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Absolutely no chance. The Triple Crown is the only target.History in the making for the ageing triumvirate.
The eminently winnable option of the St.Leger is an extremely convenient excuse for swerving the Juddmonte, and getting ransacked by Frankel.
Let's face it...triple crown winner, and a fourth classic or an inevitable hammering.
It won't be both (as many of us want to see) as the beating at York would scar him (Excelebration style) and the last leg of the treble (and other targets) could be left behind on the Knavesmire.
Also...a shot at the Arc and legendary status similar to Sea The Stars would be there for him, and even if he fails at Longchamp...EVERYONE forgives an Arc defeat after a long hard season, so there's everything to gain and little to lose, except the small matter of an unbeaten record.
For such a 'Stentorian' in his praise for his horses, in reality, O'Brien has the balls of a blue bull canary bird - it's just not gonna happen!
Don't be fooled by his participation in the Derby earlier...they KNEW he had tons in hand, and on the evidence I witnessed, maybe the St.Leger isn't the penalty kick (like Shergar) that we're all assuming?
Let's face it...triple crown winner, and a fourth classic or an inevitable hammering.
It won't be both (as many of us want to see) as the beating at York would scar him (Excelebration style) and the last leg of the treble (and other targets) could be left behind on the Knavesmire.
Also...a shot at the Arc and legendary status similar to Sea The Stars would be there for him, and even if he fails at Longchamp...EVERYONE forgives an Arc defeat after a long hard season, so there's everything to gain and little to lose, except the small matter of an unbeaten record.
For such a 'Stentorian' in his praise for his horses, in reality, O'Brien has the balls of a blue bull canary bird - it's just not gonna happen!
Don't be fooled by his participation in the Derby earlier...they KNEW he had tons in hand, and on the evidence I witnessed, maybe the St.Leger isn't the penalty kick (like Shergar) that we're all assuming?
There`s no swerving the Juddmonte. It was never going to happen.
Felt - you state 'it was never going to happen' 
And we ALL know the reason why!
They're running scared
And we ALL know the reason why!
They're running scared
The connections have been very clear The Triple Crown is the objective.There is absolutely no question of running scared. Black Caviar/Frankel, Camelot/Frankel is just not going to happen.
Sorry no. There has to certain things in life that we are left to ponder and this is one of them.
Felt - you can't condone this...it's an obvious swerve and they're cheating the public if they don't take in the two races.
There are 24 days between the races...I don't see the problem at all
There are 24 days between the races...I don't see the problem at all
Commanche Run is no comparison to a triple crown contender though.
Now, Oh So Sharp...
Now, Oh So Sharp...
Sorry it`s not a question of condoning anything it`s a question of seeing things as they are and not how one wants them to be.
Hopefully, they'll put the ladies on hold for So You Think and send him to the Juddmonte.
After the Prince of Wales I got the feeling AOB would like to make it happen - else why give him the entry?
Irish Derby 30th June, Juddmonte 22nd August and the Leger is 15th September - what's the problem?
Camelot has enough speed to win a Guineas and stamina to win over 12f - 10.5f over a super track sounds like the best of compromises.
I don't think I'll be able to tolerate it, if Camelot completes the triple crown, wins an average Arc and retires unbeaten!
Then we'll get the endless 'what might have been' debates - deep down...WE ALL KNOW!
Camelot has enough speed to win a Guineas and stamina to win over 12f - 10.5f over a super track sounds like the best of compromises.
I don't think I'll be able to tolerate it, if Camelot completes the triple crown, wins an average Arc and retires unbeaten!
Then we'll get the endless 'what might have been' debates - deep down...WE ALL KNOW!
With So You Think - Yes.
It's a shot to nothing and being Coolmore they'll put in the tag-team to stretch Frankel's stamina.
It's a shot to nothing and being Coolmore they'll put in the tag-team to stretch Frankel's stamina.
commanche run, won the juddmonte the year after the leger if my memory is correct, oh so sharp did run juddmonte and leger
E&J - I was taking the piss squire 
the wink & the
were obvious clues
the wink & the
were obvious clues
I don`t like "what might have beens" they just produce a lot of futile debates. Bottom line I don`t think Coolmore will take on Frankel with any of their big guns.
