Welcome to Live View – Take the tour to learn more
Start Tour
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
24 May 12
17:02
Joined:
Date Joined:
14 May 12
tactical nous has gone.
seems horses need to get him out of trouble these days
seems horses need to get him out of trouble these days
Show More
terry norman not getting him the decent rides anymore 
age catches us all out eventually...he will still pull one out of the fire now and then and all the King Kieran stuff will come out....
Must agree I'm avoiding him like the plague. Riding like a ten year old.
Kieren must be regretting the split with Terry as much as the bird who got smashed with that McMuffin in McDonalds when the txt arrived.
Laura is not helping him as well as one would of thought.
never seen him ride for captain bailey as much as i have this season since he was 24 or 25 years of age.
never seen him ride for captain bailey as much as i have this season since he was 24 or 25 years of age.
On the other hand how good is Hayley Turner ? Taken it to a new level this year.
Fallon will still get winners but without doubt not the force of old.
Never as good as some people made out imop, certainly not in the same league as the really top jockeys down the years. Whenever any sportsman doesn't put what he's doing first he loses it immediately. Fallon hasn't put racing first in a long time.
Couldn´t believe the ride he gave Pintrada in the last at Haydock today. I know it was pulling hard early, but instead of getting him settled he let it pull its way to the front where it burned itself out.
MJK is right.....he was never any good in the first place......let nobody forget ballinger ridge.....and bosra sham in the eclipse.....
bobby I have no time for the man but to say he was never any good is silly just look at his record in the derby, brilliant jockey at keeping a horse balanced and ready for a burst of speed at the end of the race but for me he was never the same after his fall at ascot, I think in his fallons case it may have something to do with karma, so he can expect alot of sh!t coming his way.
Jockeys are only as good as the horses they get to ride ...at any age. HTH.
should have been a brilliant jockey at the very top for years,
but Fallon is Fallon, he is his own worst enemy.
but Fallon is Fallon, he is his own worst enemy.
Willie ryan....alan munro....michael hills....martin dwyer all won the derby....dont mean they were great jocks do it.....
^ just lucky to be on the best horse on the day and not mess it up.
races are races ...Derby no more 'difficult' to ride in or win than any 12f handicap.
There is no difference from the point of view of riding -the only difference is in the media hype and general coverage.
There is no difference from the point of view of riding -the only difference is in the media hype and general coverage.
trainers are using him now to get there horses handicapped simple.
vubiant,
I cannot believe you think 1m4f around epsom is the same as 1m4f on most other tracks.
I cannot believe you think 1m4f around epsom is the same as 1m4f on most other tracks.
valuebetting --It's not -but what's the issue ?
All jockeys who ride in the Derby will have ridden around Epsom before in either 10 or 12f races . It's not rocket science -you see where it goes up , where it goes down , where it goes around , where the camber is etc.
There are other tracks that are similar as well -e.g. Lingfield and Brighton . Normal professionals in any field get to know the variables that can influence performance -golfers and courses , tennis players and courts etc.
In any case ,the track factor affects the horses more than the jockeys.
All jockeys who ride in the Derby will have ridden around Epsom before in either 10 or 12f races . It's not rocket science -you see where it goes up , where it goes down , where it goes around , where the camber is etc.
There are other tracks that are similar as well -e.g. Lingfield and Brighton . Normal professionals in any field get to know the variables that can influence performance -golfers and courses , tennis players and courts etc.
In any case ,the track factor affects the horses more than the jockeys.
vubiant, my point was with bobby saying he was never any good and I was using fallons record at riding in the derby, a track where you have to keep your horse well balanced a thing alot of jocks cannot do half as good as fallon, I take your point about professionals in any field being good or getting better with experience but that does not seem the case with some of the jocks riding today,also take the point the track effects the horse more that the jock but if you have a jock who can't keep the balanced you are fooked. imo
p.s I am not a fallon lover
p.s I am not a fallon lover
At Epsom I think a horse either handles the undulations or it doesn´t. Connections only find out on the day - but the jockey makes about 1% difference imo.
Barzalona done one last year on his first ride in the Derby, plenty of horses have won from what some might describe as supposed impossible positons at Epsom, Erhaab, New Approach and Lammtara to name just 3 off the top of my head.
I'd say many winners of the Derby down the years didn't handle the track but their class carried them home.
Yet another racing myth doing the rounds (in a sport awash with myths taken as fact without any basis to prove these supposed facts?) that you have to handle the track at Epsom, no you don't!, you just have to be better than the rest and if you are than no matter what track your racing on you'll more often than not win.
I'd say many winners of the Derby down the years didn't handle the track but their class carried them home.
Yet another racing myth doing the rounds (in a sport awash with myths taken as fact without any basis to prove these supposed facts?) that you have to handle the track at Epsom, no you don't!, you just have to be better than the rest and if you are than no matter what track your racing on you'll more often than not win.
My opinion and theory here is based soley on what I've seen. I attend the Derby every year and I was a follower and fan of KF for many years.
From that, it seems to me that KF relies largely on an explosive, fast finish. If/when the horse cannot or doe not respond as he wants, then it's end of story; failure, out like a light etc.
