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Heeeere's Johnny
22 Jan 12 13:02
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Does anyone know if there are any reliable historical in-play stat's available ?

Timeform (by Betfair's own admission) is up to 50% out - e.g. horses trading at 16 in-play show with a high of 11 on Timeform, etc.
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Report John_Cherry • January 22, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
Blimey if it's that far out what's the point of the data?
I think the stats only show when a pound has been matched though.
Figures next to the graph after a race show the pennies matched too.
Report Heeeere's Johnny • January 22, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
I've had £20 matched at 16 in-play and Timeform only shows 11 (and several other similar examples), so its nothing to do with only pennies being matched.

When I raised it with Betfair they were well aware of the issue - apparently it affects the low prices too.  The guy I spoke to cited several examples off the top of his head, so it obviously happens a lot.  I've personally noticed multiple examples a day, but it could be every race for all I know.
Report andy cap • January 22, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
http://www.fracsoft.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=57
Report Heeeere's Johnny • January 22, 2012 1:13 PM GMT
I looked at Fracsoft, but how can we be sure they don't use the same data feed as Timeform ?
Report John_Cherry • January 22, 2012 1:18 PM GMT
Thanks for the info HJ, didn't know it was so innaccurate!
Report Heeeere's Johnny • January 22, 2012 1:23 PM GMT
Not a problem.  Feel free to check it yourself if you're not sure - it shouldn't take too long to find a few good examples.
Report Heeeere's Johnny • January 22, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
Blimey if it's that far out what's the point of the data?

If I were a cynical kind of chap I would say that the skewed data makes certain betting strategies appear profitable on paper, thus encouraging people to gamble.  However, in the real world these advantages never actually materialise.
Report John_Cherry • January 22, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
Hmmm. Betfair are very much sharper in taking the graphs down after the race nowadays
too.
Report artie • January 22, 2012 2:21 PM GMT
You might get this from Proform.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • January 22, 2023 2:26 PM GMT
Proform.
Report longbridge • January 23, 2023 10:12 AM GMT
are Proform only good if the 'historic' data you want is extremely historic?
Report MartinK • January 23, 2023 11:26 AM GMT
The data Betfair publish at: - https://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices/
IPMAX    Maximum price placed in-play (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)
IPMIN    Minimum price placed in-play (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)
I've always presumed this is the same value on Timeform - but I may well be wrong.
Report stewarts rise • January 23, 2023 12:22 PM GMT
What is the link for the timeform prices please, used to be accessable from the top of betfair page but has gone now.
Report longbridge • January 23, 2023 1:03 PM GMT
@stewarts rise

"What is the link for the timeform prices please, used to be accessable from the top of betfair page but has gone now."

The one at the top of @MartinK's post is the same data as Timeform use, or you can get it manually per-race from the Timeform site.

Apologies if I misunderstand your question.
Report longbridge • January 23, 2023 1:04 PM GMT
@MartinK

"I've always presumed this is the same value on Timeform - but I may well be wrong."

You are not wrong.  The numbers on the BF SP CSVs are the same as published on TF, in my experience.
Report dustybin • January 23, 2023 1:16 PM GMT
That BFSP data is a mess at times.
Never mind the accuracy its got at least 2% failure of market data, some years are especially bad and has all sorts of cr4p thrown in like AvB etc
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