Online Bookmaker restricting procedure - facts required

As far as i know if you consistantly beat the price you are toast with all of them.

They dont want anybody price sensitive and that goes from sporting ods upto Laddies.

Think you will find ive covered it.

Good luck all the same, because il sure be interested if certain firms have a trigger.

Tom  How is the weather in Wisbech cold?  Read your thread about poor Wisbech it is a shame  I was there last summmer what a change from last time back in the 80'S. Have you ever thought about moving to Little Hunstanton.   Visit several times in the  summer and remains fairly civilised considering the overall state of the country at present. Super beach for kite surfing beginners, wind turbines some how blend in with view from beach, and there are some decent views on the beach. Our eastern european compatriots are there but usually well behaved.  Difficult to carry a knife when you are in swim trunks.  You are in a wonderful part of the Uk  sometimes you can be overwhelmed by those Big Skies Hang on in  Good Luck from Blighted Bedfordshire

I work in the fraud and risk management dept of a major online bookie, more the fraud side of things to be honest, I can tell you what the triggers are...but I would have to kill you all after.

No wonder Betfair is classed as the "white Knite" in comparison in the betting indusrty as they make charges and commisions aside from the betting and not because of taking corporation advantage of a customer by being monopolistic pre sportiong excahnge.

The only real and true markets are the early price markets as competition is enabled via natural competition freedoms.

there is fraud involved within bookmaers but the majority of it is staff fiddling.

so for that reason one can understand the need, but far to easily the same departments handle complaints from customers who are not paid out winnings, surely customers should come first and not profits?

"It is highly amusing that bookmakers have departments that are named "anti-fraud" or "security"
as its quite clear bookmakers regard winning customers as criminals, whats even more amusing its that they themselves are probably the biggest group of high street robbery experts in the British publics history."

Fraud departments take care of multiple accounts, bonus abusers, etc. as well as outright card fraud. People coming on here saying "I had 1 losing bet and was closed down" have probably been done by these despite thinking they would get away with a new card, new address, different email address, etc. The days of starting a 5th new account with Skybét are long gone as personal information needs to equate to that on the card or there is a good chance they will dig you out. Frustrating, but unless you use other people the game is up.

Long live all sporting exchanges.

The point with opening multiple accounts is that they have your IP address.If that is fixed then you are fooked.I often muse as I sip a glass of Pinot in the back garden (not tonight!) how many accounts have been closed because someone has just moved into the ex-mansion of a player or merely logged on in an internet cafe or wi-fi hotspot.Who knows how many are restricted or closed down that would have been major losers !! Plus there will be "cookies" put into your computer that trace your betting.Act like a drug dealer with his mobile and every time you can access a new identity buy a new netbook for each one and make sure that you have a new ip address...(proxy server anyone !)

dont say that guru, bff knows plenty,havent you read all the cr4p he posted? [roll eyes]

racingguru   The problem will never go away. there are ways of keeping them open for longer, but those that have worked this out will not be stupid enough to come on here and tell you. My saying is "making money from horses is easy, getting the money on is the hardest part of the job"

Guru anyone who works for a major firm is so scared of losing his job there would not dare to post.The only representatives you get on here are their PR apologists who are easy to spot and appear after their firm has been subject to a heavy dose of reality !!

Open as many different bookie accounts as you can in the first instance.

Spread as many of the bets between them as possible (ie split £300 win on a 4/1 into 3 x £100 bets with 3 different bookies).

Keep winnings per bet to £500 or under. Trigger alerts on nearly all bookmakers with winnings above either £500 or £1000, these bets will then be scrutinised by trading team for arb or price beating, mark put on your account to scrutinise all bets, restrictions/closure then follows.

Throw them a few red herrings, back a horse with them and lay on here for minimal loss that you believe will not win or will drift markedly, the BOG concession allows you to nick a few quid on them anyway when they get beat, HTH

Big boss has got some of the strategy right. I have dealt with strategies extensively in the past. The answer to the question has rarely been touched upon on here. No insiders have given up very much information that would be considered useful in respect of the question. There have been a few occassional posters who have given brief glimpses of inside a trading room.

These have given the impression that the closing of accounts can be down to random whims of random traders with little or no real strategy. punter X won, and he beat our price, therefore he must be in the know or an arber...close him down. This seems to be a common enough event, even when the said bookmakers were going out of their way to give the highest price in the country.

I would have loved a really good account of what goes on in the bookmakers trading rooms while I still had accounts. Unfortunately, no one has ever spilled the beans to any meaningful extent on here.

It could be a decent post.

Of course the main reason for all this difficulty getting on is the website you are logged on to now. Betfair is great as it gives you an alternative to the normal bookmaker type experience but its a bloody big stick to beat you with. It sets an industry standard regarding the price of a selection and makes bookmakers so defensive regarding any bet offered at a price bigger than the exchange. Gone are the days when the bookies had an opinion, what is the point when the punters opinion is clear to see by looking on here. Its like going in to buy a car with how much your willing to pay tatooed on your forehead. The number of times I've had a neandathol customer services clerk tell me I am an "arb" player must be pushing 30, I've never laid a horse/sport on an exchange in my life.

So the reality is the big door is open for a bookmaker who wants to play the game. Who dosent have reems of shareholders to appease and is happy to have an opinion.

I suppose that rules just about everybody out

Wait until Mfordy gets in from school, imo, he's been getting his bets on tipster movers with no problems whatsoever for getting on for a decade.

There is no way around it, imo, and as someone points out above, technological advances have made it even harder to keep accounts alive.

It's only going to get worse, imo, and until the totally contemptible betting media start doing their jobs and actually reporting the truth about the way the bookmaking industry operate, only people that lose will ever be able to bet in the future, imo (obviously this won't create  any problems for Millington and the majority of his 'experts')...

i used to work for one of the bookies mentioned here, dont really want to give out which one, as i know some of them are on here...

theresbeenagoal has put up a pertinent post. they were SO quick to link accounts (in some cases wrongly!), and those on here getting knocked back after one bet are surely on 4/5/6th account. obviously pricewise lovers were flagged immediately, as well as (this is a few years back) anyone using isiris! same with arbers, although this wasnt as big a deal during my time. one other thing, we had quite a few ex-in the business folk working for us, so they would know if certain customers had access to info.

they basically gave every customer a grade, i will call them a, b, c, d, e.
a - the mugs. take everything and everything off these guys. patterns of behaviour very easy to spot.
b - every new and un monitored customer. the normal 10 pound guessers.
c - monitor. no action taken yet, but if they start getting tasty, they move onto...
d - restricted takeout, refer bets if close to or over takeout
e - lively! refer everything, draconian restrictions

every grade had a takeout restriction, bar 'a'. again, as has been said, a lot of it was down to traders whim...when someone obviously bet on a certain trainer, jockey etc, that was one thing, but as an example...we had an 'a' customer, complete mug, used to put 1k patents on 3 shorties. chased like a fecker. was 100s of k down with us. then, he catches his 3 winners, 2 or 3 days in a row, as you would expect to happen occassionally. i come in the next day, and he's a 'd'! was interesting trying to explain this to him after he quite rightly he'd been funding our profits for years!