FF - I think they will mate...whatever they've got, except Frankel!
This season's Frankel is at least as good a horse that I've ever seen so obv if Camelot was mine I'd deffo swerve York.
Today was Camelot's fifth race, Frankel's fifth race was The Greenham. Wfa or not, For a match absolutely fair Camelot would need more time to mature and gain experience before the huge task of actually trying to beat Frankel imo, I'd be pointing out tho that Camelot is doing something that Frankel couldn't do in his classic season.
Today was Camelot's fifth race, Frankel's fifth race was The Greenham. Wfa or not, For a match absolutely fair Camelot would need more time to mature and gain experience before the huge task of actually trying to beat Frankel imo, I'd be pointing out tho that Camelot is doing something that Frankel couldn't do in his classic season.
Bruv - to say COULDN'T is quite an assertion...he DIDN'T as we all know, but he MIGHT have been able to.
I've said many times on here that 10.5f at York will hold NO barriers for him, and if he's stretching to the line as I anticipate, then we'll be better placed to assess his prospects of 12f!
Though ALL that as a 3yo (with all the trimmings) is almost an IMPOSSIBLE task!
I've said many times on here that 10.5f at York will hold NO barriers for him, and if he's stretching to the line as I anticipate, then we'll be better placed to assess his prospects of 12f!
Though ALL that as a 3yo (with all the trimmings) is almost an IMPOSSIBLE task!
I don't think 10 or 12 this season would pose any problems for Frankel, nothing can touch him anywhere imo.
I don't think the 1111-11111-11111 became the priority until Frankel beat Canford Cliffs, he's the best horse Frankel has faced and there were other places they could go, so I don't think dodging Epsom was the fear of a number on a racecard. I can't help thinking that if Henry thought Frankel could win the Derby, he would have run him, It clearly wasn't a lack of ability so there is an "it", temperament or whatever, Camelot has got whatever "it" is that Frankel didn't at 3 that has enabled him to win a Guineas and Derby's.
I don't think the 1111-11111-11111 became the priority until Frankel beat Canford Cliffs, he's the best horse Frankel has faced and there were other places they could go, so I don't think dodging Epsom was the fear of a number on a racecard. I can't help thinking that if Henry thought Frankel could win the Derby, he would have run him, It clearly wasn't a lack of ability so there is an "it", temperament or whatever, Camelot has got whatever "it" is that Frankel didn't at 3 that has enabled him to win a Guineas and Derby's.
BM - there were DEFINITE concerns about his temperament at that stage of his career, and I think Henry made the right move in swerving Epsom.
Nowadays...we're talking about a REAL machine that would chew up a horse that's long odds-on for the triple crown.
Nowadays...we're talking about a REAL machine that would chew up a horse that's long odds-on for the triple crown.
If anyone wanted proof that AOB is bad for racing this season is it. We have a Derby where where only 7 horses ran against AOB and an Irish Derby where only 3 horses ran against AOB.
Definitely Foetus, Frankel would beat Camelot lengths at York, I think Camelot would have beat the 3y/o Frankel at Epsom tho.
Ultimately I severely doubt Camelot is ever going to be able to beat Frankel over 10 furlongs but if Camelot retires a Triple Crown winner he'll deserve his place among the greats just as much as Frankel does imo.
Ultimately I severely doubt Camelot is ever going to be able to beat Frankel over 10 furlongs but if Camelot retires a Triple Crown winner he'll deserve his place among the greats just as much as Frankel does imo.
Sorry I don't understand that Max. And domination is bad in any walk of life.
Of course not but, like Murdoch, so much power has it's effect. Had many of AOB's horses been trained by a variety of trainers instead of one I'm certain we would have more competitive and balanced racing. I don't know what the answer is but when you have a Derby with only three opponents there has to be major problems. Plus one stable has almost all of the UK's main horses.
