012 10:31 PM BST
Talking about gambling stables and Ryan Price, I remember the first time I went to the royal meeting in the 80's he had an unraced 2 year old  backed into favourite and won easy, it was in the Demitrou colours, can anyone remember what it was called? And has an unraced horse won the Coventry since?
Report screaming from beneaththewaves July 20, 2012 11:03 PM BST
BBC Grandstand coverage of Ra Nova making virtually all in the Schweppes, a race requiring tremendous guts to win from the front:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_AQ1YNRbiE

Ra Nova was a chestnut whose grand-dam (Honey Palm) was also the dam of Floyd, trained by David Elsworth. Floyd, of course, was also a front-running chestnut hurdler, and the bravest racehorse I will ever see.

When Ra Nova won the Schweppes, I was sharing a £12/week bedsit in Kemp Town, Brighton. I had £11 left in the world, the rent was overdue, so I did the obvious thing you do when you're 22 and fearless: stuck a fiver each way on Ra Nova at SP (16/1).

I love that horse almost as much as I loved Floyd later on in that decade.
Report fawwon July 20, 2012 11:09 PM BST
Report jasrich July 20, 2012 11:23 PM BST
Oliver Brady has won serious money,up there with the best of them
Report Franky Four Fingers July 21, 2012 6:25 AM BST
Reg Akehurst ~ Particularly if Steve Smith Eccles was riding one of his over hurdles,and with Richard Quinn riding for him on the flat.

Toby Balding ~ I remember Neblin winning the Tote Gold Trophy.Hurdler with a lower UK rating than Irish mark.Toby bought it over here and bang.

The Druids Lodge Confederacy boys used to pull some gambles off back in the day ~ There's a book about them somewhere out there.

Zoe Davidson's Dad ( Can't recall his name )

Barry Hills ~ It was a gamble on a horse called Frankinscence when he was head lad somewhere that got him started  on the training ladder.

Barney Curley ~ Obviously

Sir Mark ~ As above
Report screaming from beneaththewaves July 21, 2012 8:25 AM BST
Zoe Davison's dad (the late Albert Davison) would have considered it a failure if any of his were backed off the boards when they won. His coups were landed at double-figure odds, thank you very much, with bets spread around betting shops at SP, sometimes involving each way doubles. He won a reputed £250,000 when Great Things won at Leicester in 1978 at 33/1.

For instance, there would be a string of zeroes in front of his horses, names, their handicap mark would get lower and lower, then they would be entered in a claimer, where the lower mark was of no benefit, and THAT would be the day. When you'd least suspect it.

In the end he got warned off, but that benefited him, as he and his associates simply ran the horses in the names of other trainers, which boosted the SP. All sorts of names cropped up, from John and Monica Long to Rod Simpson. When the obscure Wiltshire trainer David Jermy died, his widow was persuaded to take out a licence to land a coup at double-figure odds with Will I Fly.

About the only jockey he trusted was Dean Gallacher. One New Year's Day at Windsor Gallacher rode Matelot Royale to win the opener, before he and Davison drove at high speed to Leicester to land the other half of the double with Prince Klenk. The latter had already landed an each way touch at 50/1 just before Christmas.

Marcus Armytage was a rider who, probably unwittingly, found himself landing a coup for Albert, when the apparently unraced Sprintfayre made all at 14/1 in a Sandown bumper in the early 90s. Sprintfayre was down to be ridden by DOUBTFUL in the Racing Post. He was listed as trained by Rod Simpson, but shared a sire and owner with a useful hurdler in training with Albert called Billy Boru. The odds would have been nearer 25s if Eddie Fremantle and I hadn't spotted what was going on and had a few small bets around the Ring in a weak market.
Report sageform July 21, 2012 8:28 AM BST
Long term planning is the key whether you are trying to land a touch or aiming to win the Derby. I had horses with Jim Old in the eighties and nineties and if he said one would win, it usually did. David Elsworth could also aim a horse at a target a year away. Oh So Risky was confidently backed for the Triumph before it even raced over hurdles and one of the joint owners told me it was past the post at Xmas. It won 10 lengths at 100/8.
Report dpm July 21, 2012 8:51 AM BST
Harry Flemming, knew how to land one usually at Market Rasen.
Report Franky Four Fingers July 21, 2012 8:52 AM BST
Screaming from beneath the waves

Thanks for that.Some great stuff in your post.

Sageform

I agree planning AND patience seem to be the key.When you think of all the things that can and do, go wrong, with racehorses.It shows how much effort goes into prepping a horse for a touch,let alone landing one !
Report screaming from beneaththewaves July 21, 2012 8:54 AM BST
One of the best weapons to avoid the dreaded "backed off the boards" when the money's down is to have a reputation as clueless among punters.

