Hugh Taylor

totally agree, pup, Hugh has become a nuisance for other punters as he can bugger the price on one of your fancies if he puts it up and there is usually no value to be had if you are persuaded by his angle/argument for a tip.

however, it does annoy me when people try to undermine his ability by saying the odds are mythical...if you want to find out who can tip, give them all the morning prices and see who can turn a profit, which HT has done consistently and to some tune...the problem of the odds disappearing the moment the selections are known is an entirely different issue imo

Maybe Hugh can get out of it by tipping Sir Mozart in the lucky last tonight for a 25 point win? That has to be value at 3.0 the way that scooted up last time? (Lets hope Barney agrees)

Agree with you duncan the man is good in reality its no use to me but i have respect for the man even if he is on a very poor run inwhich hugh himself would hold his hands up to it.I am sure their will be a winner around the corner but i can not bet that way i need regular winners to keep my head above water plus i do not want to blame anyone else but myself if i have a bad run .

You will need to be a mind reader with that one level good luck sir.

the problem of the odds disappearing the moment the selections are known is an entirely different issue imo
yes agree duncan but its the down side of the tipping game that alot of people do not understand and that is a huge problem
both hugh and pricewise as it looks to people they are messing about with the prices.

I have followed gary o brien but people are right he tips a 33-1 shot and it is 12-1 within seconds.Hugh has said before backing 33-1 shots at 12-1 is  waste of time. Trouble is my own sel dont win anyway so ineed some help james boyle is on an awful run at least if he tips an 16-1 shot u can get on the only prob is u get shut down whether they win or not me by corals and spoilsports.

All these tipsters are great at reading form but then coming to a conclusion that rarely works out.

Its a great pity they dont study their own form, if they did they would retire.

In his book stewart simpson always back winners said if u back 20 losers u shld give up yet hugh says 50 losers is not unusual who is right

troy the price the horse is has a huge outcome on the run of losers so its unfair to judge them all the same, imv.

Thanks vb ive seen hugh talking about 50 losers .How do u stand wirh tom working for lads.When he admitted missing dandy in wokingham is he compromised adv when lad are top price about said horse.

In his book stewart simpson always back winners said if u back 20 losers u shld give up yet hugh says 50 losers is not unusual who is right


well, unless you think Hugh should give up despite being over 1000pts up since starting, it's not stewart simpson.

Sadly he has gone for another loser today.

todays pick has 5lbs to find before the race starts.

can understand Hugh going for this selection today. all the form tying in with that brittania winner seems to be working out. someone once told me that one of the best systems in racing was to back all the horses that actually run in the brittania for the rest of their 3yo careers.

knew it was a great time to start trebling the stakes...the dam had to be about to burst soon...great stuff, Hugh

Got the advised 9/1 from the baldy fella this morning (see the prices exist) but logged in and a deduction. Suppose the haters wanna blame Sir Hugh for that?

WD Duncan I'm keeping stakes as they are for a while in case the man is on to me...

onto you, , if you ask nicely in the morning baldy might give you your 50 odd losing slips back with your winnings ,just to rub it in,

if you threatened to leave or change bookies,baldy would tak an injuction out against you,

the guys showing a long term profit over the years i thought that was what its all about.

not really all that counts is when you joined in,as he was an unknown to most in the beginning,most will have joined in after he showed a bit of form,so lots will have missed his early winners

He's back!

Form Factor tomorrow too...skill!

how can you lot be getting excited over him having 1 winner in 51 attemps....its completely laughable

J**** F*** KingMug is at it again

It is staggering how many people don`t seem to have grasped the most fundamental principles about betting.

Of course he has put up a decent winner, there will be lots more to follow and there will be long losing runs again too. Over 1000 points in profit - simples.

Have re-read all the posts and agree with an earlier punter...

You individuals are all too far down the food chain to make any money...

The selections are to be layed only.

Friends and family get all the decent prices which have always gone before the tip is posted...