The answer is he gets the virus, bad. For at least a season. That way the owners will regret having all of their eggs in one basket and spread them around other trainers. I seriously think if AOB only trained half of the horses and others trained the other half we would see a completely different effect on racing. As it is you have one trainer with 30 stars and 30 trainers with 1 star each. Total imbalance.
quite laughable that frankel supporters suggesting a horse is swerving races.
holy jaysus, frankels only been beating up the same horse over the same trip for 6 starts now
guineas and duel derby winner in 5 starts. now thats how u campaign a horse. let frankel win the sussex (again)
henry had his chance with him.
holy jaysus, frankels only been beating up the same horse over the same trip for 6 starts now
guineas and duel derby winner in 5 starts. now thats how u campaign a horse. let frankel win the sussex (again)
henry had his chance with him.
frankel's next two races....Sussex, QEII then retired undefeated....two easy risk free wins. Sir Henry more than happy with that.
Juddemont lol.
Juddemont lol.
I think we all know that Frankel is the best horse but for me he has to travel to the breeders cup and beat the best over there to round off his career and silence the justified critics that he's beating up the same horses race in and race out.Come on Henry give it a go.Lesser horses have gone there and done it ,I'm sure he can as well.
what horse over what trip?
henry knows the limitations of this horse, he'd be running in the arc otherwise
the champion stakes ffs you have to laugh.
henry knows the limitations of this horse, he'd be running in the arc otherwise
the champion stakes
ffs you have to laugh.
They said that with Dancing Brave and looked what happened.Fwiw I think you are right but what an exciting night that would be instead of him running away with the champion.
nonsense, i love frankel but his supporters are deluded.
they are satisfied to watch him beat the same horse over a mile in his last 6 races.
YET they think if camelot doesnt show up at york hes ducking it
they think beating a horse that obv NEEDS 12f to show his best over 10 somehow ENHANCES frankels rep. the media build it up but its a non contest. IF frankel was the wonderhorse u think he is max, he should be beating camelot who is now a DUEL derby winner over 12.
now we all know theres is zero chance of that race, why? because camelot would win.
they are satisfied to watch him beat the same horse over a mile in his last 6 races.
YET they think if camelot doesnt show up at york hes ducking it
they think beating a horse that obv NEEDS 12f to show his best over 10 somehow ENHANCES frankels rep. the media build it up but its a non contest. IF frankel was the wonderhorse u think he is max, he should be beating camelot who is now a DUEL derby winner over 12.
now we all know theres is zero chance of that race, why? because camelot would win.
america?
sure he hasnt gone further than 8f yet
sure he hasnt gone further than 8f yet
meh.
let him stuff excelebration in the sussex, thats what henry wants.
seriously who chooses the champion ober the arc?
let him stuff excelebration in the sussex, thats what henry wants.
seriously who chooses the champion ober the arc?
of course not, i know howgood frankel is, so does henry, thats why he aint going the arc
you are right imo.He has to do something different now to go down as possibly the all time greatest
hes the best miler ive seen in my lifetime (im 26) but as far as actually achieveing something, camelot is already streets ahead. a guineas and 2 derbys after 5 races. frankel was winning the greenham at the same stage
thats not to say id fancy camelot to beat frankel over a mile (obv) or even 10f but i keep hearing from frankels supporters that he's a wonderhorse, he'll beat anyone over any trip its all nonsense. you can say he COULD or WOULDVE but if u dont do it, as far as I'M concerned, he couldnt.
again, if hes THAT good, why is frankel running in the champion feckin stakes instead of the arc?
thats not to say id fancy camelot to beat frankel over a mile (obv) or even 10f but i keep hearing from frankels supporters that he's a wonderhorse, he'll beat anyone over any trip
its all nonsense. you can say he COULD or WOULDVE but if u dont do it, as far as I'M concerned, he couldnt.again, if hes THAT good, why is frankel running in the champion feckin stakes instead of the arc?
