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Triple-Trigger
05 Jun 12 16:19
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A group of long-term unemployed jobseekers were bussed into London to work as unpaid stewards during the diamond jubilee celebrations and told to sleep under London Bridge before working on the river pageant.

Up to 30 jobseekers and another 50 people on apprentice wages were taken to London by coach from Bristol, Bath and Plymouth as part of the government's Work Programme.

Two jobseekers, who did not want to be identified in case they lost their benefits, said they had to camp under London Bridge the night before the pageant. They told the Guardian they had to change into security gear in public, had no access to toilets for 24 hours, and were taken to a swampy campsite outside London after working a 14-hour shift in the pouring rain on the banks of the Thames on Sunday.

One young worker said she was on duty between London Bridge and Tower Bridge during the £12m river spectacle of a 1,000-boat flotilla and members of the Royal family sail by . She said that the security firm Close Protection UK, which won a stewarding contract for the jubilee events, gave her a plastic see-through poncho and a high-visibility jacket for protection against the rain.

Close Protection UK confirmed that it was using up to 30 unpaid staff and 50 apprentices, who were paid £2.80 an hour, for the three-day event in London. A spokesman said the unpaid work was a trial for paid roles at the Olympics, which it had also won a contract to staff. Unpaid staff were expected to work two days out of the three-day holiday.

The firm said it had spent considerable resources on training and equipment that stewards could keep and that the experience was voluntary and did not affect jobseekers keeping their benefits.

The woman said that people were picked up at Bristol at 11pm on Saturday and arrived in London at 3am on Sunday. "We all got off the coach and we were stranded on the side of the road for 20 minutes until they came back and told us all to follow them," she said. "We followed them under London Bridge and that's where they told us to camp out for the night … It was raining and freezing."

A 30-year-old steward told the Guardian that the conditions under the bridge were "cold and wet and we were told to get our head down [to sleep]". He said that it was impossible to pitch a tent because of the concrete floor.

The woman said they were woken at 5.30am and supplied with boots, combat trousers and polo shirts. She said: "They had told the ladies we were getting ready in a minibus around the corner and I went to the minibus and they had failed to open it so it was locked. I waited around to find someone to unlock it, and all of the other girls were coming down trying to get ready and no one was bothering to come down to unlock [it], so some of us, including me, were getting undressed in public in the freezing cold and rain." The men are understood to have changed under the bridge.

The female steward said that after the royal pageant, the group travelled by tube to a campsite in Theydon Bois, Essex, where some had to pitch their tents in the dark.

She said: "London was supposed to be a nice experience, but they left us in the rain. They couldn't give a crap … No one is supposed to be treated like that, [working] for free. I don't want to be treated where I have to sleep under a bridge and wait for food." The male steward said: "It was the worst experience I've ever had. I've had many a job, and many a bad job, but this one was the worst."

Both stewards said they were originally told they would be paid. But when they got to the coach on Saturday night, they said, they were told that the work would be unpaid and that if they did not accept it they would not be considered for well-paid work at the Olympics.

Molly Prince, managing director of Close Protection UK, said in a statement: "We take the welfare of our staff and apprentices very seriously indeed.

"The staff travelling to the jubilee are completing their training and being assessed on the job for NVQ Level 2 in spectator safety after having completed all the knowledge requirements in the classroom and some previous work experience. It is essential that they are assessed in a live work environment in order to complete their chosen qualifications.

"The nature of festival and event work is such that we often travel sleeping on coaches through the night with an early morning pre-event start – it is the nature of the business … It's hard work and not for the faint-hearted.

"We had staff travel from several locations and some arrived earlier than others at the meeting point, which I believe was London Bridge, which was why some had to hang around. This is an unfortunate set of circumstances but not lack of care on the part of CPUK."

The company said it had spent up to £220 on sponsoring security training licences for each participant and that boots and combat trousers cost more than £100.

The charity Tomorrow's People, which set up the placements at Close Protection under the work programme, said it would review the situation, but stressed that unpaid work was valuable and made people more employable. Tomorrow's People is one of eight youth charities that were supported in the Guardian and Observer's Christmas appeal last year.