Sometimes, as at Chester this year, KF does attempt to push on and make all, but, personally, I take that as a negative and viryually chuck my ticket away, when I see that.
I know nothing about racing cars, but I guess for the top drivers, the car either responds when they want it to, or not. It looks to me as if KF follows this idea. He may have picked it up in America.
Certainly, once he crosses the line he seems to switch off and brake immediately - even on winners.
Getting back to the Derby, several of the bigger -priced winners have finished with a surprising ( to me) zoom.
Last year's and Sir Percy, to name but two. That's the bit that counts, imo.
From that, it seems to me that KF relies largely on an explosive, fast finish. If/when the horse cannot or doe not respond as he wants, then it's end of story; failure, out like a light etc.
Sometimes, as at Chester this year, KF does attempt to push on and make all, but, personally, I take that as a negative and viryually chuck my ticket away, when I see that.
I know nothing about racing cars, but I guess for the top drivers, the car either responds when they want it to, or not. It looks to me as if KF follows this idea. He may have picked it up in America.
Certainly, once he crosses the line he seems to switch off and brake immediately - even on winners.
Getting back to the Derby, several of the bigger -priced winners have finished with a surprising ( to me) zoom.
Last year's and Sir Percy, to name but two. That's the bit that counts, imo.
bobbybocala
MJK is right.....he was never any good in the first place......let nobody forget ballinger ridge.....and bosra sham in the eclipse.....
LOL....yeah lets focus on 2 poor rides 7 years apart and ignore the 6 jockey championships, the 5 x 200 winners in a season, 3 x Derby wins, 4 x Oaks wins, 4 x 2000gns wins, 4 x 1000gns wins plus numerous multiple other UK top winning races like the Coronation Cup, Eclipse and King George as well as multiple worldwide top class races like the Irish Derby/Oaks/Leger/Champion Stakes, Arcs, Arlington Million, multiple Breeders' Cup races, HK Vase, Italian Oaks, Dubai Sheema Classic....even I'm getting bored with listing them all and that's after leaving out numerous Group level other wins too, although while we're at it why don't we just sum up Frankie Dettori's career by the fact he dropped his hands and lost 3rd in last year's Oaks!
MJK is right.....he was never any good in the first place......let nobody forget ballinger ridge.....and bosra sham in the eclipse.....
LOL....yeah lets focus on 2 poor rides 7 years apart and ignore the 6 jockey championships, the 5 x 200 winners in a season, 3 x Derby wins, 4 x Oaks wins, 4 x 2000gns wins, 4 x 1000gns wins plus numerous multiple other UK top winning races like the Coronation Cup, Eclipse and King George as well as multiple worldwide top class races like the Irish Derby/Oaks/Leger/Champion Stakes, Arcs, Arlington Million, multiple Breeders' Cup races, HK Vase, Italian Oaks, Dubai Sheema Classic....even I'm getting bored with listing them all and that's after leaving out numerous Group level other wins too, although while we're at it why don't we just sum up Frankie Dettori's career by the fact he dropped his hands and lost 3rd in last year's Oaks!
well said ima_mazed66.
Fallon is in the twilight of his career but let's not forget his brilliance.
Fallon is in the twilight of his career but let's not forget his brilliance.
I suppose ima a good horse never won any of those races you mentioned, the jockey and trainer are afforded all the plaudits unless of course you're a freak like Frankel?.
Ima likes to avoid FACTS.........FACT........likes the written word........written by others..........hates FACTS written on here by some that know better.
FACT Ima or are you going to deny all?
FACT Ima or are you going to deny all?
Dont think KF is finished by any means,right ammunition big occasion KF will/can get the job done,its the day to day dross thats he cant handle,thats unprofessional and thats why although a excellent jockey its his unprofessionalism that will do for him in the end.
How can he get himself motivated for some nonsense race at Folkestone or Beverley for example when he has had the glory days? I would never be put off backing him on a mount but it's hard to make an argument that he wasn't the force he once was.
anyone who doesn't think he was a brilliant jockey clearly wasn't around when he was. The guy lifted them home in his hey day. Only as good as yesterday on here though.
Of course good horses won those races silvergreaser but good horses won them for every other jockey too who has won those same races, plus there were plenty of other good horses and jockeys behind Fallon when he was winning them and you can still be sure that some were good tactical rides or others that he won in close finish but the main point is you don't hear people calling Lester Piggott, Steve Cauthen or Pat Eddery average and never any good when they were winning some of those same races, do you?
That's also ignoring the fact that to even get on the quality of horses just to be riding in those kind of races or to have had the stable jockey jobs that he has, you have to have shown something ability wise and there are plenty of others jockeys out there who have not only not ridden as many Gr1 winners as Fallon all over the world but plenty more who aren't even deemed good enough to even ride in them let alone win any.