There are a number of people who can't seem to be able to accept there are two brilliant colts running in England and Ireland at the mo, we could possibly have one of the best milers ever and a triple crown winner in training, it's brilliant but you'd never guess reading some comments on the forum, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
Frankel is the best eva! Camelot is running against the worst classic generation eva! Ballydoyle are evil! little Joseph has had a great chance in life and he's only bleedin taken advantage of it! how very dare he! BOOOOOOOO! Henry is faultless and oh my days the Prince, what a gr8 man!
Frankel is the best eva! Camelot is running against the worst classic generation eva! Ballydoyle are evil! little Joseph has had a great chance in life and he's only bleedin taken advantage of it! how very dare he! BOOOOOOOO! Henry is faultless and oh my days the Prince, what a gr8 man!
Need to agree , the two smallest and poorest derby fields in a hundred years and a guineas which almost all have come out and been gubbed isnt form to get excited about , then on to the group2 ledger for immortality , have to say job well done by coolmore , genius
has any horse that camelot has beaten come out and won a race other than power, ?
Can't see how Camelot is being knocked here..
As a 3 year old he has shirley achieved way more then Frankel did??
For info, I think Frankel would easily beat Camelot over 10f but it is Frankel who has been taking the easy option is it not?
As a 3 year old he has shirley achieved way more then Frankel did??
For info, I think Frankel would easily beat Camelot over 10f but it is Frankel who has been taking the easy option is it not?
frankel is the champion miler, he is a miler not 12 furlong horse not gold cup horse, he is a brilliant miler, imo hes there for others to take on if they fancy the challenge, how many times have coolmore said this horse could win a july cupetc never seen a horse with so much speed, so camelot, so you think take him on, really frankel is the man, the one to beat, so if anyone wants his scalp imo they should take him on at a mile, personally i think that 10 furlongs might find him out, doesnt matter how great you are if you dont stay you dont win, i want frankel to hammer them all at a mile, and if anyone says beating same horses time after time, i was gobsmacked what he did at ascot the other day, still his royal lodge was my fav performance of his .
Group ones are not easy options, Frankel just makes it look like the easy option.
Do you not think beating the same horse into 2nd over and over again is the easy option??
I suggest if AOB trained Frankel everyone would be on here slagging him off for sticking to a mile. But because Cecil trains it he can walk on water. Had Cecil declared he didn't think he would stay further than mile then that would be fine but he constantly says he thinks he will stay 10f. Really? Why not run him over 10f then?
been around since the days of BG, Mill Reef etc and i still dont get all this knocking of Frankel,oh he cant be an all time great because he only runs over a mile,what absolute ********.
The horse is an all time great(imo) and elisjohn sums it up far better than me.I am a massive Dancing Brave fan but have to hold my hands up and say (regretably) that Frankel is the better racehorse.
To all the Frankel knockers,where and at what trip would you like to see him run and who against?
The horse is an all time great(imo) and elisjohn sums it up far better than me.I am a massive Dancing Brave fan but have to hold my hands up and say (regretably) that Frankel is the better racehorse.
To all the Frankel knockers,where and at what trip would you like to see him run and who against?
10 furlongs and if he p*sses that then why not try 12 furlongs?? Not asking anything that hasn't been done by the 'greats' of the past.
The first question asked to Magnier, Tabor, Smith and O'Brien after Camelot won the Derby was, is he going to go for the triple crown. Coolmore are giving the public what they want with Camelot.
Can the same be said of Cecil?
Frankel is undoubtedly the greatest miler I've ever seen, for him to down in history as the greatest horse ever he has to come out of his comfort zone a little. Win both the Irish Champion and the Arc, where he'd likely face Camelot in the latter, and he'd unquestionably be the greatest of all time.
Cecil is doing the dodging.
Can the same be said of Cecil?
Frankel is undoubtedly the greatest miler I've ever seen, for him to down in history as the greatest horse ever he has to come out of his comfort zone a little. Win both the Irish Champion and the Arc, where he'd likely face Camelot in the latter, and he'd unquestionably be the greatest of all time.