Abi Levitt, director of development services at the charity, said: "We have been unable to verify the accuracy of the situation with either the people on work experience or the business concerned.

"We will undertake a review of the situation as matter of urgency. Tomorrow's People believes strongly in the value of work experience in helping people to build the skills, confidence and CV they need to get and keep a job and we have an exemplary record going back nearly 30 years for our work with the long-term unemployed."
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Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 6:28 PM BST
I cant possibly comment on that watchit , im sure his basement is full off normal stuff that is kept by normal people

there is no way it could be housing swedish backpackers
Report wildmanfromborneo June 5, 2012 6:31 PM BST
Theres my No 8,curtail the legal profession,the biggest thieves of them all.
Report Brother Mouzone June 5, 2012 6:32 PM BST
I think most of us will have had to put someone in the basement at some point.
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 6:32 PM BST
New york was called im sure watchit but to no avail this time

He did say on another thread he liked something else , so i may have him wrong after all
Report Triple-Trigger June 5, 2012 6:33 PM BST
Your basement is full of nubile vampires brother,waiting to suck you dry.DevilDevil
Report Triple-Trigger June 5, 2012 6:34 PM BST
Off now,good evening friends and foes.Grin
Report Ramjam_Cheese June 5, 2012 6:34 PM BST
Euthenasia could be a starter (or ended if wanting to bump ones self off).

As for sterilisation, not for this - the license for children is the solution.
Report gambler no.1 June 5, 2012 6:41 PM BST
Ramjam - great fun but don't use all your best material on here, save some for the gig.
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 6:41 PM BST
He may be off to the basement to " water his flowers " watchit


He purchased a new shovel he was telling me the other day so maybe one of his flowers is getting planted outside tonite
Report Ramjam_Cheese June 5, 2012 6:51 PM BST
Please don't be horrible to me - I am not a CGI creation, I am a real human being with some great ideas and the will of a Roman god.
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 6:55 PM BST
Very tue watchit , there is certainley nothing strange about him in any way and his neighbours dont need to worry about a thing ,

And if they do hear banging and screaming of a nite its because his telly is too loud obviously
Report Brother Mouzone June 5, 2012 7:00 PM BST
Triple is big lad so the banging would just be him going up and down the stairs.
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 7:03 PM BST
Im told he is 7 ft and 18 st , it would be hard for the average person to escape his grip if indeed he did grip you

Not that im suggesting he would , more of a hypothetical muse
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 7:09 PM BST
GT has been sent a wire watchit , those high flying corporate types dont play games imo
Report richters June 5, 2012 8:31 PM BST
any decent thinking english person on this forum should be totally ashamed of the royal familys antics over this last few days not only have they tried to hijack one of the greatest horse racing events of the year but they have showed themselves up to be the greedy self obsessed outfit that they really are...i feel sorry for the ordinary  working class people that have to pay for this charade....
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 8:38 PM BST
Wasnt it nice to see so many people happy though richters
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 8:44 PM BST
Team triple Laugh
Report richters June 5, 2012 8:48 PM BST
they are not happy deep down hello...they are puttin a smiley face on it while they suffer the consequences of austerity while these greedy war mongers eat at a banquet until they feel the need to stop....it is disgraceful in this day and age......
Report LittleSuzieLays June 5, 2012 8:48 PM BST
The people that look happy are living in denial,they are too weak,they have not got the ability to say feck this for a game of soldiers and do something about it,I feel soory for people who are being had that would give their lives for those that are having them over,this makes me want to have a red wine
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 9:07 PM BST
Im sorry for folk who have problems i really do , ive been through most myself at one time or another but looking for blame and feeling sorry for yourself will do no good or sort anything

