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no reason for camelot not to go there
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Apart from getting beat
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Absolutely no chance. The Triple Crown is the only target.History in the making for the ageing triumvirate.
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The eminently winnable option of the St.Leger is an extremely convenient excuse for swerving the Juddmonte, and getting ransacked by Frankel.
Let's face it...triple crown winner, and a fourth classic or an inevitable hammering. It won't be both (as many of us want to see) as the beating at York would scar him (Excelebration style) and the last leg of the treble (and other targets) could be left behind on the Knavesmire. Also...a shot at the Arc and legendary status similar to Sea The Stars would be there for him, and even if he fails at Longchamp...EVERYONE forgives an Arc defeat after a long hard season, so there's everything to gain and little to lose, except the small matter of an unbeaten record. For such a 'Stentorian' in his praise for his horses, in reality, O'Brien has the balls of a blue bull canary bird - it's just not gonna happen! Don't be fooled by his participation in the Derby earlier...they KNEW he had tons in hand, and on the evidence I witnessed, maybe the St.Leger isn't the penalty kick (like Shergar) that we're all assuming? |
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There`s no swerving the Juddmonte. It was never going to happen.
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Felt - you state 'it was never going to happen'
 And we ALL know the reason why! They're running scared  |
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The connections have been very clear The Triple Crown is the objective.There is absolutely no question of running scared. Black Caviar/Frankel, Camelot/Frankel is just not going to happen.
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No chance of both then Felt?
Commanche Run did   |
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Sorry no. There has to certain things in life that we are left to ponder and this is one of them.
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Felt - you can't condone this...it's an obvious swerve and they're cheating the public if they don't take in the two races.
There are 24 days between the races...I don't see the problem at all  |
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Commanche Run is no comparison to a triple crown contender though.
Now, Oh So Sharp... |
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Sorry it`s not a question of condoning anything it`s a question of seeing things as they are and not how one wants them to be.
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Hopefully, they'll put the ladies on hold for So You Think and send him to the Juddmonte.
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Eclipse maybe and then the ladies.
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After the Prince of Wales I got the feeling AOB would like to make it happen - else why give him the entry?
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You may be right but would you take on Frankel.
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Irish Derby 30th June, Juddmonte 22nd August and the Leger is 15th September - what's the problem?
Camelot has enough speed to win a Guineas and stamina to win over 12f - 10.5f over a super track sounds like the best of compromises. I don't think I'll be able to tolerate it, if Camelot completes the triple crown, wins an average Arc and retires unbeaten! Then we'll get the endless 'what might have been' debates - deep down...WE ALL KNOW! |
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With So You Think - Yes.
It's a shot to nothing and being Coolmore they'll put in the tag-team to stretch Frankel's stamina. |
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commanche run, won the juddmonte the year after the leger if my memory is correct, oh so sharp did run juddmonte and leger
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E&J - I was taking the piss squire
 the wink & the were obvious clues |
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I don`t like "what might have beens" they just produce a lot of futile debates. Bottom line I don`t think Coolmore will take on Frankel with any of their big guns.
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FF - I think they will mate...whatever they've got, except Frankel!
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Sorry...except CAMELOT!
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This season's Frankel is at least as good a horse that I've ever seen so obv if Camelot was mine I'd deffo swerve York.
Today was Camelot's fifth race, Frankel's fifth race was The Greenham. Wfa or not, For a match absolutely fair Camelot would need more time to mature and gain experience before the huge task of actually trying to beat Frankel imo, I'd be pointing out tho that Camelot is doing something that Frankel couldn't do in his classic season. |
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We`ll see F.
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sorry foetus |
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Bruv - to say COULDN'T is quite an assertion...he DIDN'T as we all know, but he MIGHT have been able to.
I've said many times on here that 10.5f at York will hold NO barriers for him, and if he's stretching to the line as I anticipate, then we'll be better placed to assess his prospects of 12f! Though ALL that as a 3yo (with all the trimmings) is almost an IMPOSSIBLE task! |
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I don't think 10 or 12 this season would pose any problems for Frankel, nothing can touch him anywhere imo.
I don't think the 1111-11111-11111 became the priority until Frankel beat Canford Cliffs, he's the best horse Frankel has faced and there were other places they could go, so I don't think dodging Epsom was the fear of a number on a racecard. I can't help thinking that if Henry thought Frankel could win the Derby, he would have run him, It clearly wasn't a lack of ability so there is an "it", temperament or whatever, Camelot has got whatever "it" is that Frankel didn't at 3 that has enabled him to win a Guineas and Derby's. |
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BM - there were DEFINITE concerns about his temperament at that stage of his career, and I think Henry made the right move in swerving Epsom.
Nowadays...we're talking about a REAL machine that would chew up a horse that's long odds-on for the triple crown. |
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If anyone wanted proof that AOB is bad for racing this season is it. We have a Derby where where only 7 horses ran against AOB and an Irish Derby where only 3 horses ran against AOB.
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Definitely Foetus, Frankel would beat Camelot lengths at York, I think Camelot would have beat the 3y/o Frankel at Epsom tho.
Ultimately I severely doubt Camelot is ever going to be able to beat Frankel over 10 furlongs but if Camelot retires a Triple Crown winner he'll deserve his place among the greats just as much as Frankel does imo. |
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Sorry I don't understand that Max. And domination is bad in any walk of life.
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Of course not but, like Murdoch, so much power has it's effect. Had many of AOB's horses been trained by a variety of trainers instead of one I'm certain we would have more competitive and balanced racing. I don't know what the answer is but when you have a Derby with only three opponents there has to be major problems. Plus one stable has almost all of the UK's main horses.
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The answer is he gets the virus, bad. For at least a season. That way the owners will regret having all of their eggs in one basket and spread them around other trainers. I seriously think if AOB only trained half of the horses and others trained the other half we would see a completely different effect on racing. As it is you have one trainer with 30 stars and 30 trainers with 1 star each. Total imbalance.
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Agreed.
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quite laughable that frankel supporters suggesting a horse is swerving races.
holy jaysus, frankels only been beating up the same horse over the same trip for 6 starts now  guineas and duel derby winner in 5 starts. now thats how u campaign a horse. let frankel win the sussex (again)  henry had his chance with him. |
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frankel's next two races....Sussex, QEII then retired undefeated....two easy risk free wins. Sir Henry more than happy with that.
Juddemont lol. |
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I think we all know that Frankel is the best horse but for me he has to travel to the breeders cup and beat the best over there to round off his career and silence the justified critics that he's beating up the same horses race in and race out.Come on Henry give it a go.Lesser horses have gone there and done it ,I'm sure he can as well.
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what horse over what trip?
henry knows the limitations of this horse, he'd be running in the arc otherwise the champion stakes ffs you have to laugh. |