Derby winners and other glory days in any jockeys career are a very small part of it numbers wise and the likes of Folkstone and Beverley is the bread and butter stuff for all of them and that include Dettori, Hughes and Moore and in past season even more so for the likes of Hanagan and let's not forget Fallon still won a classic last season and went very close with a couple of 2nds too and only a few weeks ago was winning a $2million Gr1 race at Meydan and was set to ride one of the favourites in the 2000gns this season..
Let's face it though and I keep saying this but some people seem to have trouble giving credit where it's due if they don't like somebody and as I also keep saying, with many of the things posted about Fallon on here people have an agenda and any other jockey and it's not even an issue.
That's also ignoring the fact that to even get on the quality of horses just to be riding in those kind of races or to have had the stable jockey jobs that he has, you have to have shown something ability wise and there are plenty of others jockeys out there who have not only not ridden as many Gr1 winners as Fallon all over the world but plenty more who aren't even deemed good enough to even ride in them let alone win any.
Derby winners and other glory days in any jockeys career are a very small part of it numbers wise and the likes of Folkstone and Beverley is the bread and butter stuff for all of them and that include Dettori, Hughes and Moore and in past season even more so for the likes of Hanagan and let's not forget Fallon still won a classic last season and went very close with a couple of 2nds too and only a few weeks ago was winning a $2million Gr1 race at Meydan and was set to ride one of the favourites in the 2000gns this season..
Let's face it though and I keep saying this but some people seem to have trouble giving credit where it's due if they don't like somebody and as I also keep saying, with many of the things posted about Fallon on here people have an agenda and any other jockey and it's not even an issue.
Fallon was one of the best everregardless of what he may or mayhave not done!!
regardless of what he may or mayhave not done!!
What's that word again that is so often use on this forum? Oh yeah that's right, seething.
Slippy Blue
25 May 12 23:58
Joined:
09 Apr 04
| Topic/replies: 13,337 | Blogger: Slippy Blue's blog
How can he get himself motivated for some nonsense race at Folkestone or Beverley for example when he has had the glory days?
what cos he's paid to do a job that's why for the owners and trainers. if he can't motivate himself as you say well then he should just do one or get sacked like us mere mortals would be if we wern'e motivated for work !
25 May 12 23:58
Joined:
09 Apr 04
| Topic/replies: 13,337 | Blogger: Slippy Blue's blog
How can he get himself motivated for some nonsense race at Folkestone or Beverley for example when he has had the glory days?
what cos he's paid to do a job that's why for the owners and trainers. if he can't motivate himself as you say well then he should just do one or get sacked like us mere mortals would be if we wern'e motivated for work !
Jockeys like all other sportsmen have their day, Frankies in the same boat and while he still gets a lot of what should be quality rides his efforts are quite pathetic in many races.
Fallon was one of the true greats but does not get the quality of horse so much these days.
Great horses make great jockeys.
Fallon was one of the true greats but does not get the quality of horse so much these days.
Great horses make great jockeys.
Most jockeys go on too long, as their reputations fade more slowly than their abilities with age, so they still get on the better horses, which masks their decline.
Seriously, what other top-level sport has so many leading players well past their mid-30s? Fallon is 48 years old.
Even snooker, now standards have risen so far since the 1970s, is a young man's game.
Seriously, what other top-level sport has so many leading players well past their mid-30s? Fallon is 48 years old.
Even snooker, now standards have risen so far since the 1970s, is a young man's game.
Ramruma • April 28, 2013 10:02 AM BST
Most jockeys go on too long, as their reputations fade more slowly than their abilities with age, so they still get on the better horses, which masks their decline.
Seriously, what other top-level sport has so many leading players well past their mid-30s? Fallon is 48 years old.
Even snooker, now standards have risen so far since the 1970s, is a young man's game.
very valid point
Most jockeys go on too long, as their reputations fade more slowly than their abilities with age, so they still get on the better horses, which masks their decline.
Seriously, what other top-level sport has so many leading players well past their mid-30s? Fallon is 48 years old.
Even snooker, now standards have risen so far since the 1970s, is a young man's game.
very valid point
early days yet, may will do better,more class races,any jockey is only as good as the horse he is riding.listed above,buick 0,r moore 0hanagan 0,FALLON0,hughes,2 g3.8/11,8/11.
,kieren,wins to rides,in all classics,in top 5 all time list.
,kieren,wins to rides,in all classics,in top 5 all time list.
2nd to olympic glory and 3rd to van de meer, me granny would have won on that, all you needed to know was if it was fit and trying, as I said do not back him on favs
2013-04-30
15:14 26802374581 2013-04-30
15:03 GB Yarm 30th Apr / 15:10 To Be Placed / Dark Emerald
Back 6.60 20.00 Won 112.00
2013-04-30
15:14 26802374581 2013-04-30
15:03 GB Yarm 30th Apr / 15:10 To Be Placed / Dark Emerald
Back 6.60 20.00 Won 112.00
All you pocket talkers pipe down. Fallon is still one of the best, once he hits the front you'll never get passed
mccarthy if you think fallon is unpassable GOD HELP YA. 
how many times have you seen fallon get to the front and not get passed? he aint gonna win every race
Post Your Reply
Please login to post a reply.
Wonder
Instance ID: 13539