If your healthy be thankfull and happy , a lot are not , and even more are gone so its better to think about what you have rather than what you have not
Report LittleSuzieLays June 5, 2012 9:20 PM BST
hello :-) Nice words on your part and I fully understand what you mean,but and its a big but,Queenie and the rest of them have done nothing to make life better for any of us and our bad times and good times would have come with or without Queenie and the rest of the hangers on
Report richters June 5, 2012 9:26 PM BST
hello....i am sorry to tell u that i have no problems at present.....but i am merely stating the obvious.....and it is time people realised this......watchit and trigger are 2 of the most popular and intelligent posters on here and their thoughts should be respected.....
Report richters June 5, 2012 9:29 PM BST
and can i include little suzie aswell.....
Report wolfatthedoor June 5, 2012 9:32 PM BST
richters
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Report LittleSuzieLays June 5, 2012 9:32 PM BST
And then there were 4

Trigger

watchit

richters

LS

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Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 9:32 PM BST
I have a lot off respect for watchit richters , does this mean i must agree with his every word ?

Off course not , i have my own opinions richters

Unfortunatley trigger is a different story , however his lawyers are on high alert so i must remain silent for now
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 9:39 PM BST
Off course watchit , he doesnt seem unbalanced in the slightest and he comes across as sage like with his words of wisdom

One day we will read about max , im sure of that
Report LittleSuzieLays June 5, 2012 9:39 PM BST
hello :-) I am able to help you with any issues that you have with Trigger,do not fear a court case,I will speak to him once he has calmed down,the thing is Trigger is his own man like me and you yet I feel he will spare you the sword if I mention how thoughtful and caring you have been when I suffered great losses

On the other hand - Am I speaking out of turn here and you would rather battle it out with Trigger in a duel?
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 9:41 PM BST
Thank you suzie , i have already been warned off so to speak and i am in no position to fight a court room battle will the kind of legal team he has .
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 9:43 PM BST
Watchit , i recieved a PM an hour ago and folk that KNOW tell me he is in catering
Report Brother Mouzone June 5, 2012 9:44 PM BST
dinner lady?
Report richters June 5, 2012 9:45 PM BST
dinner lady....lol
Report LittleSuzieLays June 5, 2012 9:51 PM BST
Ok hello :-). That thingy on the end of your username is a right pain,I always have to copy and paste you so to speak

watchit,.If I did know Triggers business I would not ever ever mention it to anyone without his say so - Sincere I am, many things I am not
Report LittleSuzieLays June 5, 2012 9:55 PM BST
Please do give Trigger some breathing space before he returns to bite your heads off,trigger is of good blood and does not wish real harm on anyone

A spade is a spade with Trigger - A Lawyer is a LawyerLaugh
Report Eeeyore June 5, 2012 9:59 PM BST
f me sideways what a con
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 10:01 PM BST
trigger will not be back
Report hello :-) June 5, 2012 10:10 PM BST
One of his adversiarys watchit , he has had him by sattelite for some time now
Report Tucho June 6, 2012 2:27 AM BST
Really is unbelievable that taxpayers are happy for their money to be wasted on private sector security providers like this.

There was obviously a government budget (probably millions of pounds) to provide stewards for the event. Why could the government not just hire the own stewards directly? Get a few dozen people on JSA to do the security, and bung them a few quid for the work. It can't be that hard. Hire people from London and then you don't have to ship in Bristolians and there's no need for anybody to sleep under a bridge and get changed in the rain.

Why does it have to go through a third party? What do they do exactly that the government couldn't? It's money for old rope for the 'providers' involved. They haven't created any jobs (the event would have needed stewards regardless of the company's involvement), they haven't added any wealth to the nation, they have just ripped off taxpayers AND jobseekers alike.

Worse, there's flipping hundreds of these firms out there desperate to get their hands on your taxpayer money. Look up Emma Harrison and her company A4E currently being investigated for fraud. She took taxpayer money and 'invented' jobs that didn't exist. Got a bonus for every unemployed person she found work for, except they ended up working cleaning her offices!