And if you do not believe that statement why does he regularly say "another selection will follow".... when he should say "I will post my next selection when family and friends have had sufficient on to lay"....

Jul 3, 2012 -- 7:35PM, NMR wrote:

J**** F*** KingMug is at it again

you think a man who tips up 1 winner in 51 selections is any good ? open your eyes you clown!

How can they be this ignorant?

You never cease to amaze me spanker !!

KingGzzzzzzzzzz and homefortea are lost causes, laz...leave 'em be imo

my girlfriend who knows absolutely nothing about horse racing can pick a winner in every 4......we are talking about a "pro tipster" who gets 1 right in 51 selections and every one suc.ks his **** ?

+1000pts

Duncan, yes Hugh is up 1000 plus points because he can get on...

Anyone following him would be well down because after a while you have to take at the most 70% of his advertised prices.If they lose that is no problem.......

Cannot understand why the "bookmakers" cut his prices so much as he only wins to a small percentage, but this is in the era of Corals staff blowing a whistle if they take £10 on a horse !!

yes Hugh is up 1000 plus points

Cannot understand why the "bookmakers" cut his prices



you couldnt make this stuff up

follow me richters watchit gtmole, pick more winners than hugh taylor has hot dinners...and he has alot of dinners... chubby mug

he's not even chubby

he is

look at him on that atr show where hes on tipping up losers

chub everywhere!!! all over him!!!

duncan you are spot-on as ever.

Aww Duncan and creepy bonding, how touching.

Duncan you are the original horses arse and no wonder the spanker loves you !!

I said "I cannot understand why the Bookmakers cut their prices so much"....

So much means that if Hugh (I do not bet) posts a 16/1 shot do not cut the price to 9/1.....

Make it a 12/1 shot and you will still make bundles.....

And why do fools persist in lying, pretending they are able to obtain the prices Hugh puts up?
+1000 PTs? Grow up ffs

Clearly he makes a profit at advised odds, but those prices are not available unless you are terminally clueless or set up enough accounts to make internet subterfuge a full time job.

Who does this benefit - well surprise, surprise it's the bookmaking industry, who get to snuff out the value while barely laying a bet, and take the money of those brain dead enough to still want to be on the selections once they've slashed the prices.

Even those who can agree that he's a phenomenally successful tipster would have to accept that the column he writes, which highlights price rics so that those offering them can close them faster than The Road Runner on acid, is totally anti-punter, and we'd all be better off if it didn't exist.

What's most obscene of all, is that ATR know this, but still continue to present the column as if it is some sort of panacea for losing punters, when all it's really doing, after the bookmakers have slashed their prices without laying anyone, is encouraging them to place exceptionally poor value bets...

if you are referring to me yorky, nowhere have i said i obtain the prices Hugh puts up...i dont try...but that figure does reflect his ability as a tipster (and is why the bookies run for cover)

Jul 3, 2012 -- 9:54PM, duncan idaho wrote:

if you are referring to me yorky, nowhere have i said i obtain the prices Hugh puts up...i dont try...but that figure does reflect his ability as a tipster (and is why the bookies run for cover)

idiot

Millhouse I was going to say just that but the third bottle of wine has just kicked in....

Basically everything has swung so much in favour of the alleged "Bookmakers" that something has to change and soon surely.....

They really are now taking the .....

Maximum surely fenman !! Up late are you !! Same here will retire shortly to watch the Six Million Pound Conman on C4...

Surely it cannot be about Ralph Topping......

A MININMUM WAGER= someone employed on the minimum wage

Perhaps I centre 9-45 - 11am 7 days a week on being awake (no matter how hungover or tired I am) and having Hugh's twitter feed open, all my accounts open and being a keyboard ninja to ensure I always get at least 90% of advised price. Most days (like today) i got advised price, and sometimes bookmakers who he doesn't mention have them laid higher (though happens rarely). So those bitching about never getting the price just don't put the effort in imo.