Cecil is doing the dodging.
dubai mill, sendawar, warning,rodrigode triano,barathea, shergar ajdal, just some great horses to have not won going up in trip. the greats that have won going up in distances usually have the pedigree to stay, even oxx said that he didnt think sea the stars would have stayed 14 furlongs
Frankel isn't going to be an all time great, he could be the all time great.
If his trainer and owner were sporting with him.
If his trainer and owner were sporting with him.
So the best miler we have probably ever seen cannot be called an all time great because he has not raced over 10+,its all about opinions i suppose but thats one i cant agree with
Frankel should run in the Eclipse on Saturday and I believe he will .My reasons for thinking this are
are straightforward .He will have his stamina tested over ten furlongs against a first rate Horse in So you think .I firmly believe Frankel will win that encounter , how well he wins will determine his future .If he wins in spectacular style then a showdown with Camelot in the Judmont is likely to happen. .On the other hand if So you think gets to within a couple of lengths then Frankel will not beat
Camelot in the Judmont . The disadvantage of running Frankel in the Eclipse is that the Coolmore team will get a gauge on Frankels stamina ,but this disadvantage is greatly outweighed by common sense ,if he can’t be So you Think easily , how will he handle Camelot?
Camelot is a top class horse over eight ten and twelve furlongs and probably better than Roberto who beat BG in this race so long ago now .It would be madness to risk the reputation of a great Horse such as Frankel by running him in a race of this stature without testing his stamina for it on a racecourse .
Some people imagine it would be just another easy stroll for Frankel ….. it would not ,Coolmore would use Excelebration or Power as a pacemaker to test Frankels staying ability to the absolute limit….run him in the eclipse it is the natural thing to do .
are straightforward .He will have his stamina tested over ten furlongs against a first rate Horse in So you think .I firmly believe Frankel will win that encounter , how well he wins will determine his future .If he wins in spectacular style then a showdown with Camelot in the Judmont is likely to happen. .On the other hand if So you think gets to within a couple of lengths then Frankel will not beat
Camelot in the Judmont . The disadvantage of running Frankel in the Eclipse is that the Coolmore team will get a gauge on Frankels stamina ,but this disadvantage is greatly outweighed by common sense ,if he can’t be So you Think easily , how will he handle Camelot?
Camelot is a top class horse over eight ten and twelve furlongs and probably better than Roberto who beat BG in this race so long ago now .It would be madness to risk the reputation of a great Horse such as Frankel by running him in a race of this stature without testing his stamina for it on a racecourse .
Some people imagine it would be just another easy stroll for Frankel ….. it would not ,Coolmore would use Excelebration or Power as a pacemaker to test Frankels staying ability to the absolute limit….run him in the eclipse it is the natural thing to do .
Not what I'm saying sj.
He is already an all time great. Winning a few more races over a mile isn't going to make the slightest difference to his legacy. Win the Arc and he'd be in the argument with Secretariat.
He is already an all time great. Winning a few more races over a mile isn't going to make the slightest difference to his legacy. Win the Arc and he'd be in the argument with Secretariat.
fair enough TJ,i read it you were saying if he dont run in the Arc,or 10f he cant be an all time great
accept my apologises for second guessing what you were saying
accept my apologises for second guessing what you were saying
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been around since the days of BG, Mill Reef etc and i still dont get all this knocking of Frankel,oh he cant be an all time great because he only runs over a mile,what absolute ********.
The horse is an all time great(imo) and elisjohn sums it up far better than me.I am a massive Dancing Brave fan but have to hold my hands up and say (regretably) that Frankel is the better racehorse.
To all the Frankel knockers,where and at what trip would you like to see him run and who against?
the juddmonte, eclipse and arc, if he wins all 3 id be amazed.
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been around since the days of BG, Mill Reef etc and i still dont get all this knocking of Frankel,oh he cant be an all time great because he only runs over a mile,what absolute ********.
The horse is an all time great(imo) and elisjohn sums it up far better than me.I am a massive Dancing Brave fan but have to hold my hands up and say (regretably) that Frankel is the better racehorse.