It's a scandal, but nobody really cares because they are blinded by their hatred of the unemployed.
Report bf_fananatic June 6, 2012 10:48 AM BST
So the poorest folk in Britain the working class youth are shipped like cattle to look after the old firm , well that for me underlines what a bunch of no brain spineless people we have in government and I certainly will never vote for them on my life.....
Report bf_fananatic June 6, 2012 10:57 AM BST
If succesive Goverments werent busy sending our security forces abroad to fight useless, other countries wars whilst it openly lets Britian flood with imigrant workers taking our jobs to prop up its under-performing economy we wouldnt have to witness this sort of thing and it is beggers belief as to how the 2012 games are going to be handled in regards to security or is this goverment actively intent on creating rebelion within its youth to make it look like the good sherrif of no-gold town? makes you think doesnt itConfused
Report Eeeyore June 6, 2012 11:02 AM BST
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Report bf_fananatic June 6, 2012 11:36 AM BST
Eeeyore lets assume that waiting for your correctly formatted post is worthwhile and not a super anti-climax as per usual posters efforts myself not excludedWink
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:20 PM BST
A member of the Labour group on the London assembly has called on the London mayor, Boris Johnson, to give assurances that there will be no repeat of the "scandal" during the Olympic Games.

John Biggs has written to the Conservative mayor and the London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games (Locog) seeking assurances that all workers at the Olympics will be paid. Biggs also asked whether, in light of the revelations, the company was "suitable" to be given a contract for the Olympics.

"The fact that anybody, let alone unpaid workers, were forced to sleep under London bridge is truly scandalous," said Biggs. "To make it worse it appears that many of these people were essentially blackmailed into taking unpaid work, otherwise they wouldn't be able to work at the Olympics or would risk losing their benefits.

"How many of us would accept working unpaid, being forced to sleep outside and not given access to changing rooms or toilets? This incident is a sad indictment of the way our country is headed."

He added: "It is simply unacceptable in the 21st century for people to work unpaid and be forced to sleep outside. The company have tried to blame a logistical mistake, but the simple fact is they had a duty of care to their workers and they failed.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:25 PM BST
triple-tripe, what are you on about. ??? said on the radio they were all willing volonteers. !!! cant see what the problem is. !!
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:30 PM BST
Classy reply.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:34 PM BST
sorry i dont understand. ??? were they VOLONTEERS or not. ???  or dont you know.
Report hello :-) June 6, 2012 6:37 PM BST
he doesnt know tbf , been working on his basement all day
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:39 PM BST
fred west is good with basements.
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:41 PM BST
I could educate you fully,but i can't be bothered replying to people like you,who just insult.
Report Brother Mouzone June 6, 2012 6:43 PM BST
his kippers in sunflower oil are nice too
Report wolfatthedoor June 6, 2012 6:45 PM BST
bizarre story
presumably they were of eastern european origin
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:45 PM BST
answer the question..." were they there on a voluntary basis or not " !!!!!!!


   if the answer is yes this is a complete non story.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:48 PM BST
EXACTLY wolfatthedoor, this thing happens day in day out, cockle pickers, fruit and veg pickers, the list is endless....thats why

this is a complete NON-STORY.   HTH.
Report hello :-) June 6, 2012 6:49 PM BST
max you should get some volunteers to help with the basement
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:49 PM BST
Because they are ****s.
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:50 PM BST
Hello has an agenda to get me banned,i'm not falling for it.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:52 PM BST
hope he doesnt live in a flat.   HappyHappy
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:52 PM BST

Jun 6, 2012 -- 6:48PM, GLASGOWCALLING wrote:


EXACTLY wolfatthedoor, this thing happens day in day out, cockle pickers, fruit and veg pickers, the list is endless....thats why this is a complete NON-STORY.   HTH.


That makes it alright then,you moron.

