RULE 4 HELP

they are

cause they backfit the price to suit

10/1 to 14/1 - 5p

So Delta are you saying the horse that was withdrawn was under 10/1 at the time i placed my bet therefore it is 10p deduction?

they will say it was with them at the time of withdrawal...

Tattersalls Rule 4(c)

You may have heard about Rule 4 c deductions. What are they?


1/9 or shorter - 90p

2/11 to 2/17 - 85p

1/4 to 1/5 - 80p

3/10 to 2/7 75%

2/5 to 1/3 - 70p

8/15 to 4/9 - 65p

8/13 to 4/7 - 60p

4/5 to 4/6 - 55p

20/21 to 5/6 - 50p

Evens to 6/5 - 45p

5/4 to 6/4 - 40p

13/8 to 7/4 - 35p

15/8 to 9/4 - 30p

5/2 to 3/1 - 25p

10/3 to 4/1 - 20p

9/2 to 11/2 - 15p

6/1 to 9/1 - 10p

10/1 to 14/1 - 5p

over 14/1 No deduction

10p in the pound for a 12/1 chance and they are turning you over, disgraceful behaviour.

23 Apr 2012 15:42    24/25     Windsor 17:25 - Outright Betting     Threes Grand         e/w Single     8/1     50.00     266.00     Won     Won
23 Apr 2012 15:41    23/24     Windsor 17:25 - Outright Betting     Threes Grand         e/w Single     8/1     150.00     798.00     Won     Won

this has cropped up on many occasions & unless it's a genuine error the only explanation is.........


Company software can differ from applying an amendment when a horse is withdrawn as opposed to applying when the bet was placed.
The withdrawn horse on the shows went 17/2-9/1-10/1-11/1-12/1

Don't know when your bet was placed but my guess is it was when the withdrawn horse was showing 17/2 or 9/1 or earlier in the day when it was showing under 10/1 in their EP book , not saying it's correct or not but the variation from company to company does exist & it'll work for you when the horse retracts in price and against you when the horse drifts , as is the case in question.

Well done on the winner anyway   

Thanks for that Hayden, i placed my bets at 3.41 and 3.42 so that will explain it! Ill still have another bash at em in the morning as they told me there horse traders arent in now!

Look at it from the reverse angle mailroad...

You could have the same bet tomorrow but the withdrawn horse shrinks from 12/1 ( when you place your bet ) in to 9/1 which at SP applies to all bets..

In that example the general R4 would be 10p but you'd only be liable for 5p as it was 12/1 when your bet was placed.


Good luck with them tomorrow 

Two options:

If you're ahead with them, accept it, kicking up a fuss will just draw attention to yourself and the account will be closed sooner.

If you're down, they will want to keep you. Suggest they check the official result: "Price at time of withdrawal 12/1..... deduction 5p in the pound". All bookmakers are governed by this. IBAS would find in your favour.

no they wouldnt -

which bit of 'it was less than 10's with them at the time of withdrawal' is confusing you?

"Price at time of withdrawal 12/1..... deduction 5p in the pound"

price in the early market with them at the time of withdrawal was what then iyo?

At the time of withdrawal, board prices would have been in operation, not early prices.

Had exactly the same argument in a Laddies shop this morning. Had £100 @ 10/1 the same horse in the morning and was offered a grand at the payout counter rather than £1,050.

I was referred to a screen which claimed the price was 7/1 at the time of withdrawal and that was the end of the matter.

At the very least this sort of case, where a horse is withdrawn for refusing to enter the stalls, is open to abuse by bookmakers. On the other hand, Rule 4 usually works so much in the punters' favour that you don't really want to tarnish it with any sort of controversy. Plus, with shops being the only place I can any longer have a bet with a bookmaker, and the Laddies shop in question offering BOG up top £100 win or £50 ew, I'd rather not draw attention to the fact I've backed an unraced 2yo winner.

If you're lucky enough still to be allowed to take a price with S****, I'd grin and bear it, if I were you.

S**** = Sb0ylesp0rts

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the OP took the price at 15:41

the race was at 17:25

Sound advice screaming.

Delta, are you saying that because the OP placed his bet at an early price, the board prices subsequently offered are irrelevant in determining the rule 4?

on his bet, yes

Rule 4 is at the price of the horse at the time you placed the bet, if you took an early price.

Shortened the price in the few minutes between them learning it was a NR and withdrawing it (nap)

Its a new account (only opened saturday morning) ive decided to leave it and just get on with the punting until they shut me down! thanks for the help

good luck boys