It's a joke how you lot treat Black Caviar

LOL.....I did wonder at first edunce if you were just on a wind up but then every time you post I doubt that less and less and am now convinced that you really are as thick as sh1t and whilst I used to think it was I now genuinely feel for you and have you never head of the expression when you're in a hole then stop digging?

I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you a quite sensible and logical answer instead of indulging in jingoistic b0ll0cks like you tend to. If you can't answer a question then what makes more sense, to say that you can't or just to make up any old cr@p? Maybe you can't comprehend what is the sensible thing to do as English is only your second language after being fluent in utter b0ll0cks......how do the Aussie sprinters do at the Breeder's Cup by the way?

I'm at a loss here to decide which bits of total sh1t you have spouted that I should prioritise dealing with because it's spread so wide that if I attempt to cover all of it then the site would probably crash and cost Betfair millions. Let's start first with Foxwedge and Hay List and what I said:

If Haylist is rated 125 and Foxwedge 122 then should Foxwedge be beating Hay List by ¾L?

And now what you heard in your head between the voices telling you to collect your naval fluff in a jar.

you told me Foxwedge should be rated similarly to Hay List. Hay List beat Foxwedge with an 8kg disadvantage in our Newmarket Handicap, beaten 2L

Well apart from what I "asked" having little resemblance to what you have twice now claimed I actually said and am for the second time now having to slap you down again, it was a question anyway. Most people who make themselves look a total pr1ck learn from it the next time and don't repeat the same mistake but you just go trudging on head down and do it all over again.

You cherry pick one bit of form between the two horses with your 8kg reference but seemingly overlook the fact that they have raced against since, where Foxwedge reversed the form receiving only 7lb and yes I looked that up at the time because call me daft but that's what I tend to do when I either don't know or am not sure of something, rather than spout any old b0ll0cks and make a tw@t of myself. Yeah I now, call me old fashioned eh?

So now to your next piece of cr@p. I made a genuine mistake but you even fcuked up when pointing out my fcuk and it wasn't even Takeover Target that I thought had won a couple of Aussie horse of the year type awards it was actually Scenic Blast, but the finer detail you got wrong doesn't make much difference to the point you were trying to make there, just as it didn't make much difference to my main point but I'm not quite as desperate as you to have to cling on to as much as possible and yes I looked up Scenic Blasts stats, which I don't think is such a terrible thing as nobody can be expected to know or remember everything and especially from a country where I have openly admitted I don't know much about their racing. I do know that Scenic Blast came here and won once and was then 10th of 15 and with a 6L reversal with the horse it beat when it won.

Oh and just for good measure, Scenic Blast was Australian Champion Racehorse of the Year (2008-2009) which is a bit of a contradiction in itself if that spans 2 years and so maybe the title should be changed to Season rather than Year. In edunceland though 5 Aussie wins from at least 15 starts (the figure is higher with other beaten horses included) translates to you "spanking" our sprinters. You even had Irish, French, Spanish and South Africa horses finish in front of yours in some of those races too and yet claim yours are the best in the world!

I'm not particularly well educated, I just went to a school at a time when you didn't just get a geography pass for finding your way home form school or a human biology one for knowing your @rse from your elbow, but then thing you seem to have trouble understanding (no surprise there then) is that this is a public forum where everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have no problem with that, even if I disagree. So because of that I tend not to indulge in petty name calling unless I get it from others and although I have said this on numerous occasions, if you are going to start to try to claim the intellectual higher ground and start calling others idiots, stupid and morons then you had better make sure that you don't have a standard of English that funnily enough makes you look like an idiot, stupid and a moron. I don't have to put smegma down, he does a good enough job of that himself every time he posts. Fcuk me you know things have badly dumbed down when you have only a generally decent standard of written English yet are being elevated to "having spent 3 years at university as a literature graduate" when I've never even been to university, mainly due to it being at a time when you had to get more things right than wrong to pass an exam!

As for having opinions, they count for little against facts although I've given plenty anyway it's just that you seem to have trouble retaining them but at least one I have given has been that I fully expect Black Caviar to come here and win but you were probably too busy getting things I have said @rse about face in your desperation to point score that you didn't have enough space in your tiny little narrow, jingoistic mind to be able to store it.

As for you laughingly claiming I'm not in your grade, you are bang right there as I left that kind of grade at an age when I stopped pulling my pants down to my ankles to have a p1ss and as for not being able to debate with you, I would lose you and find you again on most subjects, I can assure you.

OK Megsy I just looked up atlantic jewel and she's won 4 out of 4.
won 2 races over a mile as a 3yo and then dropped back to win 2 over 6f and 7f as a 4yo.

I suppose in australia that 7f is middle distance because it's halfway between 6f and a mile.

I can understand why BC and her want to keep avoiding each other.

Jun 8, 2012 -- 11:35AM, ima_mazed66 wrote:

LOL.....I did wonder at first edunce if you were just on a wind up but then every time you post I doubt that less and less and am now convinced that you really are as thick as sh1t and whilst I used to think it was  I now genuinely feel  for you and have you never head of the expression when you're in a hole then stop digging?I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you a quite sensible and logical answer instead of indulging in jingoistic b0ll0cks like you tend to. If you can't answer a question then what makes more sense, to say that you can't or just to make up any old cr@p? Maybe you can't comprehend what is the sensible thing to do as English is only your second language after being fluent in utter b0ll0cks......how do the Aussie sprinters do at the Breeder's Cup by the way?I'm at a loss here to decide which bits of total sh1t you have spouted that I should prioritise dealing with because it's spread so wide that if I attempt to cover all of it then the site would probably crash and cost Betfair millions. Let's start first with Foxwedge and Hay List and what I said:If Haylist is rated 125 and Foxwedge 122 then should Foxwedge be beating Hay List by ¾L?And now what you heard in your head between the voices telling you to collect your naval fluff in a jar.you told me Foxwedge should be rated similarly to Hay List. Hay List beat Foxwedge with an 8kg disadvantage in our Newmarket Handicap, beaten 2LWell apart from what I "asked" having little resemblance to what you have twice now claimed I actually said and am for the second time now having to slap you down again, it was a question anyway. Most people who make themselves look a total pr1ck learn from it the next time and don't repeat the same mistake but you just go trudging on head down and do it all over again. You cherry pick one bit of form between the two horses with your 8kg reference but seemingly overlook the fact that they have raced against since, where Foxwedge reversed the form receiving only 7lb and yes I looked that up at the time because call me daft but that's what I tend to do when I either don't know or am not sure of something, rather than spout any old b0ll0cks and make a tw@t of myself. Yeah I now, call me old fashioned eh? So now to your next piece of cr@p. I made a genuine mistake but you even fcuked up when pointing out my fcuk and it wasn't even Takeover Target that I thought had won a couple of Aussie horse of the year type awards it was actually Scenic Blast, but the finer detail you got wrong doesn't make much difference to the point you were trying to make there, just as it didn't make much difference to my main point but I'm not quite as desperate as you to have to cling on to as much as possible and yes I looked up Scenic Blasts stats, which I don't think is such a terrible thing as nobody can be expected to know or remember everything and especially from a country where I have openly admitted I don't know much about their racing. I do know that Scenic Blast came here and won once and was then 10th of 15 and with a 6L reversal with the horse it beat when it won. Oh and just for good measure, Scenic Blast was Australian Champion Racehorse of the Year (2008-2009) which is a bit of a contradiction in itself if that spans 2 years and so maybe the title should be changed to Season rather than Year. In edunceland though 5 Aussie wins from at least 15 starts (the figure is higher with other beaten horses included) translates to you "spanking" our sprinters. You even had Irish, French, Spanish and South Africa horses finish in front of yours in some of those races too and yet claim yours are the best in the world! I'm not particularly well educated, I just went to a school at a time when you didn't just get a geography pass for finding your way home form school or a human biology one for knowing your @rse from your elbow, but then thing you seem to have trouble understanding (no surprise there then) is that this is a public forum where everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have no problem with that, even if I disagree. So because of that I tend not to indulge in petty name calling unless I get it from others and although I have said this on numerous occasions, if you are going to start to try to claim the intellectual higher ground and start calling others idiots, stupid and morons then you had better make sure that you don't have a standard of English that funnily enough makes you look like an idiot, stupid and a moron. I don't have to put smegma down, he does a good enough job of that himself every time he posts. Fcuk me you know things have badly dumbed down when you have only a generally decent standard of written English yet are being elevated to "having spent 3 years at university as a literature graduate" when I've never even been to university, mainly due to it being at a time when you had to get more things right than wrong to pass an exam!As for having opinions, they count for little against facts although I've given plenty anyway it's just that you seem to have trouble retaining them but at least one I have given has been that I fully expect Black Caviar to come here and win but you were probably too busy getting things I have said @rse about face in your desperation to point score that you didn't have enough space in your tiny little narrow, jingoistic mind to be able to store it.As for you laughingly claiming I'm not in your grade, you are bang right there as I left that kind of grade at an age when I stopped pulling my pants down to my ankles to have a p1ss and as for not being able to debate with you, I would lose you and find you again on most subjects, I can assure you.

blah blah blah blah

I notice you've stopped throwing useless information at me and aimed for a more personal attack

clearly I am the victor.

Edward:  for all we know this a poor era for sprinters both here and down under

Hay List isn't a poor sprinter, he's rated above the likes of Takeover Target (who won in just about every nation that is serious about horse racing), this is where I have the problem.. people completely disregard what she's beaten because they refuse to believe a horse can be this good and not be one of your own, it is without question a poor era for sprinters for you lot when Ortensia can travel to Dubai and win but don't pass it off as being weak for Australians

I can assure you it's not

The problem you have Mugsy is that nobody is that bothered about a sprinter.

It matters not whether it's Black Caviar,Ortensia or any of the other white bridled muck that Australia keep sending over.

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OK Megsy I just looked up atlantic jewel and she's won 4 out of 4.
won 2 races over a mile as a 3yo and then dropped back to win 2 over 6f and 7f as a 4yo.

I suppose in australia that 7f is middle distance because it's halfway between 6f and a mile.

I can understand why BC and her want to keep avoiding each other.

clearly you checked your information with racing post whom have it all wrong, she has won 4 from 4 all as a 3 yr old. i suggest you do a search and watch her wakeful stakes ( 10 furlongs )win by 7 lens in a canter eased to a walk over the line whilst still doing black caviar like sectionals.she ran a final 400 faster than the highest rated 3yr old sprinter in the world on the same day. Already talk about coolmore going to the breeders if frankel goes, they are that confident. pity she's a filly, the females dont get the same world ratings as males, just look at BC, highest rated of all time for a filly/mare

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ankles ...ffs get into your imamug suit

ankles ( topf) and the world aint interested in irish racing, totally fcuked, just look at your group 1's

Our Gr 1's are superb Mugsy.

At least they are not bloody handicaps.....

"clearly you checked your information with racing post whom have it all wrong, she has won 4 from 4 all as a 3 yr old."

you can see why they would make that mistake since she was a 3yo in oct 2011 and as all horses have their birthday on Jan 1st they assumed she was 4yo in apr 2012.

maybe that's why your horses are so good if they are running a 4yo as a 3yo.

These chip on the shoulder ,small penis syndrome Aussies are obsessed with this Caviar horse business. 

But then lets face it , it's the most exciting thing to happen in that backwater since Alf Stewart sold his Summer bay caravan park 

I used to like Black Caviar until I came across Edeuce and Messara.

Now I am on my way to Ascot to make sure that she does not win.

Moody better watch the feed because i have a funny feeling that Caviar might not be feeling too well on the day of the race

How many breeders cup sprints have the aussies won?

Some Australians just CANNOT get over the fact that they were sent to VAN DEMANS land as punishment for criminality, hence they feel they have to berate us at ANY and EVERY opportunity, I wonder if we are blamed for their horses as well?
A few years ago I asked on an Australian racing site, if there were VIDEO'S of past races which I could view, I was treated to
an attack by someone calling himself PINK JONES, but he was lambasting me for putting an apostrophe in VIDEO'S, blythely ignoring that a periodical printed in Australia was using the very same spelling as mine, several others jumped on the bandwagon
and joined in with gusto, eventually I was barred from posting, so I believe I had won that particular argument, and the AUSSIES had acted like the spoiled child who retreats into oblivion.

