how much have you won/lost year to date...be honest

a lot of punters lie..

usually between £20 and £50

I'm up over the 4 years I've been on here.My golden rule is ALWAYS to bet the same level stake and it's working for me.

I answer this question when asked by saying I have never used a cash point in my life.

down a grand .quite good for me

Including when I started gambling up until 2009 I'm a down a huge amount, I was a madder.

In the last three years on here and daq I'm around 3 or 4k up, it was wayyy more than that but I did my nuts in spectacular stylee to an embarrassing amount at The Breeders Cup last year.

Roquebrune have been thinking about your comment which has an obvious consistency about it however am wondering if it would make more sense to bet to win a consistent amount on every bet. For example if one sets a win target of £100 then if betting a horse at 2/1 you would stake £50 and at 4/1 £25.

Anyone got any experience of betting this way.

I am £102 down on the year while betting most days. That compares to £1500 up on financial investment (it was £9000 up at the end of april) so it is not a significant part of my financial affairs. I bet for fun but invest for income. My profit/loss on betting per year is about equal to my profit/loss from 100 point movement in the FTSE 100.

As far as staking is concerned, it depends on how and why you bet. If I have researched a race thoroughly, I might have a decent sized bet but if I am having what I call a "boredom bet" on a race that happens to be on next, it is usually only £2 or £3. I also back and lay a lot.