To all the Frankel knockers,where and at what trip would you like to see him run and who against?
the juddmonte, eclipse and arc, if he wins all 3 id be amazed.
cheers.
most people knocking frankel says he has to go up in trip, usain bolt is an all time great, we dont expect him to win olympics at 400m 800m , mile and a marathon do we, he wouldnt stand a chance, he might be competitive at 400m but wouldnt win, same as frankel he might get away with 10f but i think loads just want to see him go up so that he gets beaten.
SJ, yes he can go down as an all time great, but he can't be the greatest if he doesn't go up in trip ( imo )
EJ, I certainly don't want him to go up in trip so he can get beat.. I just want him to do what previous greats have done, which is to be a Champion over different distances.
Els, everyone uses the Usain Bolt theme but sprinters are entirely different to middle distance runners. Seb Coe ran at 800 and 15000 metres. Most runners run in the 5000 and 10,000 metre races son ffs stop using Usain Bolt because it is not a direct comparison.
And Ilike, if Cecil thought it was straightforward he would have run him over 10f before now, he obviously doesn't and isn't.
I think Frankel is a great racehorse, I think Frankel is a great racehorse, I think Frankel is a great racehorse BUT to be the GREATEST racehorse he must achieve something like the greats he is supposed to be better than. At least.
I think Frankel is a great racehorse, I think Frankel is a great racehorse, I think Frankel is a great racehorse BUT to be the GREATEST racehorse he must achieve something like the greats he is supposed to be better than. At least.
comparing human sprinters to horses is feckin nonsense.
horses have pedigrees, follow a certain campaign that matches that campaign and pedigree if shown the right level of ability (most of the time).
once since frankel are people using this pathetic argument to justify frankels campaign.
horses have pedigrees, follow a certain campaign that matches that campaign and pedigree if shown the right level of ability (most of the time).
once since frankel are people using this pathetic argument to justify frankels campaign.
yes i agree with u brig. its beyond my comprehension at this stage tbh.
seriously the sussex again? whats that all about?
the horse should be running in the juddmonte and the eclipse and if in good form the arc (maybe he wont stay but this is what u do, u risk it to see if hes good enough). not frankle apparently. he beat excelebration by 11L, he no longer has anything to prove to anyone, all the 10 and 12f champs have to take him on on his terms. did u ever hear the like of it .
seriously the sussex again? whats that all about?
the horse should be running in the juddmonte and the eclipse and if in good form the arc (maybe he wont stay but this is what u do, u risk it to see if hes good enough). not frankle apparently. he beat excelebration by 11L, he no longer has anything to prove to anyone, all the 10 and 12f champs have to take him on on his terms
. did u ever hear the like of it .
I agree Ilike.
And there is a huge machine behind Frankel generating as much publicity as is possible. In May 750,000 colour magazines featuring him were distributed around. The whole Racing for Change team are doing everything to promote him and to justify their own existence.
None, I repeat none, of the greats of past had such a hype machine promoting their achievements, the achievements stood alone and have stood the test of time.
And there is a huge machine behind Frankel generating as much publicity as is possible. In May 750,000 colour magazines featuring him were distributed around. The whole Racing for Change team are doing everything to promote him and to justify their own existence.
None, I repeat none, of the greats of past had such a hype machine promoting their achievements, the achievements stood alone and have stood the test of time.
middle distance runners can be trained to go from 800 m to 1500 to 10,000 to marathon, you cannot train a horse to stay a distance if pedigree says no, of course i could train frankel to win over 2 miles against sellers probably , butnot against top class performers .
, butnot against top class performers .
It's called pattern racing. It was here before any of us and it will be here long after.
Frankel has followed the pattern to the letter and has a perfect score.
Anyone who believes they could have campaigned the horse better than Henry Cecil is simply deluded.
Frankel has followed the pattern to the letter and has a perfect score.
Anyone who believes they could have campaigned the horse better than Henry Cecil is simply deluded.
i agree here with you re racing for change rubbish, but one thing that frankel is masking over imo is the sad state of uk racehorses on the whole, bloody hopeless, god help us when frankel retires
Why does Frankel have to run (and I presume win) in the Arc to be considered a great ?