If what you see when people post is blah blah blah blah educeee then maybe that's why you have trouble retaining information and the wrongly attribute things to people that they haven't even said.

I haven't stopped throwing useless information at you because you can't actually stop something you haven't started but I've now realised no matter what I say, it get rendered as irrelevant by you if you either don't like the facts or can't retain them.

As for me supposedly aiming for a more personal attack then once again I can only assume your lack of retaining information has caused you to forget your own stance on that kind of thing and at the risk of sounding like a 7 year old in the school playground, I know for a fact that despite often not agreeing with people that I never do so by way of abuse or insults unless doing so in retaliation of those thrown at me.

You might or might not also have noticed that seeing as there was a lack of petty name calling in you previous post that I then did the same and that's how I do things and will treat people with either the respect or contempt that they treat me.......I'm not quite sure how that somehow makes you the victor though, but still.

On specific racing matters nobody is suggesting our sprinters are world beaters but once again you are isolating one piece of Ortensia form against our horses and treating that as the be all and end all and whilst in fairness that is the only bit or form where you can directly compare, I've said before that sprinters tend to take turns in beating each other and maybe in the Dubai race it was her turn. Sole Power was 2nd that day with Invincible Ash 7th yet off the same weights just over a week earlier at the same distance at the same course they were 1st and 2nd but with Invincible Ash coming out on top. There were other horses in the Dubai race that also finished behind Sole Power that had previously beaten him and if some of those behind Ortensia come out and beat her at Royal Ascot, then we will again have a similar situation with the past Aussie horses that have won one but been beaten in others.

so if Ortensia wins at Ascot, nothing you say will have merit on your "they take turns beating each other" claims and I will accept a hand-written apology, also I expect you to declare.. DECLARE, Australians are the superior sprinters

Jun 8, 2012 -- 11:21PM, bazzar wrote:

Some Australians just CANNOT get over the fact that they were sent to VAN DEMANS land as punishment for criminality, hence they feel they have to berate us at ANY and EVERY opportunity, I wonder if we are blamed for their horses as well?A few years ago I asked on an Australian racing site, if there were VIDEO'S of past races which I could view, I was treated to an attack by someone calling himself PINK JONES, but he was lambasting me for putting an apostrophe in VIDEO'S, blythely ignoring that a periodical printed in Australia was using the very same spelling as mine, several others jumped on the bandwagonand joined in with gusto, eventually I was barred from posting, so I believe I had won that particular argument, and the AUSSIES had acted like the spoiled child who retreats into oblivion.

you idiot, noone is be-rating you, the problem is you are be-rating us

I don't care for your history lesson, go write a book about it, some old nanny in a wooden cottage in the bottom of England might buy it

later this month the British will get to see what a high quality racehorse looks like.

then they will probably have to reassess Frankel

I can't understand this 'chip on the shoulder' attitude from our 'cousins' in Oz who seem to delight in attacking various posters on here who actually want to see BC win and will be backing her accordingly. Is it because they can continue the tirade of abuse when she does win, informing us 'we told you so' .. 'she's the best ever' ... 'better than Frankel' etc etc.

I'm looking forward to see her run (albeit on TV as i'm only there on Tuesday) and have no doubt she will win (and win easily) but not only because of a mediocre quality field. She's obviously high class and quite probably the best sprinter around today, although claims of best horse in the world are exaggerated.

Come on educeee, stop being silly now and taking everything literally. Even when they are beating each other and taking turns to win it doesn't have to be a set in stone pattern or one for you and one for me.

Choisir won two on the spin in 2003 and was then beaten in the third by Oasis dream despite that one finishing 3rd in Choisir's first win......oh and sorry to labour the  point but let's just say it had actually been 2002 or that Oasis was 2nd and not 3rd, it wouldn't make much difference to the general point I am making, which is why I highlighted you previously putting far too much emphasis on the finer detail rather than the specific point being made. Yet if Choisir had gone home after the second win then it would have been a different story, just as it will be if Ortensia wins at Ascot too, although she is in the King's Stand, Jubilee and July Cup but it also depends on which races she takes in and which rivals of ours she faces. From past experiences I'd give her a better chance at 5f than 6f though.

Takeover Target and Les Arcs from memory also beat each other about twice each and again don't pay to much attention to the numbers but more the point being made or I could go and look it up to be sure but then I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

The fact that Black Caviar is beating but then not being beaten by the same horses is one of the very things that makes her a stand out where they aren't taking turns with her to win, and the reason that kind of thing probably happens more in sprints is because that type or racing is basically point and go, with very few tactics when flat out all the way where hard luck stories like fluffing the start or not getting a run due to plenty always being bunched in contention for most of the race.

you're setting yourself up for embarrassment when the horse beaten 6L by Black Caviar when being eased down, wins at Royal Ascot after having won at Dubai

Australian sprinters are a class above, it's a proven fact, it's not a case of "he beat him and then he beat her and she beat him", it's a case of "travelled half way around the world in the season which they aren't use to being trained to run in and winning"

I anticipate a declaration, Ortensia is going very well in preparation for the race, she settled last and spanked them all at Dubai

and as all horses have their birthday on Jan 1st

Not in Oz

So why exactly would I be setting myself up for embarrassment when I've said on numerous occasions (and so have plenty of others on here) that our sprinters are nothing special and have even be labelled B graders on here by either you or your fellow countrymen? If anything you are the one setting yourself up for it as unless either of your horses wins by a street against our "B graders" then it is going to be a bit of a damp squib otherwise.

Which horses exactly did she "spank" in Dubai anyway? Sole Power, a horse that is 4 from 24 and on a losing run of 9 races now, his last win being a Gr2 in May 2011 and previous win to that was August 2010 at 100/1 when beating another supposedly ex-Aussie sprinting superstar Starspangledbanner. I've previously mentioned how the form with Sole Power, Invincible Ash and Prohibit has seen a different finishing order almost every time any has faced each other and all of that just goes to show you how erratic sprint form can be.