When Norman Babbage was having a string of 33/1, even 100/1 winners in the 90s with horses like Fly Guard and Wannaplantatree, even Dodger McCartney was adamant Babbage didn't know what he was doing. Eventually, of course, some unwelcome heavy hitters latched on and the fun came to an end, but what fun while it lasted.

There was an example this week, when Monzino ran away with a Southwell handicap at 12/1 after its "clueless" trainer had run it in a string of bumpers and maidens in which it had no chance under all sorts of female riders, including even Ann Stokell(5).
Report Franky Four Fingers July 21, 2012 9:06 AM BST
Reminds me of a famous Warren Buffet quote ~ “It’s important to have a plan,” said Mr. Buffett. “An "idiot" with a plan can beat a genius without a plan.”
Report Franky Four Fingers July 21, 2012 9:07 AM BST
But like you say,folks soon see through the clueless guise.
Report dunlaying July 22, 2012 12:53 AM BST
If he has been missed,Gosden Senior,Towser.
Report madhatters July 22, 2012 1:03 AM BST
Lol at altitude here WF Grin
Sean says yay btw Grin
Report jonnyfc38 July 22, 2012 1:11 AM BST
bill watts had a good touch or two when i was young and i can remember old colin tinkler going down the line at catterick smashing a 1-16 shot in a claimer to win by under half a length nigel was nearly pulling its head off at the line to stop it to win by a head they had it right off
Report chavman July 22, 2012 1:22 AM BST
how come veitch never gets mentioned on here
Report madhatters July 22, 2012 1:25 AM BST
Veitch is oldy worldey nowadays
Antique !

Times have a changed Grin
Report chavman July 22, 2012 1:27 AM BST
bit like a few on here
Report bazzar July 22, 2012 5:08 AM BST
Someone beat me to it, JOHN "TOWSER" GOSDEN, won a few big handicaps and another forgotten trainer, DAVID CHAPMAN who used run up sequences with his hoses, CHAPLINS CLUB.
ROBERT "BOB" WARD, the selling plate king, got the rules changed as regards selling races.
About 2 centuries ago, a Yorkshire trainer entered one of his horses for a southern classic and had a special cart built to transport the horse to the venue, (unheard of in those days) most horse were walked to the venue, they used handfuls of hay as a massaging tool stroking him down at regular intervals on the journey, all this was done in secret and obviously, most of the other trainers and connections ignored the horse, because he was left to look dishevelled and unkempt probably unfit after his journey, the horse won the classic at a then huge price, I think it was one of the PEA****, he won a good few classics during his reign.
Report sageform July 22, 2012 8:28 AM BST
A lot of plots fail of course. We don't hear so much about those. The best bets for the professionals are the maiden winners that subsequently become group horses. No "fiddling" required, just point and shoot. Occasionally they don't produce on course or they meet another one of similar ability -like Nathaniel starting off against Frankel- but usually if the stable is confident that they are group class, the "insiders" clean up. I was at Newbury on the day that Frankel won his maiden at Newmarket and a well known and respected owner/gambler asked me what time the Frankel race started that evening and told me it was the bet of the season. Don't suppose they knew at the time that the second best staying 2yo of the season was also in the field and the Gosden camp must have been disappointed at the time to get beaten.
Report Breedingmad November 2, 2014 9:40 AM GMT
Laugh
Report crooser November 2, 2014 10:07 AM GMT
Derek Haydn-Jones used to land some good ones especially up at Hamilton.
Report loper November 2, 2014 10:57 AM GMT
The Top Ten Shocking Omissions (from this thread)

R.Turnell
B.Wise
D.Kent
V.Cross
A.Jarvis
J.Jenkins
R.Fisher
O.O'Neill
N.Callaghan
S.Oliver (Mrs)
Report lead on November 2, 2014 11:07 AM GMT
Ernie Weymes back in the 70's,80's.
Report racingguru November 2, 2014 12:06 PM GMT
Alan Jones keeps them really close to his chest. Must be a very tight yard.
Report sageform November 2, 2014 12:44 PM GMT
Jim Old in his prime.
Report 1st time poster November 2, 2014 12:59 PM GMT
as a neverending list shows any trainer who no,s the head from the tail end can land a pot with 20lb in hand, and when some can win just as much by running horses down the field its a great sport to be involved in ,aint it,Cry
Report racingguru November 2, 2014 1:04 PM GMT
The solution is to move away from the handicap system. Maybe have more valuable condition type races for horses that have won or been placed in last 3 runs. No easy solutions to the corrupt mind of many and the poor prize money available so guess we live with it and try read between the lines.
Report tilted November 2, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
Jim Best (Lewes)
Report Do wah Diddy November 2, 2014 3:48 PM GMT
IT SEEMS ALOT TO ME,IT LOOKS TO ME IF THERES ALOT OF SHADY PEOPLE IN HORSE RACING ,
Report Do wah Diddy November 2, 2014 3:50 PM GMT
I BET THEY DONT SLEEP AT NIGHT ,

ESPECALLY WITH ALL THEIR MONEY UNDER THE MATRESS
Report The Pinhooker November 2, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
Almost all major gambles in the past were placed by commission agents, a breed that has largely disappeared overthe past 20 years because all the big bookmaking companies will not do business with them.