7/1/2012    1 Point Atouchbetweenacara 7/1    -1    -1   
7/1/2012    1 Point Daves Dream 10-1        -1    -2   
14/1/2012    1 Point Act of Kalaisi        -1    -3   
14/1/2012    1 Point Major Malarkey 10-1        -1    -4   
17/2/2012    1 Point Burton Point 10-1        -1    -5   
13/3/2012    1 Point ew rock On Ruby 8-1(without)    10    5   
13/3/2012    1/2 Point rfc Binocular/ROR        -1    4   
13/3/2012    1 Point each Tetlami/Prospect wells    -2    2   
13/3/2012    1/2 Point ew Kalann 80-1 (without)    -1    1   
13/3/2012    1.5 Points Magnanamity 20-1         -1.5    -0.5   
13/3/2012    1 Point Pentiffic 20-1        -1    -1.5   
14/3/2012    2 Points Finians Rainbow 5-1        10    8.5   
14/3/2012    1/2 Point rfc Finians Rainbow/ishful thinking    -1    7.5   
14/3/2012    1.5 Points Veiled 20-1 1 Point Sapphir 33    -2.5    5   
14/3/2012    1/2 Point Son Of Flicka 66-1        33    38   
15/3/2012    1.5 Points Great Endeavour 14-1    -1.5    36.5   
15/3/2012    1/4 Point com GE/AR/CC        -1.5    35   
15/3/2012    1/2 Point rfc Champ Court/Mich Flips    -1    34   
15/3/2012    1 Point Fine Parchment 33-1        -1    33   
15/3/2012    1.5 Points ew Thousand Stars 4-1 without    0    33   
15/3/2012    1/2 Point rfc Oscar Wh/Thousand stars    -1    32   
16/3/2012    1.5 Points Hisaabaat 16-1        -1.5    30.5   
16/3/2012    1 Point Clerks Choice        -1    29.5   
16/3/2012    1.5 Points Idarah 20-1        -1.5    28   
16/3/2012    2 Points Imsingingtheblues 20-1        -2    26   
16/3/2012    1 Point Dan Breen 20-1        -1    25   
23/3/2012    1 Point ew Cai Shen 10-1        1.5    26.5   
30/3/2012    1 Point Each Start right/Man Of Action    -2    24.5   
7/4/2012    1.5 Points Prime Exhibit 11-2        -1.5    23   
7/4/2012    1 Point Chapter And Verse 10-1        -1    22   
7/4/2012    1/4 Point rfc CAV/Maverik        -0.5    21.5   
12/4/2012    1 Point Roberta Goldback 50-1        -1    20.5   
12/4/2012    1.5 Points Silk Drum 12-1 1/2 Point Free W    -2    18.5   
12/4/2012    1.5 Points Palace jester 20-1 1 Veiled 16-1    -2.5    16   
13/4/12    2 Points Kauto Stone 11-1 bog        -2    14   
13/4/12    1/2 PT rfc KS/Poq 1/4 rfc KS/WT    -1.5    12.5   
13/4/12    1 Point Like Minded 25-1        -1    11.5   
13/4/12    1 Point street Entertainer 16-1        -1    10.5   
13/4/12    1/2 Point Saphir River 33-1        -0.5    10   
14/4/2012    1.5 Points Junior 12-1        -1.5    8.5   
14/4/2012    1/4 Point rfc Junior/Synchronised    -0.5    8   
14/4/2012    1/4 Point rfc Saint Are/Battle Group    18    26   
14/4/2012    1.5 Point1.5 Points Saint Are 12-1    18    44   
21/4/2012    1.5 Points Global Village 14-1         -1.5    42.5   
21/4/2012    1 Point Nazreef 14-1        -1    41.5   
21/4/2012    1/4 sfc Fury tb GV/NAZ        -0.5    41   
21/4/2012    1.5 Points Tornado Bob 14-1        -1.5    39.5   
21/4/2012    1/4 rfc Tor Bob/Amer Tril        -0.5    39   
21/4/2012    1/2 Point rfc Allied Pow/Bridge of gold    -1    38   
21/4/2012    1 Point Junior 14-1 1 Point Merigo 7/1    6    44   
28/4/12    1.5 Points The Pier @9-1        -1    43   
28/4/12    1.5 Points Cornas @16-1        -1.5    41.5   
28/4/12    1.5 Points Tidal Bay@10-1        13.5    55   
28/4/12    0.50 Points Viking Blonde @20-1    -0.5    54.5   
28/4/12    1/2 Point rfc Columbian/Poet        3.8    58.3   
28/4/12    1 Point European Dream @12-1        -1    57.3   
4/5/2012    1.5 Points Imperial Djay 7-1        -1.5    55.8   
5/5/2012    1 Point Spanish Duke 12-1        -1    54.8   
5/5/2012    1/4 Point c    om Spanis    /tullius/Memory    17.4    72.2   
5/5/2012    1 Point sfc Meandre/Fiorente        -1    71.2   
5/5/2012    1/4 Point com FF/AB/HER 1/4 RFC 1st two    -2    69.2   
5/5/2012    2 Points Eton Rifles 10-1        -2    67.2   
6/5/2012    2.5 Lyric Of Light 10-1 1 Point Dialla 18-1    -3    64.2   
6/5/2012    1 Point each The Confessor/Par Py @12-1    -2    62.2   
9/5/2012    1.5 Points Ile De Re 14-1        21    83.2   
10/5/2012    1.5 Points Robemaker 9-2        -1.5    81.7   
10/5/2012    1/4 Point com Myplace/Hunters/Price    -1.5    80.2   
11/5/2012    1 Point Imperial Djay 11-1        -1    79.2   
11/5/2012    1 Point Global Village 12-1        12    91.2   
11/5/2012    1 Point New Leyf 25-1        -1    90.2   
12/5/2012    2 Points Cai Shen 6-1 and 5-1        -2    88.2   
12/5/2012    1 Point Sir Geoffrey 8-1        -1    87.2   
12/5/2012    1 Point Saphir River 12-1        -1    86.2   
12/5/2012    2 Points Combo Victoria Cup        -2    85.2   
16/5/12    1 Point Right Step 9-1        -1    84.2   
16/5/12    1 Point Good Morning Star 16-1        -1    83.2   
16/5/12    1.5 Points Tartiflette 7-1 1/4 Point rfc VDA    -2    81.2   
17/5/12    1.5 Points Common Touch 14-1        -1.5    79.7   
17/5/12    1/4 Point rfc Common/Navajo        -0.5    79.2   
17/5/12    1 Point Dark Ranger @9-1        -1    78.2   
18/5/2012    1,5 Points Pleasant Day@20-1        -1.5    76.7   
18/5/2012    1/2 Point rfc **** Dou/Danadana    -1    75.7   
18/5/2012    2 Points Bridge of Gold@5-1        -2    73.7   
18/5/2012    1.5 Points Prime Exhibit 10-1        -1.5    72.2   
18/5/12    1/4 Point rfc Prime/Imperial        -0.5    71.7   
18/5/12    Perm Multiple        -1    70.7   
26/5/2012    1.5 Points best Terms 20-1 1/4 rfc Sole Po    -2    68.7   
26/5/2012    1/4 Point rfc Drift adr/Triple/White    -1    67.7   
26/5/12    1 Point Johannes 14-1        -1    66.7   
26/5/12    1.5 Points Star Rover 20-1        -1.5    65.2   
26/5/12    1 Point  Imperial Djay 14-1 1 Point High St    13    78.2   
26/5/12    1/4 Point rfc high St/Imperial djay    -0.5    77.7    123
31/5/12    1/2 Point rfc Times up/Ibenenco        -1    -76.7   
31/5/12    1/4 Point rfc Times up/Askar tau        -0.5    76.2   
31/5/12    1.5 Points Chapter and Verse        -1.5    74.7   
1/6/2012    2 Points Vow@6-1        -2    72.7   
1/6/2012    1.5Points Highland Knight 14-1        21    93.7   
1/6/2012    1 Point Roayh 14-1        -1    92.7   
1/6/2012    1 point 16-1 and 20-1 Black Spirit    -2    90.7   
1/6/2012    1/4 rfc BS/Res 1/2 sfc Gate/BS         -1    89.7   
1/6/2012    1/2 Point rfc Dance and Dance/Side Glance    10.6    100.3   
1/6/2012    1/2 sfc the Fug/Vow 1/4 rfc Vow/shir star    -1    99.3   
2/6/2012    1.5 Points Lui Rei@12-1        18    117.3   
2/6/2012    1 Point Astrology@10-1        -1    116.3   
2/6/2012    1/4 Point rfc Ast/Bonfire        -0.5    115.8   
2/6/2012    1 Point Quest For Peace@14-1        -1    114.8   
2/6/2012    1 Point Haamaat 16-1        -1    113.8   
2/6/2012    1 Point Fiery Lad @14-1        14    127.8   
2/6/2012    1/4 Point com Fiery/Quiz/Span        -1.5    126.3   
2/6/2012    1/4 Point Com Bear/James/Artic        -1.5    124.8    143.5