Oh and just by saying something is a proven fact doesn't actually make it the case, it needs a little bit more than that.

ex-Aussie sprinting superstar Starspangledbanner...PMSL

Wasnt even in the top 10, won one decent race in oz, nothing else...yet won your sprinter of the year,

still making a fool of yourself trying to be an  expert on australian racehorses

meant top 5

and i wouldnt brag about scenicblast, hasnt won since he stormed home and beat your donkeys in 2009.

Sole Power was beaten by Bated Breathe for the same margin in which Ortensia beat Sole Power by

I love how to affiliate Starspangledbanner to be Australian when it suits your argument, a majority of his big wins were in Europe.. you're digging the proverbial hole again

you*

LOL....mugsy thinking irony is something that you take with your vitamins tablets in the morning.

I think it's abundantly clear who is the one making a fool of himself.

Although you would think from the way they go on that all Aussie horses were superstars anyway.

And this from someone who goes from not in the top 10 to not in the top 5 within 4 minutes......and I'm the one who's supposed to be trying to be an expert on Aussie racing?

tell me how he was a superstar?? won a 3 yr old grp 1 at a mile and beat a barrier rogue by a short head in another who was flogged continually by black caviar.


superstar my asre


but good enough to win your sprinter of the year, ...ffs

Our last top class sprinter was Oasis Dream.And that was 9 yrs ago.

and before you get c@ck sure,when i said top 5 thats for 3 yr olds, not even top 10 open aged sprinters.

ffs....

trips...dime a dozen downunder, want one?

ffs megsy did you see Luckygray win at WA today?

carried 61kgs and smashed them.. can't they find a sprinter in the west ffs

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and as all horses have their birthday on Jan 1st

Not in Oz 


so australian horses have an advantage by taking on younger european horses at level weights.

didnt see it,watched the footy all day n night.saved me money


trips, oasis dream wasnt a bad sprinter, Choisir beat him and oasis returned the favour by a closer margin, but that was after Choisir has raced 3 times in 3 weeks all in group company during a time he should have been spelling .but imamug thinks different, his the expert on aussie racehorses

outpost,

you will find sepoy is a 3 yr old in australia, but will carry the wfa of a 4 yr old at ascot...its the other way around whose disadvantaged, just like star witness a 3 yr old  ran last year at ascot as a 4 yr old.

so australian horses have an advantage by taking on younger european horses at level weights

Quite the opposite i'd have thought

Erm, that would be the same Scenic Blast that was also 10th of 13 beaten 6¾L by Fleeting Spirit at 6f that had previously finished ¾L in front of the same horse when they were 1st and 2nd at 5f about 3 weeks earlier would it?

Keep picking those cherries musgy.

Ortensia actually beat Sole Power by about 1L more than Bated Breath did educeee but I won't quibble over the finer detail but either way, that must mean Ortensia and Bated Breath are relatively closely matched and so you would expect there not to be much in it at Ascot if they met. Although when Bated Breath beat Sole Power by a neck to ¼L it was only a Gr2 and Bated Breath has never won a Gr1 but has gone close with three Gr1 2nds.

Even though I get that you said I had affiliated Starspangledbanner to be Australian and I know what affiliated means, what I specifically said was ex-Aussie but even so, when the argument from Aussies (probably musgy) was being put forward on here that Aussie sprinters are the best in the world, Starspangledbanner's 2 wins from 5 starts here was used to support that..........well actually his 2 wins were but *surprisingly enough the 3 defeats were never mentioned.

Oh and 5 of his 7 winners were in Australia and it would have been 6 from 12 there but for one win being disqualified due to a banned substance found in a test sample, so the majority of the horse's wins weren't actually here and this time the finer detail is relevant to the point being made, so maybe someone had better fill that hole in again for me.

*That was irony too by the way mugsy.

I thought I had better point that out to you once again as even when you are told something was said ironically you still plough on head down regardless and further embarrass yourself.

megsy
tell me how he was a superstar?? won a 3 yr old grp 1 at a mile and beat a barrier rogue by a short head in another who was flogged continually by black caviar.

superstar my asre

but good enough to win your sprinter of the year, ...ffs

LOL...so the how good must your racing in general be if a sprinter can win a gr1 at a mile there?

And as for Starspangledbanner being our sprinter of the year, well that reinforces my point about how meaningless those kind of titles are (yet you put so much credibility to them when it suits) if the horse can lose more races than it wins here and still be considered sprinter of the year, despite being beaten by a 100/1 shot in one of races and 5th in another behind a 3YO filly that failed to stay the mile, a handicapper that had finished 23rd of 28 in its previous race and another horse that had previously retired to stud but was then brought back out to continue its racing career.

only started following after it won 12/12

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ex-Aussie sprinting [b]superstar Starspangledbanner.[/b]


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tell me how he was a superstar?? won a 3 yr old grp 1 at a mile and beat a barrier rogue by a short head in another who was flogged continually by black caviar.


superstar my asre


but good enough to win your sprinter of the year, ...ffs


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And as for Starspangledbanner being our sprinter of the year, well that reinforces my point about how meaningless those kind of titles are (yet you put so much credibility to them when it suits)


lets face it imamug66 you are an absolute joke you call a horse a australian superstar sprinter and when your told the horse wasnt in the top 10 sprinters, you throw back

LOL...[b]so the how good must your racing in general be if a sprinter can win a gr1 at a mile there?[/b]

you see how fcuking stupid you look with that post?
he was good enough to win your sprints being a miler as his best win in Australia was at the mile, you fcukin goose

and your remark >>>Oh and 5 of his 7 winners were in Australia

yes they were, all as a 3 yr old you fcuking goose

and you failed to mention that being a southern hempishpere racehorse he was still a 3 yr old who had to give weight to your seasoned sprinters, but good enough for an Australian miler to win your sprinter of the year…that’s fcuking embarrassing isn’t it

And as for Starspangledbanner being our sprinter of the year, well that reinforces my point about how meaningless those kind of titles are (yet you put so much credibility to them when it suits)

it's credible to us when a horse wins our sprinter of the year award because of the high quality sprinters we produce, to you lot it wouldn't take much for a horse to win that award

bazzar 08 Jun 12 23:21 
Some Australians just CANNOT get over the fact that they were sent to VAN DEMANS land as punishment for criminality, hence they feel they have to berate us at ANY and EVERY opportunity, I wonder if we are blamed for their horses as well?
A few years ago I asked on an Australian racing site, if there were VIDEO'S of past races which I could view, I was treated to
an attack by someone calling himself PINK JONES, but he was lambasting me for putting an apostrophe in VIDEO'S, blythely ignoring that a periodical printed in Australia was using the very same spelling as mine, several others jumped on the bandwagon
and joined in with gusto, eventually I was barred from posting, so I believe I had won that particular argument, and the AUSSIES had acted like the spoiled child who retreats into oblivion.




great post bazzar, tickled me on this miserable Sunday morning.

