Can anyone remember TV bet of the 60's?

I don't remember anything prior to the ITV7 & certainly in those pre-tricast etc days, I can't imagine anyone being interested in 'exotic style' bets

I can remember a bet slip for the telly where you had to pick 1st and 2nd in each of the 4 races on bbc1 i think it was.(or was it 5 or 6 races)Like f/c but you got bonuses of 10% etc the more you got correct.

Got me thinking now

What was the name of the bet where you had to pick the first 6 in a 16 runner handicap?

pauli I think it was called looking and praying for a miracle.

I remember the bet, though not the name of it. I don't think it lasted very long, probably because it was too hard. I don't remember anyone ever winning it in full. It wasn't before the ITV 7 though, just ran at the same time for a while.

Wee eck I'm always praying for a miracle but they seem mighty scarce around my neck of the woods.

I am pretty certain that there was a bet in the 60s hosted by

John Rickman simply named the ITV 6.

This was good but Friday racing only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQHB1zd1f5M

A friend of mine is sure that it was before itv7 as the bbc were very formal in their presentation and couldn't imagine them airing such an innovation to their select viewers!

you could do either ITV 5 ITV 6 or ITV 7 On one slip

I remember that greg, but am sure that this bet involved either comb f/c or 1st six in race.
Am supposed to be trying to sort out aintree and this has done my brain in!
Thanks everyone for trying to put me out of my self inflicted misery

I don`t remember it but it wouldn`t have been the BBC and I think ITV normally only covered one meeting ( 4 races at most ) then. Which was as well cos Rickman couldn`t remember where he was at the best of times.

Remember John Rickman and Ken Butler, and ITV 7,
but can't remember anything pre ITV 7, BBC would def not have done it.

Could always find Oaksey in the champagne bar at any track, he always gave 2 in a race then another to the viewers for luck!

The 'first 6' race was definitely ITV - as pauli says, they selected one big-field hcap. It was much too hard. Even if you picked the correct 6 horses, you needed 720 bets to cover the different possible finishing orders. I think it ran for just one flat season.

The ITV Seven has its own wiki page! Started Oct '69 apparently.

^ think the noble Lord was John Lawrence in those days before his peerage.

and commentators were John Penney and Raleigh Gilbert and Graham Goode.

seem to remember there was a bet which involved picking the first 6
in a big handicap race, but pretty sure this was not pre ITV 7.

bet in the 70s/early 80s for BBC racing was the

BBC TRIELLA

3 forecasts for the 3 races shown

Must be the one i was thinking of ooonanasez
thanks

Thats the one mate, massive thanks for all who helped in this one.
Now to aintree and looking for something to beat killyglen before the hard earnt gets squandered!
Good luck all and thanks

I remember the bet,first six in a selected handicap.
I thought it was the ITV6 but a colleague has an inkling it was called the Roll-Up.

The Roll Up was a bet in the Daily Mail selected by someone who went under the name Robin Goodfellow....it wasn't everyday but the idea was to run up a sequence of winning bets. I was at boarding school in 1963 and remember following it avidly;from memory it was very successful.

1st 6 in correct order was called (i think), the Tote Roll up!

It was the tote roll up, were you able to do it on a coupon with a football pools collector from Littlewoods or Vernons? Vauge memories of it

First 6 - in the CORRECT order - in a 16 runner+ Handicap

Blimey!

Don't go giving daft Racing for Change any ideas. 

It was called the Tote Roll-Up - one of its biggest supporters was Peter O'Sullevan who ran his own horse Attivo in about half a dozen of the big field handicaps that were the basis of the bet. That's why Attivo had to run at distances ranging from 7 furlongs to 2 miles in the space of about three months.

I'm pretty sure that was when Attivo was a 3-y-old, which would put this bet in 1972, as he won the Triumph in 1973.

If anyone has his book to hand, the details should be in the chapter about Attivo.

