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A more important question is does the Betty Bot match bets at 1000.0 where it is impossible for the selection to win?
There is something very wrong with an online betting site that allows the unwary
to back horses minutes after they are officially out of the race.
to back horses minutes after they are officially out of the race.
i would expect the betfair bot is the first to lay 1000 any faller
it is their site and their toy after all is said and done
it is their site and their toy after all is said and done
I think if you get a chance to back the fav at 1000-1 in running you should have an idea that all is not well.
Dotchinite, we all know, that but a procedure should be in place to make it impossible
to place a bet on a horse that is officially out of a race.
to place a bet on a horse that is officially out of a race.
I think if you bcak just as it falls and gets matched at 1000-1 then tahts unlucky and if you take the 1000 of the screen its your own responsibility.
Cant see why any procedure is needed.
What is needed is in cases like the BDO darts where Kellett and bunting are still quoted and being laid when they failed to qualify on an event where the draw was done weeks ago.
Cant see why any procedure is needed.
What is needed is in cases like the BDO darts where Kellett and bunting are still quoted and being laid when they failed to qualify on an event where the draw was done weeks ago.
Its not the 999-1 layers that are the problem it's them laying much much shorter for large sums after they have fallen 
Possibly because,if a runner is removed from the betting,the entire market has to be suspended and a new one formed. In a jumps race,this could happen a half a dozen times or more and would result in total confusion.
are betfair a bookmaker now , aviboyd.
since moving to gib according to the gambling commission it's seems they and others can do anything they like
since moving to gib according to the gambling commission it's seems they and others can do anything they like
They don't have to remove it. just deop it down to the bottom
Thats not what people are talking about Doc.If you back a horse that is going well but has already fallen or broken down because you are not watching live.That is being stolen from in my book.You have been defrauded but Betfair make money from it,so do nothing.
I remember i backed 0-1 instead of 1-0(the real score) on the correct score,straight after a goal was scored because some thieving parasite had put up 8s 0-1.A bit over what 1-0 should have been.Stupid on my part i know but an honest mistake.When i called the Betfair help desk and said they should stop these theiving scum scalping people and that it was a palpable error on my part.All they would say was i had 2 chances to cancel the bet and it was tough s hite.
Seems its not tough s hite but a palpable error when it happens to them.
I remember i backed 0-1 instead of 1-0(the real score) on the correct score,straight after a goal was scored because some thieving parasite had put up 8s 0-1.A bit over what 1-0 should have been.Stupid on my part i know but an honest mistake.When i called the Betfair help desk and said they should stop these theiving scum scalping people and that it was a palpable error on my part.All they would say was i had 2 chances to cancel the bet and it was tough s hite.
Seems its not tough s hite but a palpable error when it happens to them.
ON HERE YOU CAN BACK PEOPLE IN EVENTS SUCH AS X-FACTOR AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN VOTED OUT.
Does anyone have difinitive information as to Betfair backing/laying? I think this is a very important question. Surely they should be acting only as brokers not as bookies?
are you condoning the practise , budapest , or just showing anothe example of theft
Most of you shouldn't be allowed internet access.
adge - I believe BF are licensed in the UK via the Gambling Commission under the Gambling Act (2005). BF are continually in breach of 'Codes of Practice' and why nobody has challenged them legally about this is simply staggering imo.
Adge - if what you say is true and could be proved surely BF could be hung out to dry and their business well and truly holed beneath the water line !!!! It's bad enough for other third parties to be getting away with it !!
Carlsberg why dont you throw in castration while you are at it.
I think Carlsbergs mum has taken his internet access away!!
the gambling commission have this week said they have no power to act in any way over those registered in gibralter
democrat .i don't work for betfair so don't know how they work but as they have this week admitted that they have robots working in all markets no one can get in before them.
democrat .i don't work for betfair so don't know how they work but as they have this week admitted that they have robots working in all markets no one can get in before them.
So the moral of the story is - get registered offshore and get up to whatevere chicanery you want ? Could start a trend - makes all these elongated schedule Y's look like chicken feed 
I'm going to start a company that run a lottery style game and register it in Gibralter. The draws will be predetermined with winning tickets allocated in advance to family members. I bet the GC and Police would soon find some jurisdiction and take action...
I think if you get a chance to back the fav at 1000-1 in running you should have an idea that all is not well.
similarly if it's 29 all is not well, but if you're brave enough to lump on ........
similarly if it's 29 all is not well, but if you're brave enough to lump on ........
Bf are obviousley using the Ostrich technique and hoping if they bury their head in the sand and ignore everything it will all go away and in this case it will unless agreived punters go to the police and report a fraud(the police are duty bound to investigate any report of a crime)even if bf are registered in Gib the directors live in the UK and can be arrested. If no one is prepared to do this best to just wipe your mouth and move on. . .
The GC have no legal remit over BF. The police may have an interest if it affected UK citizens.
In fact due to the current situation with Gib etc there are very few online firms that the GC would have any remit over. Not sure who is left in UK. Bet365, Coral? That is probably about it apart from a few small firms.
In fact due to the current situation with Gib etc there are very few online firms that the GC would have any remit over. Not sure who is left in UK. Bet365, Coral? That is probably about it apart from a few small firms.
Budapest...1000 on x factor means nothing they come back after being voted out,fallers in racing can`t carry on.
£8 just matched at 1000 in the Fulham vs Arsenal game , score 0-1 at time of matching . If you cant win you cant lose ( except here ) .