This is pretty fecking boring now - ed and megs (ed especially) you really are looking very very silly and childish and clearly have no self respect so please do carry on if you don't mind that. Ed - it is obvious that you have been wound up to the extent that you can't post sensibly on the subject and are now caught in a spiral of talking bullocks. 'I'm the winner nah nah nah' - good god man you must realise that looks pathetic to anybody over 10yo!
Please do start thread after thread when Bc wins as has been clearly stated many many many times most of us want to see her at her best and win by half the track. It doesn't stop us thinking there may be a **** and stating that - maybe even laying her for a place - you clearly haven't grasped this exchange betting malarky yet and i suggest you go on one of those courses that Betfair run over there - maybe save up for it after spending all your dole on your 'Getting Rid of the Inner Child' course!

ffs C hink

ima_mazed66
And as for Starspangledbanner being our sprinter of the year, well that reinforces my point about how meaningless those kind of titles are (yet you put so much credibility to them when it suits)

educeee
it's credible to us when a horse wins our sprinter of the year award because of the high quality sprinters we produce, to you lot it wouldn't take much for a horse to win that award

Once again it seems to be lost on you educeee that Starspangledbanner was beaten here more often than the horse won and the title he won was actually European Champion Sprinter, and it's not necessarily the title itself that doesn't have much credibility, it's what the horse did to win it that matters. So as I said, Starspangledbanner won 2, then was beaten in 3 made up of a 5th in a Gr2 at 6f, 2 Gr1 wins at 6f, a Gr1 2nd to a 100/1 shot at 5f and another 5th in a Gr1 at 6f, so failed to win here in his try at the minimum distance which is quite surprising being out of Choisir and bearing in mind almost all of the Aussies sprint wins here have been 5f, something like 4 at 5f and 1 at 6f.

Funnily enough the season Scenic Blast was Australian Champion Sprinter, in his two races here he beat Fleeting Spirit ¾L at 5f and was then beaten by the same horse 6¾L when 10th of 13 at 6f and so the Australian Champion Sprinter was beaten by 9 of our "B graders" including Fleeting Spirit being European Champion Sprinter that year, so you tell me which of the two awards has the most credibility?

Other season's Australian Champion Sprinters' records when racing here include:

Takeover Target - a short head win over Benbaun in a 5f Gr1 and then beaten 2¼L into 3rd in a 6f Gr1 off levels by a AW promoted handicapper.

Miss Andretti - 1¾L win in a 5f Gr1 and a 10½L 15th of 21 at 6f. So that season's European Champion Sprinter finished well clear of the Australian Champion Sprinter, as did 11 other UK "B graders" but not only that, so did the Aussie horses Takeover Target and Magnus!

There's not too much there to suggest Aussies have the best sprinters in the world but I think I can see what the problem is here though, the Aussie Champion Sprinter is awarded on what the horses do in Australia alone, so getting beaten my any number of overseas "B graders" doesn't affect the outcome in any way.

Jun 10, 2012 -- 12:58PM, spyker wrote:

This is pretty fecking boring now - ed and megs (ed especially) you really are looking very very silly and childish and clearly have no self respect so please do carry on if you don't mind that. Ed - it is obvious that you have been wound up to the extent that you can't post sensibly on the subject and are now caught in a spiral of talking bullocks. 'I'm the winner nah nah nah' - good god man you must realise that looks pathetic to anybody over 10yo!Please do start thread after thread when Bc wins as has been clearly stated many many many times most of us want to see her at her best and win by half the track. It doesn't stop us thinking there may be a **** and stating that - maybe even laying her for a place - you clearly haven't grasped this exchange betting malarky yet and i suggest you go on one of those courses that Betfair run over there - maybe save up for it after spending all your dole on your 'Getting Rid of the Inner Child' course!

just when ima_mazed66 was starting to talk sense, this deluded clown rolls in

i've simply been stating Australians produce the dominant sprinters in the world, have you got something you can put forward to deny me of having that opinion? perhaps you have a list of european sprinters to travel to Australia and more importantly, win in Australia. Have you got that list there for me?

perhaps there's an european bred sprinter dominating in another country, much like Rocket Man dominates Singapore, have you got that information ready to let out? anyway young one, be quiet. The adults are having a discussion, wait outside we will come get you when we are finished.

There's not too much there to suggest Aussies have the best sprinters in the world but I think I can see what the problem is here though, the Aussie Champion Sprinter is awarded on what the horses do in Australia alone, so getting beaten my any number of overseas "B graders" doesn't affect the outcome in any way.

that's the smartest thing you've said all thread, I could go through your list of awarded "sprinter of the year" horses and pick the life out of them and who they were beaten by and the like, the thing is.. if any horse went overseas and blatantly dominated to the point where you cannot possibly compare sprinters, they'd be winning the "international horse of the year award"

These horses awarded the label "sprinter of the year", can only be awarded this based on the achievements they've accomplished at home because I heard someone say Oasis Dream was top class.. well he won a July Cup and a Nunthorpe, is that all he won? he won 2 races of note and is regarded as top class.. with the exception of a few horses, every horse we send over to Europe has won a few major races of note at home and then gone to Ascot primarily and won there as well, most of the times they get invited to Ascot.. which really speaks volumes about the quality of our sprinters in itself

our sprinters in recent times have been dominant on there day, i've never said these horses who have gone to England have been bordering on immortality status, what I have been saying is we produce far too many quality sprinters to be not considered to be the #1 country in the world as far as horses go over the 5-7f distance range are concerned

and I know what your argument will be and i'll concede it already, our milers suck, our stayers suck

our sprinters are world class.