Report hello :-) June 6, 2012 6:52 PM BST
No , not my game max

Tho you do a very good job of it yourself imo
Report Triple-Trigger June 6, 2012 6:54 PM BST
Liar.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 6:55 PM BST
no, it doesnt make it right...it just makes your thread a heap of re gurgitated, boring, old hat, shyte.
Report hello :-) June 6, 2012 6:58 PM BST
I agree glasgow

better be careful aswell as maxs legal team are primed and he seems to also be on the verge of a meltdown
Report hello :-) June 6, 2012 6:59 PM BST
Imo you dont want to make triple furious
Report Brother Mouzone June 6, 2012 7:00 PM BST
I hope the last few days haven't turned Triple into a geezer like Michael Douglas in Falling Down.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 7:03 PM BST
still no answer to the question triple by pass. ??
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 6, 2012 7:04 PM BST
were they all willing volunteers. ??? a simple yes or no will suffice.    HappyHappy
Report hello :-) June 6, 2012 7:06 PM BST
max has lost it , the cat is hiding under a chair while his telly hurls through the window
Report 1st time poster June 6, 2012 7:08 PM BST
volunteers or not the company in charge still has a duty of care and health and safety issues to satisfy, and if they,ve failed on any of these they should be stripped of any future contracts,thats simples, Wink
Report mac99 June 6, 2012 7:10 PM BST
Some were volunteers , all the more reason to treat them properly imo
Report FOYLESWAR June 6, 2012 7:14 PM BST
i heard they were volenteers with a view to getting a paid job at the olympics .i.e do this for fresh air and you might get a job at the olympics .
Report bf_fananatic June 6, 2012 7:15 PM BST
If you voluteer or not isnt the issue here, its the treatment of the workers and its clear all was not fair in this respect so its a clear case of treating workers as mugs, nothing new under the conservatives power of course....
Report Triple-Trigger June 9, 2012 12:13 AM BST
On Friday, I spoke to one of the 30 unpaid people at the heart of the controversy. This young woman had been made redundant early last year. Eventually, she was referred by her jobcentre adviser to Tomorrow's People, a charity administering the work programme, and persuaded to train for a qualification in security work. As part of her training, she had already worked for nothing, but only once: at a football match, "observing the crowd and making sure there were no issues", with six other people on the same scheme. When she and others were informed about the jubilee weekend, she said, they were at first told they would be paid around £400, "but at the last minute, they said, 'You're not getting anything – it's work experience'."

Sleeping under London bridge, she said, had been impossible: "It was too cold, it was raining, and there were way too many people." She thus started work at 9.30am, having had no sleep for upwards of 20 hours. She put on her work clothes "in public, in the cold". Breakfast – "piddly", she said – had not arrived until 9.15am. The first chance she had to use a toilet, she claimed, was at 2pm. She was supposed to stop work 12 hours after she started, "but me and some other people gave up, cos we were that cold and wet, at six o'clock." She was then told to take the tube to the end of the Central line, whereupon she called her mother and stepfather almost 150 miles away and asked them to come and get her. "I was that distraught. I had five layers on, and I was soaked through. I was having trouble breathing. After standing up for nine hours, I had a back spasm; I could barely walk. I'd just had enough."

"I'm signing on tomorrow," she said, "and I'm asking to be withdrawn from Tomorrow's People. I can't trust them. I don't want to be treated like dirt, working long hours for nothing.

"There's work experience, and there's slave labour. I wouldn't mind work experience for free if it was in good conditions and I was treated properly … not being asked to change in public and having no access to a toilet." (By way of a response, Tomorrow's People supplied the Guardian with a list of contact numbers for other work programme participants who had been taken to London on an unpaid basis; they proved to be either unavailable, or unwilling to talk).
Report Triple-Trigger June 9, 2012 12:16 AM BST
John Harris,Guardian.Plenty more of this if you want it Glasgow.
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 12:20 AM BST
Poor soul got a bit wet and had a long day in other words , which would have been okay for £400 i would imagine tho not for free

One day as a homeless person and they crack eh , no backbone
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 9, 2012 12:25 AM BST
stop reading that rag, hans christian anderson couldnt have wrote that better.

  " first told they were being paid £400, but at the last minute told they werent getting anything."...  LaughLaughLaugh

   UTTER CARP.

  btw, are you now in a position to give me an answer to my initial question asking if these people were willing volunteers.

  many thanks....GLASGOW.
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 12:28 AM BST
Because they didnt realise it involved work Laugh
Report hornetsman June 9, 2012 12:31 AM BST
Can't understand what people are complaining about .... you vote Tory thats what you get!