Does Usain Bolt have to win the 3000m steeplechase at the Olympics ?
Does Usain Bolt have to win the 3000m steeplechase at the Olympics ?
Camelot should run in the juddmonte as the main trial race for the ledger is also on the same day and it wouldn't knock his future stud value if he gets beat by Frankel and it would increase the worth of Galileo. After the Juddmonte Frankel will go to champions day as Sir Henry said why go to America with the horse when we should be supporting British racing first and why should we loss out on seeing one of the best horses on the biggest day's racing in britain. The talk about So You Think running is rubbish as after saturday he is going to go to stud over in Austrailia as they have made room for him by what looks like bringing back starspangaledbanner back into training as they have given him two entries one this month in Ireland and one in the nunthorpe.
folk are on here saying frankel is not a great if he dodges the arc and yet at the same time talking up a 12f specialist (camelot) who will almost certainly dodge the arc to take the easy 3 runner G2 st leger.
there have been plenty of top class horses that didn't stay 12f and it's only here in europe that 12f stayers are desirable.
in australia as we all know they only have time for sprinters whereas in america their classic distance is 10f.
I don't remember many on here knocking goldikova when she kept winning over a mile so why knock frankel. besides it's almost certain that he's going to step up to 10f now so we'll see who can beat him then, or even who will take him on.
there have been plenty of top class horses that didn't stay 12f and it's only here in europe that 12f stayers are desirable.
in australia as we all know they only have time for sprinters whereas in america their classic distance is 10f.
I don't remember many on here knocking goldikova when she kept winning over a mile so why knock frankel. besides it's almost certain that he's going to step up to 10f now so we'll see who can beat him then, or even who will take him on.
Folk baffle me sometimes. If Lewis Hamilton was always racing against poor opposition and winning easily would you claim him to be the greatest driver ever? Would you? Really?
Frankel is clearly head and shoulders above the other milers that everyone agrees are a fairly modest bunch, but does that make him the greatest racehorse ever. Does it? Really? Do you not think you are being conned? Deluded? No?
The reason I'm asking is because sometime in the future when someone else has copied the same route as Frankel, simply because that now appears to be the way to the top, trying to win Gns and Derby's is old hat, you will be asked to compare. Will you then be saying 'well Frankel was great but in all reality he was beating e ff all'.
Frankel is clearly head and shoulders above the other milers that everyone agrees are a fairly modest bunch, but does that make him the greatest racehorse ever. Does it? Really? Do you not think you are being conned? Deluded? No?
The reason I'm asking is because sometime in the future when someone else has copied the same route as Frankel, simply because that now appears to be the way to the top, trying to win Gns and Derby's is old hat, you will be asked to compare. Will you then be saying 'well Frankel was great but in all reality he was beating e ff all'.
om not saying hes not a great if he doesnt run in the arc and im not saying camelot IS a great either, far from it.
all im saying is that the racing public are easily pleased when they appear to be more impressed when they see a horse beat a horses hes previously demolished 5 previous times beat him again, albeit by 11L.
when we have seen horses only need one or two runs to beat the best milers then beat the best 10F then 12f etc...
all im saying is that the racing public are easily pleased when they appear to be more impressed when they see a horse beat a horses hes previously demolished 5 previous times beat him again, albeit by 11L.
when we have seen horses only need one or two runs to beat the best milers then beat the best 10F then 12f etc...
Hamilton was the horse Max. I took it for granted you would understand the metaphor. Reload.
I don't think there is any doubt that Frankel is a great, he's one of the best milers ever.
But to be the greatest, which he's been rated by some, he has to at least match what any horse has ever done on a track, being one of the great milers makes you a great horse, but you need to do more to be considered one of the greatest horses ever, which is why I'm desperate to see him tackle different trips, he could do it, there is still time for him to do amazing things.
But to be the greatest, which he's been rated by some, he has to at least match what any horse has ever done on a track, being one of the great milers makes you a great horse, but you need to do more to be considered one of the greatest horses ever, which is why I'm desperate to see him tackle different trips, he could do it, there is still time for him to do amazing things.
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