I send out prices 24 hours in advance of most races,some on here recieve them i've been keeping track for the last sixteen week and to 1p level stakes +160 points,averaging probably 10 picks a week.Work that little r.o.i out
all written up and prices sent out between 4pm and anywhere between 12am,the prices are getting decimated and miles infront at sp obviously.Looking at the way the prices are contracting i would imagine there are hundred getting on early and thousands reading and passing on also.

So those bitching about never getting the price just don't put the effort in imo.


yes, we have lives.

yes, we have lives.

Putting everything else on hold for an hour each morning is possible, there's even the 20+ minutes between selections. Anyways while waiting on first selection I predict it will be the catterick 3.50 :)

nmr help me spoilsports and corals wont accept my bets but have not closed account.Tried to get hugh prices impossible i do what u do price changes or refered to trader too late

TBF +1000 points in 3 years is f ucking ****...Better than most i spose though..

nmr help me spoilsports and corals wont accept my bets but have not closed account.Tried to get hugh prices impossible i do what u do price changes or refered to trader too late

Yip i hear ya, John's crowd have me limited to 50p bets on anything now too, once all the bookies get onto me it'll be time to look into the IP address carry on that people here talk about...

I have to concede the 20/1 went faster than usual this morning.

I have to concede the 20/1 went faster than usual this morning.


cos he's hit form, innit....treble steaks

Hi dunc/millh/gigs/ I admit I havent read all the posts but have done first and last pages of thread, so apologies if its been said, but what has Hugh said if someone has just asked if he'd put up SP ROI alongside the 'advised stakes' return on atr site? tia. obvviously it ( might! ) resolve a few of the moans on the thread?

Surprised no one on here or Hugh on atr talks more about bankroll.
The vast majority of punters dont have a big tank.
Because he backs big prices and often has long losing runs he MUST tell people they need a massive bank or have tiny bets from a big bank or run a MASSIVE risk of going bust.

1) You can get very little on his selections at anything like advertised prices.
2) You will go broke unless you have a large bank.

Basically he is a nightmare for the majority of punters regardless of big profits long term at early prices.

He understands race analysis and should just do the form factor without explicit tips.

healthy loss at SP, i think, hornshoe....inevitable...not a tipster alive who could turn an SP profit if the odds on their selections are halved the moment they put them up.

Not true Duncan...

Just part of the show, undoubtedly. I cannot understand the logic of anyone who follows this game following anyone else.

whatever, colonel

duncan idaho
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whatever, colonel



I read your posts Dunc and you clearly only have one opinion and it will never waver...YOUR OWN..Maybe you should look outside the box and realise you dont know everything..

colonel, if you've got something to say, say it....you're obviously itching to tell us why  '+1000 points in 3 years is f ucking ****'

I am saying nothing..."We know"..And i did say "better than most to be fair"..

There's only one way to settle this, lads, a Colonel vs Saint Hugh tipping challenge from today until the end of October, with P+L settled at ISP.

I believe both gentlemen have put up 2 selections today.

You up for it, Colonel?

in which case my 'whatever, colonel' was pretty much spot on, wasnt it?

lol nice idea George..But i have already put a thread up this year which will in all likeliness blow him out of the water if i never had a bet for the rest of my life and he punted for 50 years..I have also hit a 800x initial stake after that run.i cannot put up such selections now because it would be a "conflict of interest" for my syndicate..All the best..

It was Dunc,that is why i was laughing..gl

Duncan, I'm guessing that Hugh Taylor is a friend/colleague of yours...??

Or boyfriend Millhouse??

never met the guy, millhouse, and have no knowledge of him personally at all

..and, yes, you are exactly right with everything you say about the column

...and if the colonel could have the odds on all his fancies halved and still turn a profit, i take my hat off to him too.

Strands doesn`t really understand.

nmr hugh says first sel halved in price before it was on atr.thats according to his twitter feed.(flynns boy 3.10 yarm weve got no chance

these horses shorthen in price because other people have spotted they are overpriced...Hugh isnt the only person with a formbook and video recorder....not simply a case of there being a leak at ATR

weve got no chance


That's absolutely 100% the idea...

some of these markets open at 4pm the day before.
Coming in 18 hours after every other thief has waxed their plums doesn't seem to be working...

