Kauto fall in schooling..

on ATR to

Anaglogs will be seething you beat him to this breaking news...

too

50/50 to go in the Gold Cup.

Massive news, and terrible for me.

gutter

last week ... lol

can i get evs anywhere he runsplease?

he fell last week Enzo said.

lol.

not a word said.

If it happened last week why are we only hearing about it now?

price didnt budge an inch on here....he must have them sworn to secrecy at Ditcheat

Can't see Kauto running from the way that Nicholls describes his condition.

He says he will give daily updates as to his progress which is something I guess.

Have 'they' a duty to tell anyone anything ?

on his betfair column.

Sumptuous scenes.

Transparency eh?

No mention in any 'column' ???

Market suspended.

Are they sure it happened last week?

On Saturday Pail Nicholls said on his Betfair blog:

Ruby was here on Friday morning to school some of our big guns. He schooled Kauto Star, Big Buck's, Al Ferof and Join Together to name but four and I was delighted with them all.

They kept that Q U I E T.

Agreed watchit. Doesn't influence what/the way I bet one iota

Happened today,while nicholls was at J.GIFFORD memorial.

"Not responded to physiotherapy" - according to ENZO on ATR ...

So hard to see how it schooled on Friday - and Nicholls was, "delighted".

Price it up, boys ..... ENZO v Nicholls.

Nicholls is at a Chelt/preview 2nite.

Brother makes a good point there, if it was last week then its bad form from betfairs blogger..

atr wouldn't have a clue, they are just reporting 2nd hand

bluenose - ATR did not say that.

They said that Nicholls was unavailable - because he was at the Memorial Service.

Hard to see Nicholls letting them school Kauto .... whilst he was NOT there.

as always

The comment that he isnt responding to treatment suggests it was days ago.

Gutting if he doesnt go, it will have been his swansong

Anyway - Top Marks to Betfair for SUSPENDING - BEFORE anybody could LAY a penny - at higher than it was 'normally' offered at.

if he,d responded to treatment pumpkin would have sat back while millions were  punted on a horse who had suffered a heavy fall schooling, and no one would have known ,disgusting

Was last week then, when???

It was a 'pretty awful fall'.

Hmmm.

At the end of last week? And it comes out on Thursday of the following week.

Very upfront Paul. Cheers.

Saturday : Ruby was here on Friday morning to school some of our big guns. He schooled Kauto Star, Big Buck's, Al Ferof and Join Together to name but four and I was delighted with them all.

Today : Kauto took a tumble when Ruby schooled him at the end of last week. I say tumble, but in truth it was a pretty awful fall.

Ruby on RUK after 5-40 Kempton.

If he had 'recovered' you wouldn't have heard a word about this.

Until of course he got snotted in the Gold Cup and the excuse was ready..

to tell more porkies ,whats the point

Agree Brother, unless it happened on sat morning it doesnt look good form

Cant be that good though, he maybe thought Kauto had recovered ok  but now he's showing that he's not over it

It isn't great communication by any stretch, let's just hope the horse recovers.

even if he had recovered the betting public had a right to no about a heavy schooling fall 20 days before the sports 2nd biggest race,imagine the uproar if it was henderson,and message to ruk it aint bad news for anyone who,s backed something else ante post,didnt een mention it at a festival preview day yesterday

Paid a retainer by this outfit, given a bigger cash sum than the one he obtained from the Holy Ghost, so as to keep Betfair customers up to date.

He fell over, a really awfull one, last week.

Take your retainer and enjoy it you salad dodging,overhyped, spoilt clown.

Loves himself a lot more than any horse in his care.


Fingers crossed Henderson has a storming Cheltenham and grabs the trainers title.

Information is out there before the market has a whiff; and people are still moaning. The stable deserves credit for preventing any leak, or acting on any information imo.

anyone know what was said at the chelt preview last night regarding his chances in the gold cup ?

That's not much consolation to people who have backed him during the last few days, Cider.

cider what a clown,what about everyone who,s backed the horse since last friday,een if it runs they wouldnt have backed it knowing this

That's called Antepost Dan, and most firms are nrnb in any case. Why would anyone want to take the risk this close to Cheltenham. Bleaters need to man up.

Which firms were NRNB last week? Ladbrokes only went NRNB today I think.

No cider most firms are NOT nrnb.

Pumpkin demonstrating that he is no better than the many other 'put-away' merchants that are paid a retainer by the racing media...

I can see at least 5 are nrnb on oddschecker. Do people want their arses whiped as well

From today maybe but the big firms were not NRNB last week!!!