Sorry about the Layout., my computer skills are totally useless

up around 14k betting, will be 17k after bradley wiggins wins le tour de france

A couple of grand down so far this year but as a lot of my punting is to do with Godolphin stables I do expect to recover over the next 4 months when their winners tend to come.

The weather dents my confidence and it has effected the size of fields either being too wet or too dry.

The Sherwood stable has been extremely unlucky for me, what with horses seemingly given lousy rides and horses pulled up for reported breathing problems and on 3 occasions jockeys falling off between flights when cantering its not been the stables best season but I am frightened not to persevere.

Anyway, I live in hope. luck to all.

any of these gambling addicts who say they are up from gambling are complete liars or completely deluded!!!

King, that is a silly statement.  Some people are big winners on here.

King..I'm up

I'm up too,mainly thanks to the above poster

Up about £20,000 Jun11 to Jun12. Which was a disappointing year because was up about £30,000 but I losing run cost me about £10,000 in March to April this year.

It is a betfair fact that 15% of their horseracing customers are winners

but that only 2% of their horseracing customers win in excess of £15000

per annum.  Good luck.

2012-05-31 22:00 to 2012-06-08 12:10

Greyhound Racing: £105.86 | Horse Racing: £474.86 | Tennis: £23.42 | Total P&L:  £604.14 

Last 7 days

Red Hiney you are a true nobend.

I agree with wee eck, unless RH posts a screen shot

If someone has a 20,000+ bank here, then yes I would believe that you are making some nice profits through trading and minimising risk. To anyone else, it's hit and miss, as just backing and laying certain horses can be very random and thus it is extremely hard to make a consistent profit.

I only started using the site last week after taking a hiatus,  but I've just been using it for the forum because I like to use the 'insurebet' on bookies sites when I am backing a horse.

Wee eck is the biggest pr1ck to have ever walked the forum so believe what you want to believe. I dont have to justify my winnings with a screenshot. The OP posed a question, we all answer with honesty. Simple as that.

It never ever ceases to amaze me, the absolutely one-dimensional moronic opinion of losing punters that because they cant win, no one else can.

Andrew as agreed RH is the nobend of all nobends.