Everybody knew the Tories were going to privatise the NHS and the Police so why they are now complaining is strange. Putting these Public Services back together after the Tory Boys have smashed them up is going to cost the country billions! ................ and next on the agenda after the Police will be the Prison Service and then the Fire Service!
Report dewey June 9, 2012 12:32 AM BST
At least they did somethong useful.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 9, 2012 12:33 AM BST
" i had 5 layers on, i was having trouble breathing, i had a back spasm ".  LaughLaughLaughLaugh

you couldnt make it up...this john harris chap should take up comedy script writing.   LaughLaughLaugh
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 12:37 AM BST
Poor souls all had a bad day , welcome to life and feel free to join in Laugh
Report megsy June 9, 2012 12:41 AM BST
hello :-) are you tripples shadow???

maybe a better name for you would be mortien, your like a fly on a wall who shyts and flies to tripples next thread.


no life?????
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 12:43 AM BST
Define life megsy if you can
Report megsy June 9, 2012 12:48 AM BST
defining life ??

the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, and your shyt is dead move along.Wink
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 12:55 AM BST
I expected a weak atempt at humour to mask your ignorance megsy , or is it mugsy im not sure these days .

If it helps im sorry if posting on your "male friends" threads is causing you angst
Report megsy June 9, 2012 12:59 AM BST
another bozo clown studying to be a fcukin idiot...Crazy
go hang onto G T's hand missy
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 1:02 AM BST
Cant believe your seething already mate , thought you had a brain but ive been wrong before Laugh
Report megsy June 9, 2012 1:05 AM BST
is that the best you can think of, seethe?...FFS...go back to surfing the net missy.Wink

Report megsy June 9, 2012 1:06 AM BST
and stop hiding behind G T's apron string,missy WinkWink
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 1:07 AM BST
God what a retort im really annoyed with you now Laugh
Report megsy June 9, 2012 1:08 AM BST
fcukin sook
Report hello :-) June 9, 2012 1:09 AM BST
Swearing isnt clever mugsy , is your vocabulary limited mate
Report Sedric June 9, 2012 2:04 AM BST
"that unpaid work was valuable and made people more employable"

erm.. yeh you can have a job with me any day if you'll work for nothin.
Report megsy June 9, 2012 1:35 PM BST
do you have the work for the dole scheme?
Report Triple-Trigger June 9, 2012 1:39 PM BST
Hello megs,see you had a good old go at THE STALKER hello.Grin
Report Triple-Trigger June 9, 2012 1:41 PM BST

Jun 9, 2012 -- 12:31AM, hornetsman wrote:


Can't understand what people are complaining about .... you vote Tory thats what you get! Everybody knew the Tories were going to privatise the NHS and the Police so why they are now complaining is strange. Putting these Public Services back together after the Tory Boys have smashed them up is going to cost the country billions! ................ and next on the agenda after the Police will be the Prison Service and then the Fire Service!


Who are these foul pigs who voted Tory?You could walk down any high st in this country and be hard pushed to find anyone to admit to it.Same as when Thatcher was in power.

Report megsy June 9, 2012 1:43 PM BST
trips...morning mate, yeah, just call him mortein. like i said,  he is like a fly on a wall who shyts and flies to your next thread.Crazy
Report saddo June 9, 2012 1:55 PM BST
And don't get me started on the LONDON Olymics paid for by the whole of Britain. London gets a trough full of money which prompts a 5 year feeding frenzy for Coe and the like.
Report megsy June 9, 2012 1:58 PM BST
yep, pockets full of cash and gifts, its a total rort the olympics.
Report bf_fananatic June 9, 2012 1:59 PM BST
When the conservatives "social experimenting" has finished lets pray and hope we still have a United Kingdom that can survive itself....
Report saddo June 9, 2012 1:59 PM BST
It's great for those who run it, like politics, religion, football etc.
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