Redferrari,Lads been NRNB for several weeks on Gold Cup.

4 effectively with tote & betfred 1 & the same.  10 that are not.

Come on Kauto!!!

the positive is that had it been the henderson yard it would have been 9-1 by friday night, he's managed to hide it very well

Top marks to Nichols stable, obviously never acted on the information they had, hence why Kauto remained at about 4.8 on here. For once it's not only about the cash.

What day last week did it happen. PFN seems to be very vague.

Walsh said Friday

With this horse, does anyone feel the same as me that it just goes beyond money. I haven't backed him, but I don't think money or transparency would be the first things I would think of if I did. I was watching SSN and when it broke and i actually thought, ****, he's broken his neck and I was relieved to hear he was just shaken up. He's a special horse, we will never see the like of him again. I hope to god he makes it, but only if he is 100% because he is defending his legacy.

I think that everyone involved in the horse deserves a tremendous amount of credit for keeping the story under wraps until now.

If the story had leaked, been laid on bf for a statement to follow later then he would be criticised also, so in that sense it appears that he cannot win.

Whether you agree with the details of the story or not, now would probably be a good time to remember that without Nicholls Kauto probably wouldn't even be here at the top of his game at the age of 12.

He conducts himself extremely well in the media. He embraced the Kauto vs Denman narrative (for exmaple) and his use of his column, twitter etc ensures he keeps punters in the loop a lot more than he needs to.

So by all means disagree with the fact the story has only just been reported but I think everyone probably has a duty of respect for the trainer and the horse to not simply start slagging him needlessly.

Racing is a sport after all. It's not simply about the winning and the losing of the hard earned. Well not for me anyway.

good post neill. It wont be the worst news if he misses the race. His fall in the same race still fresh in the memory. Hes done enough to be an all-time great.

like to no how the morons on here lauding nichols yard ,no if all the lads have been putting their tuck shop money on longrun since last friday

I just saw a post on twitter Howard that was to the effect that If Kauto Star does make it, the appreciation he will get on entering the paddock will exceed what anything else gets for winning, makes up for it in a way.

BTW I'm usually as cynical an auld **** as there is but not with this horse

Why are so many peoples first reactions to instantly think how this affects their pocket or antepost positions.

This horse is one of the all time greats of our sport.  The first thing that comes to my mind is his wellbeing.  I for one hope that he makes a speedy recovery and is able to take his place in the field, if only for the fact that it would make a fantastic sporting story were he able to regain his crown at such an advanced age.

But if its not to be it's not to be and all we will have been robbed of is a fantastic story.  At least the horse himself is still alive and we haven't been robbed of his presence on the planet in its entirety.  Get well soon Kauto Star.

mills and boon alive and kicking.horse racing is about punting pure and simple,and if you believe otherwise your deluded

"Ruby was here on Friday morning He schooled Kauto Star, . . .to name but four and I was delighted with them all." PFN - Saturday last

betfair need to get the timeline of the fall and void all bets after, no?

doubt it!! backers of other horses that were withdrawn due to similar things werent refunded. no reason they should be now.

Ladbrokes have been NRNB concession on the 4 championship races since Dec 28th 2011

Does that mean you anticipate Cheltenham purely for the pun ting oppertunities it presents 1st time?, that is, if you anticipate it at all? If I was like that I'd just stick with playing poker tbh.

last week!!! yikes. why bother telling us now.

Fair play to Paul Nicholls and Clive Smith for letting us know now,he was obviously hoping KS would get over the fall hoping for the best now there must be a big doubt in the stable that he will run in GC.
KS is a superstar and i trust in PN to make the right decision for the good of this great sport all the best Kauto and to the PN team.

Are you having a laugh? Best part of a week it's took to tell the plebs that are the betting public about this. A disgrace.

better it happened there ,then jumping 2 out at chelts imo ,he  owes no one nothing ,hope they
dont run him now ,be tragic if anything happened to him during race .

Personally i think now would be a great time for the great horse to bow out. He has exceeded all expectations this season. His 5th KG should be his swan song. Good night and thanks for coming.

FFS was easy money imo. Still gonna back if he races.

There are people who seriously think Nicholls deserves any credit over this? Him not saying anything is bad enough, but to use his blog on here to blatantly lie to the public is a disgrace.

As people have already said, if Kauto was responding to treatment, we wouldn't have heard a word about it.

If there's even the slightest doubt over him, he shouldn't run. He's already given us so much.

Totally agree Dr G.