Coming in 18 hours after every other thief has waxed their plums doesn't seem to be working...

I agree, being a night owl I'd love it if he started putting his column up the night before, as he seems to do a lot of the work day before.

Coming in 18 hours after every other thief has waxed their plums doesn't seem to be working


+1000pts

they priced up run of the mill handicaps at 4pm the day before 3 years ago?
indeed....

losing run only started a month ago...profit majority of months prior to that

have to admit the current climate affects the price everyone gets.
It affects Hugh he's said it himself, his first pick is sometimes gone in price.
Waterford Star was a good example the other day.
100/30 opening doors.

The bookies changed their prices within seconds of todays selections, his column therefore is pointless as its supposed to be about seeking value, there is only value if you can actually obtain the price which is now near impossible, with this in mind it might now be more worthwhile to lay his selections seeing as most of them end up much less than the price quoted...

If he is up nearly 1000points since he gave out tips whats the profit/loss on laying his selections at sp giving that most are much less than the price??? Would that be more profitable???

his column therefore is pointless as its supposed to be about seeking value....sadly this is true

Would that be more profitable???....dont know...afraid you're going to have to work that out yourself

hey duncan

just about to do some analysis on his 2012 results from jan-jun

will report any interesting findings once i have it done :)

cheers marko...it will almost certainly be a loss at SP...would be interesting to put a figure on it

marko69
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The bookies changed their prices within seconds of todays selections, his column therefore is pointless as its supposed to be about seeking value, there is only value if you can actually obtain the price which is now near impossible, with this in mind it might now be more worthwhile to lay his selections seeing as most of them end up much less than the price quoted...

If you lose money backing them, you don't have to be Holmes to know that someone is making money laying them  ;)

had to laugh at the corals rep on ruk.
"they backing cityscape" for some reason.
they must think we all stupid.

they do that on atr as well. i think THEY are genuinely thick  :)

I lay his tips (let the sheep get on first)...made me enough in the last 15 months to buy my mrs a brand new Porsche cayenne..that should answer anyone's question...cheers Hugh ...you da man..

they do that on atr as well. i think THEY are genuinely thick


agreed

Colonel Trautman
07 Jul 12 13:12

I lay his tips (let the sheep get on first)...made me enough in the last 15 months to buy my mrs a brand new Porsche cayenne..that should answer anyone's question


Just whizzed thru Hugh's tips off ATR site for Jan-June 2012 to see how you would have fared with a £100 lay on every selection at BSP (ie even if Hugh put up 3pt Win i still treated it as a £100 lay not a £300 lay). These are the figs before you take into account upto 5% commission on each of hundreds of winning lays:-


Jan    +2540
Feb    -1835
March  +1232
April  -5393
May    +1135
June   +2271

Total  -£50.00


So you would have made a 50 quid loss BEFORE all the commission you have paid on the winners is taking into account

Hope that Porsche isnt a gas guzzler, colonel!

Key word old boy "BSP"...And yes it is a gas guzzler..All the best..

Don't agree with everything Duncan has posted on this fred, but his last post is a belter.

backing under bsp on his tips is piece of pish..they normally have a set pattern..It aint rocket salad kids..

Like anyone would lay at bsp duh..

Duncan give it a rest for fooks sake...

Hugh does what the Seagull does and picks out a bit of value...

Not too hard...

The hard bit is getting on especially when those in the know have had their cards marked before the selections go online...

Nice work if you can get it.....

If only I could have a website where I could post my selections having backed them earlier...

Coming soon homefortea.co.uk

Cityscape was a strange one for Hugh today! Surely, all the value had gone before today, and if he'd known the CoC was a C o c k, he wouldn't of put it up anyway. Good to Soft? No way Jose!