I don't do the hypocrisy thing and if I apply or say something about a horse or situation it applies across the board and I've said all along these awards are largely meaningless and even here, if horse A wins the Kings' Stand, Jubilee and July Cup but is then beaten out of sight in the Sprint Cup by horse B that it say either beat in a photo previously or was facing for the first time that season, then more than likely horse A would win the Sprinter of the Year award here.

A horse can be considered top class based on one run if the win was impressively enough and/or those in behind are highly rated too and Oasis Dream was at least able to have a tie in with Aussie form from being beaten and then beating Choisir but it would be hard to suggest he was the best sprinter in the world based on that alone.

Part of the problem I personally have with the Global Sprint Challenge is that the winner of the series can become so just by winning 1-2 of the 10 races when often they can also be beaten by plenty of other horses in it and in theory you can win it by never having won a race other than in your own country, which I believe was the case with Apache Cat. Add to that many of the 10 races are more easily accessible to those in Australia and the far east and whilst credit must still be given to the Aussie horses that come over here, the fact that around 6 of the races are in that side of the world is still significant and that points or however the series is decided can often be picked up unchallenged from any other country's horses in the Aussie legs other than say NZ ones but certainly not European and yes, you can say nothing there's nothing to stop them from going but they still don't and so can't gain any merit and the fact that the Aussie legs are so far apart in the calender doesn't help our horses either.

There might not be a European sprinter dominating in another country but there is an ex one in Krypton Factor though.

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There might not be a European sprinter dominating in another country but there is an ex one in Krypton Factor though.

how can you call  3 wins from last 13 starts dominating?


Part of the problem I personally have with the Global Sprint Challenge is that the winner of the series can become so just by winning 1-2 of the 10 races when often they can also be beaten by plenty of other horses in it and in theory you can win it by never having won a race other than in your own country, which I believe was the case with Apache Cat. Add to that many of the 10 races are more easily accessible to those in Australia and the far east and whilst credit must still be given to the Aussie horses that come over here, the fact that around 6 of the races are in that side of the world is still significant and that points or however the series is decided can often be picked up unchallenged from any other country's horses in the Aussie legs other than say NZ ones but certainly not European and yes, you can say nothing there's nothing to stop them from going but they still don't and so can't gain any merit and the fact that the Aussie legs are so far apart in the calender doesn't help our horses either.

firtly let me educate you further, Apache Cat raced in 2 countries and won on a points system.that didnt entitle him to the $1,000,000 bonus, you have to win in 3 countries.

further claim by you that its too far for your horses to contest and out of their racing season is utter crap, but i wont go down that path again with you. below are races easilt accessible by european sprinters just as its accessible for australian horses to fly to the UK and all these races are within your season, whereas black caviars autumn racing season should have finished in april.

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Dubai Golden Shaheen, Sponsored by Gulf News (G1)
Saturday, 31 March - Meydan

SINGAPORE
KrisFlyer International Sprint (G1)
Sunday 20 May - Kranji

UNITED KINGDOM
King’s Stand Stakes (G1)
Tuesday 19 June - Royal Ascot

Diamond Jubilee Stakes (G1)
Saturday 23 June - Royal Ascot

Darley July Cup (G1)
Saturday 14 July - Newmarket

JAPAN
Sprinters Stakes (G1)
Sunday 30 September - Nakayama

AUSTRALIA
Patinack Farm Classic (G1)
Saturday 10 November - Flemington

FFS will you dingoes give it a rest.........she runs..........she wins.........collect.

Go and buy a new fukcing barbie........double up and you can buy a Ken as well.hth

GT MOLE I WILL FINSIH YOU OFF

When Frankel wins and Engerland are sent home soon..........BC has her little stroll.................whats to worry about?

Your weather may be shyte but there are three silver linings in that cloud you pommy whinging bastards.

Hello megsy..........hope you are well my little funnel web?

you will find black caviar will run in the patinak in november and head to hong kong for the last leg of the global sprint challenge, naturally thats if she wins her 2nd leg in the UK to claim the 1,000,000 BONUS.

Hello Ed...........................how can you finish what you never started?

yes good point I suppose

morning G T...me and Ed  are attempting to educate imamug66 ( Mr Wikipedia ) on australian sprinters,

Ima is currently in Sweden consulting with Julian Massage concerning wikileaks next move on the assault of facts.He has so far managed to have deleted Kieron the Fellon,Ballinger Ridge and Mrs Julie Cecil from the archives.

Krypton Factor went good in Singapore beaten 6L by ATO

ATO must be some animal to have demolished the dubai champion by that margin

Mugsy please stop embarrassing yourself as even I'm cringing for you now and it gets even worse for me as I'm typing out the replies to your constant fcuk ups when you are so desperate to try to point score.

Fcuk up #1

I say:

There might not be a European sprinter dominating in another country but there is an ex one in Krypton Factor though.

You say:

how can you call 3 wins from last 13 starts dominating?

I say:

Er, because those 3 wins were all in the same country. The horse has run 10 times in that country (so 3 of your 13 are irrelevant to the specific point) and apart from winning the 3 which included the Gr1 Golden Shaheen worth just shy of £775k to the winner, in doing so beat Rocket Man, the horse always being lauded as top notch by the Aussies on here because it is Aussie bred and has 20 wins from 27 starts. Krypton Factor also beat horses from all over the world including America too. Of the remaining 7 of those 10 races Krypton Factor was 2nd 3 times and 3rd twice so I would have said 8 wins or places from 10 was pretty dominant.

Plus if you can win the Global Sprint Challenge series with 1 or 2 wins from 10 races like some Aussie horses have and then be considered the best in the world then which of the two scenarios is actually more dominate?

Fcuk up #2

I say:

(in relation to the Global Sprint Challenge)...in theory you can win it by never having won a race other than in your own country, which I believe was the case with Apache Cat

You say:

firtly let me educate you further, Apache Cat raced in 2 countries and won on a points system

I say:

In order to educate me unfortunately you have to tell me something that I didn't already know and I have bolded the key word in my statement above, but in your desperation for a bit of oneupmanship you seemingly overlooked that or struggled to retain that specific information in your eagerness to plough on, head down in order to type out your response as quickly as you could.