Correction - 1974 Triumph, so the bet was operating during the 1973 flat season.

To guarantee the 16 runners I think they had 2 reserves
ready

In the inaugural event,Attivo was the only one balloted out.

Ha! First one was a 3yo hcap Ascot over 5f in April 1973. 21 were left in - there needed to be 4 reserves, so a ballot was held to ballot out one of the 5 bottom weights - and the one balloted was.... ATTIVO.

If it wasn't won(!), 70% of the pool was carried over to the next Sat, but it had to be won on the 3rd Sat.

Well done, ged ....

Now that brings us onto .... Whatever happened to RACE-O?

April 7th, 1973

Top of the hcap were:-
Burlington Boy
Adams Pet
Welsh City
Brave Lad
Maxi's Taxi
Pal Dan
Kincardine O'Neill

onlooker     10 Apr 12 17:25 
First 6 - in the CORRECT order - in a 16 runner+ Handicap

Blimey!

Don't go giving daft Racing for Change any ideas.

scoop 4 scoop 5 and scoop 6 next

Brave Lad won it.

..and Peter Oosterhuis was 3 shots clear in the Masters after a rain-delayed 3rd round.

Oosterhuis shot 74 for the final round, and finished in a tie for 3rd.

On Tues April 10, Sea Pigeon was a forecast 4/1 2nd fav for the Craven at Newmarket, to be ridden by Bill Williamson, and was 20/1 in the A/P lists for the 2000gns.

What did you have for your tea, ged?

onlooker - I've only just discovered that you can view old Glasgow Heralds on line. I'm a pig in muck now - reading the day's racing preview, racecards and results...and other sports news...

..still can't pick winners. My Drifter won that Craven (??), with Harry Wragg's Freefoot 2nd (ridden by another pig)

ged, Do they have the result of the 1964 Craven, I think Young Christopher won it ridden by Ron Sheather, if not it was 1963.

There was a comentry...... as they passed a bird on the rails.....it flew off..........look at that .....its a *** you dont see many of them ....................talk abt Thomo.

Yes. April 15, 1964

Craven result:-
1 Young Christopher - Ron Sheather
2 Balustrade - Bill Williamson
3 Lionhearted - Harry Carr

..trained by Farnham Maxwell

Young Christopher's form figures going into it were 11112-3

Thank you very much ged, It was my first big win at 100/6. The only horse in the race without a guineas entry.

Good to read sensible threads
thanks for input Ged  backed it myself as our Kristopher was 5 at the time

Well done!

He was 2nd in the Irish Guineas to Santa Claus.
Then won the Jersey.

In 1965 he won the Lockinge, beating Showdown and Roan Rocket.

Remember that Craven, Freefoot went on to finish 3rd in the Derby for a young Pat Eddery behind Morston.

looks like he won a string of non pattern races as a 2yo? I don't remember him at all, though I remember Showdown failing at Kempton in a Guineas trial. I guess I only watched Saturday TV racing then, unless it was school holidays.

Was Morston a maiden winner? and ridden by E.Hide, stewart.

I remember Piggott winning one of those pattern races at Newbury, nosing him up on the line. He was very difficult to win with. I think Piggott boxed Starkey in in that race on Relay Race, who was fav, and Starkey lost his job with Cecil as a result.

...on Freefoot, I meant..

I always remembered Beacon Light falling over a hurdle when about 15 lengths clear and knocking me for a sixfold
No laying some off in them days


Happy times though,you soon got over it

Yes Sparrow, unbeaten career.

Thanks Stewart, always thought Morston was in the 70s for some reason.

ged -

I have updated the LANARK/ROYAL ASCOT thoughts idea -

- on that thread entitled ... 'Ebor winner running at Downpatrick'.

I have brought it back to the top.

on the subject of some old racing topics anyone remember adverts in the handicap bbook..the surryplus guide think it was based on trainers  also handicapping books by pfa..