Therefore yards with a hundred or more horses are viable concerns because of the training fees while weaker outfits struggle to survive.
Report zipper November 2, 2014 6:43 PM GMT
Pinhooker  your half way right and half way wrong/
commission agents went of business when Betfair and other  laying / backing sites came on line
today   backing or laying you don't need  a commission agent ...trust me  ..lump on
Report darkie returns November 2, 2014 7:40 PM GMT
Someone mentioned her earlier Charlotte Postlethwaite. Landed a big gamble at Wetherby with Abandoned Warrior. Had a very decent horse in the mid 80s and I cant remember its name- anyone?

Also Patrick Haslam- many gambles landed in the 80s I recall. Remember backing Hawkley in the Royal Hunt Cup.
Report geoff m November 2, 2014 7:44 PM GMT
Darkie was it City Entertainer?
Report darkie returns November 2, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
That's the one Geoff, used to race with a low head carriage if I remember right.
Report geoff m November 2, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
Watched it win a Phillip Cornes Novice Hurdle(i think) under Mark Dwyer @ Newbury 1 saturday won pulling the proverbial double decker bus.
Think it then ran dissapointing in the Sydnet Banks @ Huntingdon b4 running a good race in Sun Alliance behind i think Sherwoods The West Awake .
Report tyred June 4, 2022 9:43 AM BST
a blast from the past when the forum was buzzing,

interesting read with some great stories Happy
Report StillLearning June 4, 2022 10:38 AM BST
Phil Kirby?
Report Facts June 4, 2022 10:43 AM BST
What was the name of the trainer who was called the Selling Plater King . Wrote a book called The Coup
Report sparrow June 4, 2022 10:44 AM BST
Ken Payne, facts.
Report sparrow June 4, 2022 10:49 AM BST
George Todd not been mentioned here.
Report know all June 4, 2022 10:51 AM BST
mary reveley they pulled of some stuff they used to like the doubles trebles,  t easterby lately still at it, wouldent be many on a list you can actually back nowadays
Report sparrow June 4, 2022 10:53 AM BST
Trelawny was trained by George Todd at Manton, near Marlborough, Wiltshire. Todd was renowned as a trainer of staying horses and an intrepid gambler; he bought the Manton Estate from Tattersalls in 1947 and reputedly paid off the balance – £47,000, or £1.85 million by modern standards – with the proceeds from a series of winning bets on Dramatic in the Lincoln Handicap at Doncaster in 1950, which he carried to London in a paper bag. He would remain at Manton until his retirement in 1973.
Report elise June 4, 2022 11:09 AM BST
oi, how many usernames u got on this thread ... lmao
Report tyred June 4, 2022 11:09 AM BST
Barry Hills did a similar thing innit Crazy
Report tyred June 4, 2022 11:10 AM BST
good morning elsie Grin
Report sparrow June 4, 2022 11:11 AM BST
elise 04 Jun 22 11:09 
oi, how many usernames u got on this thread ... lmao






They are all still here now after 6 or more name changes.Grin
Report acey deucy June 4, 2022 11:22 AM BST
George Todd not been mentioned here.....When i was at school i wrote to him asking for a job as an apprentice,he told me to get my headmaster to send a school report which i did.....A week later he wrote back saying dont bother coming.Laugh
Report acey deucy June 4, 2022 11:24 AM BST
Glad as i heard later he was a first class ****.Grin
Report 11kv June 4, 2022 11:25 AM BST

Jun 4, 2022 -- 4:49AM, sparrow wrote:


George Todd not been mentioned here.


Mischief

Report acey deucy June 4, 2022 11:28 AM BST
Although i did end up at Manton a few Years later to work for Big John,at least he never locked his lads in the Hostel at Night.LaughLaugh
Report elise June 4, 2022 11:30 AM BST
did you work for barry hills acey?
Report acey deucy June 4, 2022 11:31 AM BST
No he was gone by then elise.
Report elise June 4, 2022 11:56 AM BST
ok, i knew someone that worked for michael dickinson / barry, more latterly there was a horse with brian  but i guess you're in the jg / pch bit
Report tyred June 4, 2022 11:57 AM BST
what about the other big guy Peter Chapple-Hyam Crazy
Report acey deucy June 4, 2022 11:58 AM BST
Nope.
Report elise June 4, 2022 11:58 AM BST
really nice guy, only met him after he'd gone to nmkt but could have sat and ate pies with him for hours, really liked him
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