How did Frankel post 136 rating yesterday?

Frankel will be higher than 136 at season end ....... and thoroughly deserves all the media hype thrust upon him.

does the OP really think that ratings start from scratch in the 4YO year

Well said everyone below.

Who care about ratings just enjoy him running

138 rated now? You have to be **** me!!

All I saw was him beating a grp 3 winner and a bunch of pacemakers.

Denapup.............it is why you are skint.

HTH.........if you want to win money.........ffs...........you never will like Maxypup.............................................fukcing loser.

not sure he will run in those races. i reckon they might just run him in the champion stakes on his last ever start, backend g1, usually an after  thought for a lot of horses. i hope im wrong.

Just a hype horse, its races and results don't stand up to scrutiny. Times/race distance/quality of horse nothing stacks up to warrant it's rating.

visually a great performance but he only beat a donkey in dubawi gold 6L in the end.

yes but the horses behind ran just like frankel, their fractions were also all wrong. if there was actually anyting decent in behind him that just ran their OWN race instead of chasing after frankel after 2f then they wouldve got much much closer. dubawi gold was one of the few that just ran his race without trying to pick frankel up, its only because hes a very average horse that he couldnt get closer.

139

i agree with denathorn, Zoffany and Dubawi Gold, not exactly world beaters. cheers.

It's not just that Frankel is beating his opposition, it's that he's usually pulverising them and his guineas win may just as well have been a solo trial for all the difference the opposition made.

As for "only" winning that race by 6L, anyone would think that was a regular occurrence and winning any flat race by 6L is fairly rare but to win a mile race by 6L is even more rare and to win a Gr1 or a classic by that distance is yet even more rare again, although before anyone mentions Homecoming Queen or any other of the few exceptions to the rule, rarely doesn't mean never.

Forget the rating & just enjoy...Guineas from not great, but destroyed that field mid race...beat Dubawi Gold, but they were strung out like washing..hard to crab the horse, despite what it has beat.

This is my point entirely sooty. How can Frankel have achieved the 139 rating when all he is beating is second rate horses rated well below grp 1 standard and racing the same bloody distance. A one trick pony 1 mile specialist should never be compared in the same breath as a multiple classic, grp1 winner over 1 mile and 12 furlongs. It is insane.

Here is a start.
IT'S quite a responsibility assessing a performance that might be the best seen on a racetrack anywhere in the world for 25 years, confesses Dominic Gardiner-Hill.

The internationalisation of racing has led to all the major racing nations (bar South America for the moment) being represented on the World Rankings Committee, so you have to be pretty damn sure you have seen something very special before making such a bold decision.

After hours of thought and several viewings of Saturday's JLT Lockinge Stakes at Newbury I'm as confident as I can be that Frankel fully deserves his new mark of 138 - a rating that places himabove such modern greats as Peintre Celebre and Generous (137 in 1991 and 1997 respectively), Sea The Stars (136 in 2009) and a heap of horses on 135, including Harbinger (2010), Montjeu and Daylami (both 1999).

In fact, since 1985, only Dancing Brave's 141 in the Arc of 1986 betters his figure and it has been openly stated that the level of the World Thoroughbred Rankings (or International Classifications as they were previously known) have dropped a few pounds since those days.

My rationale is clear. Last year Frankel beat Excelebration three times, twice by four lengths (in the Greenham and in the QEII) and yet on Saturday he had extended that superiority to five lengths. In last year's 2,000 Guineas Frankel beat Dubawi Gold by six lengths and in the QEII Richard Hannon's colt was a respectful seven and three-quarter lengths behind in fourth - on Saturday he was beaten a total of nine lengths into third.

A beating of either of those on their own could have left the Lockinge form open to question, but the fact is that there was three and three quarter lengths between Excelebration and Dubawi Gold at Ascot and four lengths between them at Newbury - suggesting they hadreplicated their form to the pound. Both were race fit and yet Frankel extended his advantage over them - to my mind that suggests this was his best ever performance and that has to be reflected in his rating. Hence 138!

The Wworld Rankings Committee has been criticised in the past for possibly overreacting to "one off" performances. There is no danger of that in the case of Frankel - his career record is now ten from ten, he has posted four 130+ performances to date (with the promise of more to come) and has won his Group 1 races by six lengths, three-quarters of a length, five lengths, four lengths and now five lengths.

The truth is that we don't really know how good this fellow is (and the same goes for Australian superstar Black Caviar) and it may well be that only the lack of world class opposition will stop him from breaking the 140 barrier - as such I feel we should take advantage of a fully justifiable form line that allows us to give him as much credit as possible.

One last aspect of Saturday's race that I feel is worth a mention. The plaudits rightly went the way of Messers Cecil and Queally, but spare a thought and applaud the part Ian Mongan played aboard pacemaker Bullet Train. Little went right last season in his efforts to help his illustrious stable companion, but he got it spot on at Newbury and Frankel got the lead he was seeking for much of last season - I believe this was a vital factor in Frankel putting up the performance he did. Conversely, quite what part Coolmore's pacemaker Windsor Palace was supposed to play in the contest I'm still trying to work out.

sorry 136, its in the title

Excelebration beat Rio De La Plata by a couple of lengths, not a short head as people on here seem to think.At a track/distance where wide margin wins are rare. It was fairly comfortable by my recollection. Still probably the weakest run of Excelebration's career since his debut. Why should he be rated on a literal reading of his weakest form?

if people looking to downgrade Frankel are going to use the literal interpretation of wining margins then they need to do the same for Sea The Stars , or else explain why it doesn't count in that case.