Let me know if you are still struggling and.....actually I do it here anyway, I knew full well Apache Cat ran 3rd at Sha Tin in HK but 3rd isn't winning now is it? Oh and I did have to look that up to check it when I was typing my previous message but then that's what I do, I check to confirm or find out first rather than just spout any old rubbish....oh and by the way, nice list of races above, I'm assuming that was all from memory considering you are always digging me out for looking up stuff. Wikipedia by any chance?

I've made this next point so many times that I'm even boring myself now as well as everyone else (except you apparently) but an Aussie horse can fly here and take in all 3 UK legs of the Global Sprint Series within about 3 weeks and then fly home again, so just the one flight here and back. That isn't the case for the UK horses for the Aussie legs now is it, what with the races being around March and November and would mean flying halfway around the world and back at least 2-3 times if also intending to take in some of the far eastern races or staying out there for months on end, which in that case the owner may just as well transfer the horse to an Aussie owner.....I know from memory I've made these points over and over again but you can almost set your watch until the next time you totally ignore them and bring up your flawed line of argument all over again.

Remind me again what happened with Starcraft when the horse raced in Europe 4 times from Royal Ascot in June until 4-5 months later in mid-late September for the QEll at Newmarket. Did connections fly the horse back and forth a couple of times or did they transfer it to Luca Cumani instead and leave it here? The specific finer details kind of gives the game away a bit there eh?

By the way, how comes none of you Aussies ever mention Star Witness coming over here? Could it be that the horse was 0 from 3 in his race by any chance?

educeee 
Krypton Factor went good in Singapore beaten 6L by ATO

ATO must be some animal to have demolished the dubai champion by that margin

We've been here before educeee and my answer will be the same as before:

The favourite Krypton Factor proved a serious disappointment as he failed to translate his Dubai Golden Shaheen form on Tapeta to the very different surface at Kranji. He kept on steadily but without anything resembling the kick that had taken him past Rocket Man at Meydan.

"I knew I was in trouble as soon as the gates opened" said his rider, Kieren Fallon. "In fact, I knew when it rained during the week. He just can't handle soft ground."

This most be the biggest and most exciting event in that little backwater's history .Feckin Aussies 




A feckin Horse ,and it hasn't even won yet  - even my 70 year old Aussie Aunty is on the case rattling on about this  ....does anything actually exciting happen over there apart from sheep rustling ?   

your a classic imamug66

knows jackshyt, gets it wrong all the time about australian  sprinters, thats why we call you Mr Wikipedia your knoweledge is embarrassing for you, what have you learnt?

when ever you are proved wrong you ignore it and throw a curve ball to direct of the subject pathetic actually

and point score??? never been about point scoring imamug66, its just showing what a fool you are pretending your an expert on australian horse racing...do remember that

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Remind me again what happened with Starcraft when the horse raced in Europe 4 times from Royal Ascot in June until 4-5 months later in mid-late September for the QEll at Newmarket

WTF has startcraft got to do with australian sprinters?

UNLUCKY 3RD, HELD UP AT HIS FIRST RACE IN THE UK OVER A MILE.

HE RAN  OVER 10 F NEXT START AND FAILED TO STAY
HIS NEXT 2 STARTS WERE OVER A MILE AND WON BOTH AT GROUP 1 LEVEL.
AND HIS LAST START THEY TRIED HIM AT 10F AND HE FAILED TO STAY AGAIN....SO WTF IS YOUR POINT?...HE BEAT YOUR MILERS  DIDNT HE.?

YOU MENTION STAR WITNESS...YES BEATEN 3 FROM 3, CERTAINTY BEATEN IN THE KINGS STAND AFTER MISSING THE START.
AGAIN YOUR LACK OF KNOWELEDGE, HE WAS A 3 YR OLD WHO RAN WITH THE WEIGHT OF YOUR 4 YR OLDS....FFS, YOU ARE A DEADSET NUTTER

WILLIAM HILL have made Bated Breath the 4-1 favourite in their Diamond Jubilee Stakes betting without red-hot fancy Black Caviar.

Bated Breath heads the market, although he could run in the King's Stand Stakes instead. French raider Moonlight Cloud is next at 9-2 with Hoof It 13-2.

Hills make Black Caviar 4-1 to win the Diamond Jubilee by five lengths or more and she is 9-4 to win the race by further than Frankel in the Queen Anne Stakes.


SUPRISING THE LATTER, FURTHER YOU RUN, THE MORE YOU SHOULD WIN BY

This really is hilarious - a whole nation seems to be getting it's knickers in a twist (some more than others) over a horse race and Bc prob won't even run if this fine English summer keeps up!
Megs and ed you really are a fine double act and are doing your country proud and don't look hypocryitcal and petty at all!

Jun 11, 2012 -- 12:50PM, spyker wrote:

This really is hilarious - a whole nation seems to be getting it's knickers in a twist (some more than others) over a horse race and Bc prob won't even run if this fine English summer keeps up! Megs and ed you really are a fine double act and are doing your country proud and don't look hypocryitcal and petty at all!

I thought we were good mates

I've got hypocrytical and petty mates mate! Seriously cobber - it is p!ssing it down, doesn't look like changing anytime soon and pretty much all ground is soft/heavy in the south already. Must be dodgy that she takes part at all imo.

Moody has said a wet track,as he calls it, will not stop her running.

If that's the case then fair do's. No excuses then.

megsy   
your a classic imamug66

knows jackshyt, gets it wrong all the time about australian  sprinters, thats why we call you Mr Wikipedia your knoweledge is embarrassing for you, what have you learnt?

when ever you are proved wrong you ignore it and throw a curve ball to direct of the subject pathetic actually

and point score??? never been about point scoring imamug66, its just showing what a fool you are pretending your an expert on australian horse racing...do remember that

LMAO....how many more times mugsy do you have to be told? It's still "you're" and not "your"....and you can't deny I've tried to help you be telling you to stop typing and embarrassing yourself.

LOL too @ "whenever you are proved" what exactly have I said that was wrong in my posts above? You are the one too stupid to know the difference between having won a race outside your own country and only having run a race outside your own country.