I finished my fifth gambling year of keeping records on may 5th. I made £17,332 profit which worked out at £6.05 per hour,I have made similar profits over the previous five years and if I live to the u.k. average age I might just break even if I take into account the losses over the previous 30 years while serving my apprenticeship.Wonderful!!

Red Hiney wno told you about the size of my member? your missus.?

Gotta agree, to all those claiming 'big' profits:

pics or it didn't happen.

Whatever you're typing wee eck (blocked user) i'm sure it's utter bollix. Don't waste your ever decreasing years on it.

30 years apprenticeship



I can't see the light

posy
08 Jun 12 08:56 Joined: 18 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 615 | Blogger: posy's blog
For example if one sets a win target of £100 then if betting a horse at 2/1 you would stake £50 and at 4/1 £25.


Hi Posy, Personally think that is a horrible way to bet. If you fancy two horses equally, one is Evs the other is 10-1, why put £100 on one and only £10 on the other? Now if you put £10 on the Evs horse and £100 on the 10-1 shot, you are likely to be on the right track to long term profit if you've a good selection process.

LOL spankmaster.

So you dont need to provide pics if youre a losing punter and say you are?!

You are unbelievable.

If I were to provide a pic of my P&L over the last year, you would just say I mocked it up, any old mug with half a brain can do that.

Whats the point in posting in the first place if all you are going to do disbelieve every word any winning punter says?

Losing punters think no one else ccan win. LMFAO. Get a grip ffs

Nobend has spoken.

I would hasten to add. Anyone who is losing needs to stop what they are doing and look at another angle. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Nobend has spoken again, heed the word of nobend.

if I take into account the losses over the previous 30 years while serving my apprenticeship.Wonderful!!
Sorry, I should have said "after serving the first 30 years of this lifetime apprenticeship"

I do hope your drivel is not for my benefit eck because im certainly not reading it

I have worked in two betting companies, had access to many, many peoples betting accounts. And I know for a fact that people who win, either have huge banks and are highly connected, or else they win only once or twice and do not bet regularly, because the only get some information.

To say that you regularly and consistently make a lot of money, is obviously horse****. Now post two screenshots of your profit, the second screenshot highlight all text on the page with your cursor so we know you haven't mocked it up.

OH YES YOU ARE.

My last post was directed at nobend hiney.

Spankmaster, are you doubting anyone can make £15,000 to £20,000
per annum on here with a weekly starting bank of £1,200?

I know RHM personally and can corroborate his claims. I don't know why Wee Eck is turning it into a personal attack either (unless he's bored at work lol) but RHM answered the question honestly. Seriously, he's not boasting or BSing either.

lifetime apprenticeship

Spankmaster you are deluded. People who have information are the only ones who can make money?



Jesus wept, there is one born every day

misselephantstone, I am not doubting it is possible, theoretically, but I would like to know more about how you would go about doing that. Could you also post a screenshot of your P&L?

I am just saying, from working in the industry, I am sceptical of people who say they can earn a lot of money from gambling, unless they are connected or are vastly rich.

Isiris he gave me grief some time ago, he is now one of the very few

posters on here that I cannot abide.

Virgin,anyone who gambles seriously has to serve this
"When your finished learning your finished"

I'm not seeing any PICS, therefore IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

like this?
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Golf: -£39.00 | Horse Racing: £1,348.29 | Soccer: -£44.00  Total P&L:  £1,265.29

last 30 days.

That's a nice photo. Take a SCREENSHOT of your P&L last 3 months.

This should be fun.

misselephantstone

I see where you are coming from and going to ....  but if I'd realised it was a Relentless Apprenticeship I'd have gone on the dole and saved my ££££

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Golf: -£49.07 | Horse Racing: £3,021.92 | Rugby League: £7.79 | Rugby Union: £54.93 | Soccer: -£107.17  Total P&L:  £2,928.40

