tell you how incompetent hills top men etc are, last summer think it was the nassau at goodwood, midday was 2nd fav at around 7/2, think aiden obrien had the fav, on the friday before race in morning    backed midday quite large each way at 7/2, mid afternoon fav was withdrawn , midday was shortened like 7/4, went to collect my winnings following day had a shock they paid me on 7/2.  after been paid etc i casually mentioned to cashier , oh wasnt there a rule 4 on the nassau then , should have been, told me no paid everyone whod had a bet prev day at 7/2, i said well there should have been, he phoned ho etc etc and they were adamant that no rule 4 should be taken out. and these settlers paid thousands a week  this was not ante post as final decs was known on thurs , pathetic

. and these settlers paid thousands a week 


well if thats the case i had better dust the cobwebs off the old genie and apply for a job with them

I was paid out at 7/2 on a 2/7 shot named Ange Gabriel

I never questioned it though as it was on screen at 7/2. It was 1/3 in the paper in a 4 horse race. Unfortunately for the shop i jumped on.

when you get paid 7/2 on a 2/7 shot you can only bet at alice in wonderland bookmakers

Tanya Stevenson has got back to me she contacted WHs they said R4 does not apply. I saw the message on the screen in the shop which displayed R4 may apply confirmed by the manager. I asked her to ask whether it was displayed in error

Cadizza/AngelGabriel as a matter of interest how many bets did your shops take over the counter per week on average and how many were "empty" or "alien" bets that you had to settle manually ?

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Looks like the same sort of issue here cause by the inflesibility of their systems.

Looks like Banks has been on the fine claret again !!

Cadizza/AngelGabriel as a matter of interest how many bets did your shops take over the counter per week on average and how many were "empty" or "alien" bets that you had to settle manually ?

Cadizza can answer this one, i never worked in the shops.

cadizza..No I meant how many bets did your shop take over the counter..an actual number per day..

cadizza..And I am not taking the rise..No wonder Betting Shops are single manned.In my day and in the shop that I unfortunately ran that has allowed a family firm from the South of England to sell out and expand again we used to take 10,000 plus bets a week .No aliens as well !! All hand settled.When automatic settling came in it was time to flee !! I cannot imagine someone who terms themselves a "manager" being content to sit behind a counter and settle the odd bet that cannot be done by a machine....

homefortea     07 Mar 12 21:35 
cadizza..And I am not taking the rise..No wonder Betting Shops are single manned.In my day and in the shop that I unfortunately ran that has allowed a family firm from the South of England to sell out and expand again we used to take 10,000 plus bets a week

so in your day

monday 800 bills

tuesday 800 bills

wednesday 800 bills

thursday 1200 bills

friday 1600 bills

saturday 4800 bills.

shop open 10.00 to 18.00 well unless it was mecca bookmakers in the shopping centre at edmonton green market or stuck outside celtic football ground i think you may need to have a recount.

if you was doing that amount on your tod you must have the brain power of stephen hawking and sir clive sinclair combined.

i can remember the old prefab shop opposite finsbury park in the early 70s having 7 tills but it never took that amount of slippage

massive difference settling pre virtual/lucky 15 days.

2 horse 2 dog mon to wed/thurs
3 horse 2 dogs thurs/friday
5 horse 2 morning dogs sat

races staggered quarter hourly 2-00,2-15,2.30 etc

no lucky's, could beat lines before the last race, no early prices, maybe one race in the advert in sporting life/chronicle.
loads of itv7's on saturday
midweek nothing on until first race at 2 most days, snooker time for most managers, full timer filled bets, arrived back at 2, after a few beers to settle bets in the afternoon.
loads of across the card bets and singles, shops busiest time in afternoon when racing was on.
limited football betting.
yes you had to manually settle but 1000 bets then was easier to settle than a thousand bets pre epos, with all the lucky's virtual crap.

Got little rights Kidimo as it was under 12 months Employment you see, had worked for them for 3 years but left for 6 years. I have been to a Solicitor, she was straight with me about it.

Like everyone else though she did find it disgusting that simply for standing up to a bully who had called a member of staff who is autistic a "retard" I was fired and then they subsequently fired him following an investigation in to his behaviour, job standards and even his cv.

Hills are a very poor Firm now with very, very low morals amongst those in control. There is not much I can do now - I have appealed and today been told the appeal is now closed as I failed to attend an appeal meeting and let them know, I today told the Area Manager that I did let them now that I could not attend and have an e-mail and an acknowledgement from his Secretary that I did. At this point in the phone call he went quiet and then brushed that aside and asked me "what are you trying to achieve from your appeal" and I said "to clear my name as Steve White (Area Manager) should never have appointed Gary Makar (dismissed Hills District Manager). White should of listened to all the complaints (which have been listed in 2 investigations with statements from over 30 people) and it should not have got to the point where I had to stand up to this bully.".

See what happens but they basically do whatever they want and make up the rules as they go along. I cannot afford to do anything major and need to get on with things now as it can end up taking over your life.

Horrible people in a horrible Firm - I have contacted Ralph Topping and had no reply, as long as the profits roll in he simply doesn't give a damn and neither to the vast majority of people at William Hill now.

Far worse things going on at Hills these days than getting chopped from 50 quid to a pony on an arb folks!!!

home for tea.

i know sweet fa about shops up north but thats amazing slippage compared to shops down here even back in the 70s and 80s.

at those figures some of the shops up north probably took more in the morning trade back then than the average shop in london now could do all day and night on a saturday

goggles this was back in the days when there was a demand test and the High Street wasn't full of Bookmakers !!
cadizza I had a spell working for Stanley Racing and they had some monster shops (albeit with a very low average stake per slip)Back in the day managed a shop in Manchester that was immaculate on a run down Council Estate.Couldn't understand why so much money had been spent on it until I discovered that it was the closest shop to the Chairmans house.As if he would pop in ! although he once came into another shop to claim 20p in expenses for parking !The firm also had a shop on the Newtownards Road in Belfast that had an enormous slippage - 3 thousand would be a quiet day and even 25 years ago would open at 7 am to catch the Harland and Wolff employees off to work.Try settling those bets - a favourite was to pick 12 horses on a slip and do an each-way double lap and the minute the bet was finished they would be at the payout !!!

Cannot disagree with that unforgiven.

Changes people who work at William Hill I think, it is like a cult ran by a (change the l to a n)!

Think that is wrong mate - probably a clueless member of Staff as oppose to a rule

Christ, nothing at all surprises me with them lot any more!