You have to laugh at being told "do remember that" by some who seems to struggle to remember which feet to put his shoes on and you obviously don't remember the 101 times I've told you that I've never claimed to be an expert on Aussie racing, which is why most of what I say when connected to Aussie horses is to do with what they have done here in the UK.....do you best to remember that eh?

And who's the "we" that call me "Mr Wikipedia" you and your imaginary friend?

megsy   
WTF has startcraft got to do with australian sprinters?

How many more times do you have to be told 2 - The Sequel.....you don't set the agenda on here mugsy and anyone can talk about what they like, but surely even someone with as limited intelligence as yourself can still work out what point was being made about Starcraft, in respects to the gap in races he ran in over here meaning he stayed for 4+ months and was transferred to a UK based, as opposed to in and out in a few weeks being the usual method for your other horses that came over and the point being made was the UK horses would......in fact I won't bother, even though I could just as easily cut and paste if from the last time I spoon fed it to you in little kiddie bite sized pieces, but were still out of your depth in trying to comprehend it and there's no point in flogging a dead horse as the saying goes, you're (thumbs up) a lost cause and so I give up on you.

By the way, would it have only have been a valid point if Starcraft was a sprinter then, you ****ing idiot!

Also don't assume a lack of knowledge on my part in that I didn't know what happened to Star Witness and you are totally wrong in what you say anyway as the horse jumped out with the rest and was then held back by the jockey, it then got outpaced at stages of the race and was also running with its head to the side and hang/lugging in, but so what if it was only a 3YO carrying a 4YO weight, didn't the trainer not know the rules here? The horse was born 28th Sept 2007 and raced in the King's Stand on 14 Jun 2011 and so was in its 4th year anyway and would have been alive for 4 completed years in a matter of about 10 weeks. The horse was born in 2007 the same year as all of the other 4YOs in the race and just because all horses become a year older on 1st January here, doesn't mean every horse was born on that day and is exactly 4 years old to the day. A late foal can be nearer 3½ when it officially turns 4 and surely your trainers know this at the time they enter the races.

All of that should be irrelevant though anyway, as your sprinters are supposedly the best in the world and racing against out "B graders" aren't they?

arguably the most overrated horse in recent times. She won't even beat Overdose, let alone Bated Breath. Look, the skippies down under think they have decent racing. Well, why was So You Think hyped as the coming superstar middle distance machine to win all our races? Did not work out very well, did it? As for sprinters and their "history" in the UK, we have had 10+ subpar years of sprinters coming through. Why dot yiu skippes win every Bredders Cup sprint then? Oh wait, because you dont dare to show up, that's it. The only marked the bookies should open is: What excuse will moody use when BC is beat? 8/11 ground  6/4 trip

Well ,i hope she wins as i have backed her at evens but if she loses it will be because the carrot juice has been left out of the fridge.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well I guess you're a genius then, win or lose.

I haven't seen your face looking so smug since I shot my load all over it.

more tea vicar?

I am indeed.She wins £££££££££££,she loses,Oz meltdown.

Ilike that suit black caviar struts about in, when does kathy freeman want it back?

Jun 11, 2012 -- 3:23PM, THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON wrote:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Well I guess you're a genius then, win or lose.I haven't seen your face looking so smug since I shot my load all over it.

TINS


T-T still spitting out first class tripe

Jun 11, 2012 -- 3:31PM, duffy wrote:

Ilike that suit black caviar struts about in, when does kathy freeman want it back?

both world champions. don't care what they wear when they're the best in the world at their respective sport

Jun 11, 2012 -- 2:56PM, doublesquiggle wrote:

arguably the most overrated horse in recent times. She won't even beat Overdose, let alone Bated Breath. Look, the skippies down under think they have decent racing. Well, why was So You Think hyped as the coming superstar middle distance machine to win all our races? Did not work out very well, did it? As for sprinters and their "history" in the UK, we have had 10+ subpar years of sprinters coming through. Why dot yiu skippes win every Bredders Cup sprint then? Oh wait, because you dont dare to show up, that's it. The only marked the bookies should open is: What excuse will moody use when BC is beat? 8/11 ground

beat your Arc winner Workforce fair and fookin square on 2 consecutive occasions, can't be that bad of a horse can it?

arguably the most overrated horse in recent times. She won't even beat Overdose, let alone Bated Breath

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWHDSEJRinE

The aussie behemoth fights off the pacemaker, then fights off the english pretender

Very surprised that the horse is called Black Caviar.
I doubt the Oz peasants know what it is.

Undoubtedly the only member of MENSA averaging a HUNDRED posts a day on a forum

And,your point is?

98 1/2 of them are about Frankel

99.9% of yours are bullsh1t

If you can't work it out, consider it an accolade

TT, an oblivious germ

TINS,a gay convict.

he stopped making threads on our forum TINS, couldn't handle the power of the reinforcements I suppose

Drew you all over here didn't i?

Hardly ever saw you before.PIED PIPER.

All following my tune you rats.

you seen me here, just not under this name

GLENTOBY WONT BE HAPPY WITH YOU, JUST WAIT UNTIL I TELL HIM

Willing bukkake receivers are worth following...even fat and balding ones

Fat and balding,you don't know me then.

Jun 11, 2012 -- 4:05PM, educeee wrote:

you seen me here, just not under this nameGLENTOBY WONT BE HAPPY WITH YOU, JUST WAIT UNTIL I TELL HIM

I am sh1tt1ng myself as we speak.

not denying the rest though, are you

Your mother must be so proud.

he does love the c0ck, no doubt about it

“If she arrives well and they are still offering 1-2 you should sell your house,” Messara told RacingUK.com. “She only needs to be 80 per cent to win here. I'm sure they won't give her a hard time, but from an Australian point of view, I'd love it if they got stuck into her and she won by half the track.

“Look, there is no chance she'll get beat if she arrives without problems. Zero. These guys over here are kidding themselves, it is almost a joke.”



bit much, he shouldnt be talking like this.

It's a joke how you lot treat Black Caviar

it's a joke how this stupid thread keeps on going just for the sake of some name calling.
just let it drop guys. you can start this nonsense again after the race.

How much are bookies taking at 1/2. Maybe a whole pound.