Horse Racing     Showing 1 - 20 of 1621 markets
Market     Start time     Settled date     Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Weth 7th Jun : 2m NHF     07-Jun-12 21:20     07-Jun-12 21:25     29.95
Horse Racing / Uttox 7th Jun : 2m NHF     07-Jun-12 21:10     07-Jun-12 21:15     6.39
Horse Racing / Sand 7th Jun : 1m2f Hcap     07-Jun-12 21:00     07-Jun-12 21:03     -20.00
Horse Racing / Weth 7th Jun : 2m6f Hcap Chs     07-Jun-12 20:50     07-Jun-12 20:56     -187.57
Horse Racing / Uttox 7th Jun : 2m4f Hcap Hrd     07-Jun-12 20:40     07-Jun-12 20:46     14.70
Horse Racing / Sand 7th Jun : 1m2f Mdn Stks     07-Jun-12 20:30     07-Jun-12 20:34     12.09
Horse Racing / Weth 7th Jun : 2m Mdn Hrd     07-Jun-12 20:15     07-Jun-12 20:20     12.28
Horse Racing / Uttox 7th Jun : 2m Hcap Hrd     07-Jun-12 20:05     07-Jun-12 20:10     67.46
Horse Racing / Tipp 7th Jun : 2m4f Beg Chs     07-Jun-12 19:50     07-Jun-12 19:57     36.73
Horse Racing / Sand 7th Jun : 1m Hcap     07-Jun-12 19:55     07-Jun-12 19:57     -10.00
Horse Racing / Weth 7th Jun : 2m6f Hcap Hrd     07-Jun-12 19:45     07-Jun-12 19:52     45.61
Horse Racing / Uttox 7th Jun : 3m2f Hcap Chs     07-Jun-12 19:35     07-Jun-12 19:43     84.81
Horse Racing / Sand 7th Jun : 7f Hcap     07-Jun-12 19:25     07-Jun-12 19:30     -58.72
Horse Racing / Weth 7th Jun : 3m1f Nov Chs     07-Jun-12 19:10     07-Jun-12 19:17     43.70
Horse Racing / Uttox 7th Jun : 2m4f Sell Hrd     07-Jun-12 19:00     07-Jun-12 19:05     17.09
Horse Racing / Tipp 7th Jun : 2m4f Hcap Hrd     07-Jun-12 18:45     07-Jun-12 18:57     24.17
Horse Racing / Sand 7th Jun : 5f Hcap     07-Jun-12 18:50     07-Jun-12 18:54     3.54
Horse Racing / Uttox 7th Jun : 3m Hcap Chs     07-Jun-12 18:25     07-Jun-12 18:32     47.85
Horse Racing / Sand 7th Jun : 5f Mdn Stks     07-Jun-12 18:15     07-Jun-12 18:17     3.59
Horse Racing / Weth 7th Jun : 2m6f Sell Hrd     07-Jun-12 18:05     07-Jun-12 18:11     -60.02
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misselephantstone

* you're 

misselephantstone, you are an exception to the rule, if your copy and paste P&L is to be believed. I would prefer to see an actual screenshot though in order to satisfy my scepticism.  May I ask how you make such profits from such small stakes if it is true?

May I ask how you make such profits from such small stakes if it is true?

LOL - And here we get to the crux of the issue. Please tell me how to make money.

Oh dear

Ask the colour of her knicks, spankmaster..


Why farkin ask if you don't believe ? It's a piece of píss to post p+l...

Far from it I assure you. I would rather die in a car accident than take betting advice of someone who needs egotistical reassurance from an online forum

RED HINEY, MISSELEPHANT:

Once again I enquire:

pics or it didn't happen

how do I do a screeshot,I,m just copying and pasting.
How do I do it?
I study form,reruns most days,I initially look for what I consider value and bet or lay appropriately,I use gruss software
and have set limits on each click,I use a "fill or kill" option
as I think I am okay at spotting during a race when a price maybe wrong for the individual set of circumstance at that precise moment(the fill or kill cancels my bet immediately if not matched rather than leave in the system)apart from that I dont know what to tell you.If you tell me how to do a screenshot I will.

someone who needs egotistical reassurance from an online forum

The OP asked a question. I answered along with everyone else.

If the people who reply saying they profit are liars or seeking reassurance then whats the point in the question ffs YSDC?! Surely the wuestion should be asked 'who is losing? because anyone who replies saying they are in profit is in a lose-lose situation clearly.

I always assume that people who claim to be losing are lying to gain sympathy and cyber huggles unless they post screenshots of their p+l hear.

