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Not sure of underrated but David Bridgewater was as good as McCoy until he was injured and had to retire. Not sure Tony would have won so many titles...
Darryll Holland - in his heyday as good as it gets
few years ago there was an amateur,Derek Thompson,
thought he could have made it.
thought he could have made it.
Ann Stokell,
balanced, graceful, finesse on horseback in motion
balanced, graceful, finesse on horseback in motion
Bridgewater wouldn't lace A.P' boots at any time imo.
I always thought Cash Assmusen was as good as any Jockey riding.
I always thought Cash Assmusen was as good as any Jockey riding.
Agree with regarding Cash Acey, would have been more appreciated now.
Surely Cochrane wasn't underrated Trimmer!
I'll add the much maligned Greville Starkey a 'great' in my book.
Surely Cochrane wasn't underrated Trimmer!
I'll add the much maligned Greville Starkey a 'great' in my book.
trimmer, i said to a jockey last night, Ray Cockran was one of the best jockeys i have seen.
Interesting, isn't it - Opinion.
I would have to put 'cocky Cochrane' in the OVER-rated bracket.
... and ANNOYING - given his penchant for always wanting to go for impossible runs up the rails.
I would have to put 'cocky Cochrane' in the OVER-rated bracket.
... and ANNOYING - given his penchant for always wanting to go for impossible runs up the rails.
Jamie Spencer is the most underrated jockey riding on the flat at the moment and Tony McCoy the most overrated jockey over the jumps if not of all time.
As ATR loon Mit Chipman, alas The Ranter, says, its only an opinion, thoo he through his toys out the pram yesterday, when someone disagreed with his, word has it, all they said was he did not agree with The Ranter opinion of Philip and Peter Hobbbs, as being Great Jockeys, The Ranter threw a right wobbly, they had to sedete him during the advert to calm him down, it is the worst keep secret, Mitt and his disorders, 
Cochrane went through a bad spell for a couple
of seasons(could have been by design),but if you
watch some of them big field d.caps,the way he got his
mount to sit on the bridle,imo.he was the best since Piggott.
I think Hughie over the last 2 years has been the same.
of seasons(could have been by design),but if you
watch some of them big field d.caps,the way he got his
mount to sit on the bridle,imo.he was the best since Piggott.
I think Hughie over the last 2 years has been the same.
One of the best in Ireland is John Cullen. You get nice odds on his fancied mounts as he's not as fashionable as the big boys.
Will get a good job next year...watch this space.
Will get a good job next year...watch this space.
Willie Ryan was v good imo. Ride on Benny the Dip when he stole the 1997 Derby was awesome. Shame he didn't get more big chances as no. 2 at Warren Place.
agree with Jamilla, Jamie Spencer is currently the most underrated on flat. Also think Pat Smullen doesn't get enough accolades.
Re topfarriers post - Many very good judges thought a great deal of Starkey. Mind you he was already a professional as an apprentice!
jimmy fortune has to be one of the strongest in a finish even the great fallon said last year he is the last jockey you want to see on your shoulder in a driving finish
Agree with trimmer about Ray Cochrane also he was excellent on hold up handicappers getting them up on the line seemed to have a lot of short head winners.Oscar Urbina for his ability to get a horse the required handicap mark.
How can anybody say Frank is underrated?the guy gets into more trouble than i have had Hot Dinners ffs.
Malcolm Bastard,struggled with his height.nap
Frank struggles with horses.nb
Frank struggles with horses.nb
Btw freedomofspeech............I hope you are not a gambler.
He must have stumbled in here on his way to the Football Forum.
The most underrated of all time.
But nobody has gone back further than about 30 years!
But nobody has gone back further than about 30 years!
possibly a contender for the widest range of capability... from very good to terrible in 30 mins usually.
Sir Clement Freud and Davey Jones of Monkees fame..........mega impressive strike rate.
when he got used to our racing,thought K McAvoy?
were'nt too bad.
were'nt too bad.
Always thought Bruce Raymond was hugely underrated. Solid top 10 jockey every year but thought he deserved to be much higher. Also was extremely good over a long period of time (early 70's to early 90's)
Garnie Bougoure was the most under rated on the flat
hands like silk
hands like silk
Oscar Urbina had hands of silk,Chinese silk,so refined that even Mr Chung didnt notice the subtleties.
I went to Arc weekend the year Carroll House won, I think Cash Asmussen had 5 or 6 winners and seemed peerless. Not sure he was particularly underrated though, not by me anyway.
Garnie Bougoure was a genius Masked Magician.
Certainly not underrated by those who seen him but maybe too easily forgotten in the passage of time.
If you went over to the Aussie forum they wouldn't know who he was.
Certainly not underrated by those who seen him but maybe too easily forgotten in the passage of time.
If you went over to the Aussie forum they wouldn't know who he was.
AD, Johnny Hain was underrated, by who. not by me, rode me a winner on the horse that give me my 1st winner.
Muis Roberts was brilliant - the way he produced Mtoto time and time again was nerveless.
Over the jumps, Declan Murphy was as good a horseman as you'll see - when Barney wanted it, Declan did the business!
Over the jumps, Declan Murphy was as good a horseman as you'll see - when Barney wanted it, Declan did the business!
Ok rider Muis Roberts, dont think he was underrated, he was champion jockey, well at a poor time, Jason Wafler was runner up to him once, says it all.
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