I must admit I am surprised why anyone would think I would lie about earning £6.05 per hour but I am in the unenviable position of needing this to boost my other income as my other job has suffered a downturn due to the current climate and,like a lot of others,I overextended during the good times.

Spankmaster,

What do you think happens to all that money you lose? For every £1 lost someone has won 95p-£1. This is called an exchange.

Now dont you feel silly? When you are doing your conkers, it's being p!ssed down the urinal on fine wine and food by me.

Look, all my point is, is this:

If I was in profit by a couple of K, then I would want to back up my claims with proof, especially if people are questioning the validity of my claims. Now you are claiming over 20k in profit, and many people, myself included, will find that hard to believe, without proof. Why not back it up with a screenshot and then I will hold my hand up and apologise for not believing you.

Otherwise... http://goo.gl/ufvmg

The post did not say 'Who is losing/winning - please substantiate your claims'

spankmaster,forgive me I an old boy so if you tell me how to do it I will

misselephant you have to request the information from Betfair themselves because your account doesnt support more than 3 months data

misselephantstone I thought you were a girl

I actually believe you, and well done to you, but it's the red hiney monkey  that I feel should prove his 20K+ profits!

because my last 3 months p&l said it was 82 pages would it be better if you picked a page and I will copy and paste it.

Monkey, show us your last 3 months P&L...

I asked for my P / L earlier this morning, I still haven't received it so it may take time.

The question was not my last 3 months P&L (which incidentally is -£1115.)

Over the last 12 months I am +20k, as already stated. and over the last 48 months I am somewhere around the +40k mark

sorry, past 24 months is +40k

To those wondering about their P&L:

Simply go to 'My account'

Then 'Withdraw funds from betfair'

There you will see your net deposits (total deposited/withdrawn) ie. your P&L

I must admit that I have often considered with everything else going on where most of my profit comes from?I think it would be nice to know if the majority of my in run play is gained from people consolidating positions (traders,bookmakers etc)as I really cant believe sometimes there are punters actually offering the prices I see sometimes (esp in lay bets)as surely they wouldnt still be around, and is this pot going to change in the near future?This might not make a lot of sense but I know what im trying to say

Main
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Visa xxxx
United Kingdom
£35,591.64
£66,047.15
£-30,455.51

This card has been registered for about 2 years

The rest is in my Betfair account

Satisfied?

Seems legit.

Not everyone in this world is a liar, fantasist or reassurance seeking.

barc
4+-++++
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£551.00
£19,271.00
£-18,720.00

*high fives miss elephant*

had to reregister this card last year as my old account got hacked (lost £600)so had to open a new account.

By the way, my winnings are relatively modest for a professional punter.

There are punters on here reguarly earning 5 - 10 times what i earn.

Yep

Im glad I have a day job as personally I dont have the ability to perform well when I dont have a back up income,

And that speil about only 1.5% of betfair customers earn more than £15,000 I find quite difficult to believe,as I dont feel I have any great ability but I do spend vast amounts of time on study,so maybe that is the answer."the more I practice the luckier I get"

Would like to state also that, to anyone refusing to believe you can make money betting in-running using TV pictures, this profit is 100% from In-running betting using TV pictures at home (ATR & RUK)

Yes same here,well actually live video(when its working) and RUK.

But I think its important to state that, even tho I am using live pics, and I do know they are behind ,I am basing my bets on what my form study has led me to believe will happen rather than what I am actually seeing,tho if the race doesnt unfold the way I think then I dont bet.

Jun 8, 2012 -- 11:35AM, wee eck wrote:

King, that is a silly statement.

Overall I have won enough to buy a new car       
Anybody got any opinions on the relative merits of the Hyundai i10,the Ford Ka,and the Chevrolet Spark. Base models only.

What about the new shape Kia Picanto

Slightly too expensive. You can get the others for just under £7k.       

What you got to trade

Mitsubishi Colt 60 Reg. Might hold on to it another year tbh. THAT came out of my inheritance.

dont keep track

need a short memory when your a gambler

Yeah run it till it dies = value

7k down in 26 months

miss stone re your 13.22 post...........respect and congratulations , those figures are incredible

not really,cos my old account got hacked the funds that managed to get recovered got transferred by betfair into my new account ( £2,600 approx) so there was a starting bank already there.