At the end of the day if you cant be bothered to wait to get your exposure back and back 0-0 when its 1-0 youre a moron. 99% of money matched at 1000 ( in anything other than horse racing ) is people who cant be bothered to wait until the event has finished and just want there money back to bet again.
The human intervention Betfairs end that would be required to grey out back/lays on "not possible" results (particularly horse racing), would create a logistical nightmare.
Even automated processes are subject to failure (as we have seen) let alone ones that would require human input in fast response markets. Even experienced commentators often call the wrong horse as a faller.
Even automated processes are subject to failure (as we have seen) let alone ones that would require human input in fast response markets. Even experienced commentators often call the wrong horse as a faller.
Betfair should void all monies staked at the end of races or events where you cannot possibly win, the same as they did over the Voler La Vedette fiasco.
How do you decide when you can't win?
It is so subjective that it is almost impossible to determine in most sports.
It is so subjective that it is almost impossible to determine in most sports.
Only one person on here spells can't carnt, not another username already?
Not that hard,just void any bet taken after a horse has fallen or broken down.Not faded out of the race or brought to a stop by a mistake.At the point it is impossible for a horse to win the race.
But who decides what the precise time a horse falls? Do you void all bets 5 secs before fall? There will be an almost impossible grey area in every case.
What about a horse that breaks down? How do you determine the exact time it happens? Why distinguish between a fall and a PU?
The same problem is evident in pretty much all sports. Racing is the hardest though as the event doesn't stop once one outcome can't happen unlike sports such as football etc.
If you were going to go down that route you would effectively end IR on continuous events such as racing.
What about a horse that breaks down? How do you determine the exact time it happens? Why distinguish between a fall and a PU?
The same problem is evident in pretty much all sports. Racing is the hardest though as the event doesn't stop once one outcome can't happen unlike sports such as football etc.
If you were going to go down that route you would effectively end IR on continuous events such as racing.
what about soccer...
they suspend for the goal.... then after the reopen the market, you can still back IMPOSSIBLE RESULTS.... ie the faller...
and this remains caveat emptor
they suspend for the goal.... then after the reopen the market, you can still back IMPOSSIBLE RESULTS.... ie the faller...
and this remains caveat emptor
and it is extremely tedious to suggest a faller can still win...
sure they can TECHINCALLY remount and win the race....
but if they do so the stewards are suspose to lodge and objection and have the horse disqualified.... SURE the stewards might not lodge the objection - but surely they will...
so no a faller cannot win in the UK
sure they can TECHINCALLY remount and win the race....
but if they do so the stewards are suspose to lodge and objection and have the horse disqualified.... SURE the stewards might not lodge the objection - but surely they will...
so no a faller cannot win in the UK
FFS If anyone is daft enough to bet on a faller regardless of time lapse then caveat emptor if they think layers are going to offer huge odds on a horse with a chance.
When I was a young man about to go out into the world, my father says to me a very valuable thing.
He says to me like this... "Son," the old guy says, "I am sorry that I am not able to bank roll you
to a very large start, but not having any potatoes which to give you, I am now going to stake you
to some very valuable advice. One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to come to you and
show you a nice, brand new deck of cards on which the seal has not yet been broken. This man is going
to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of that deck and squirt cider in your
ear. Now son, you do not take this bet, for as sure as you stand there, you are going to wind up with
an earful of cider."
He says to me like this... "Son," the old guy says, "I am sorry that I am not able to bank roll you
to a very large start, but not having any potatoes which to give you, I am now going to stake you
to some very valuable advice. One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to come to you and
show you a nice, brand new deck of cards on which the seal has not yet been broken. This man is going
to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of that deck and squirt cider in your
ear. Now son, you do not take this bet, for as sure as you stand there, you are going to wind up with
an earful of cider."
If the Ladbrokes in-running book can make a faller a non-runner, why cant betfair?!
should read "an earful of cider or a void bet" surely.
ReemChild...........how long does it take for an IR bet to be accepted by the books?
Not that hard to determine at what point is deemed to have fallen.Lets just say it is at the point that the horses body touches the floor.If the horse is after that by some miracle to get up with the jockey on board and win or be placed.Its no problem because the bets taken after the fall would only be voided after the race.Same for breaking down,say it has broken down when the jockey stops the horse from participating in the race.Again if the horse carried on after looking like it had broken down then no in running bets are voided.A pu is easy to determine,the horse is still on its feet.
Better to have some system than to keep allowing the theft that goes on now and badly tarnishes Betfairs reputation.
Better to have some system than to keep allowing the theft that goes on now and badly tarnishes Betfairs reputation.
Here's how it works right?
1. The race is officially "off"
2. Betfair cancels all bets and suspends the market (unless you've marked your bet as a keeper)
3. Everyone who bets after the suspension knows they are betting "in-running"
4. The in-running rules are clearly laid out and everyone knows what they are
5. If you place a bet you agree to the rules
6. Shut up and stop whingeing
7. Or keep your money in your pocket
What could be simpler than that?
1. The race is officially "off"
2. Betfair cancels all bets and suspends the market (unless you've marked your bet as a keeper)
3. Everyone who bets after the suspension knows they are betting "in-running"
4. The in-running rules are clearly laid out and everyone knows what they are
5. If you place a bet you agree to the rules
6. Shut up and stop whingeing
7. Or keep your money in your pocket
What could be simpler than that?
It's a waste of time voiding fallers. They're the thin edge of a massive wedge. A horse can go from looking 1.01 to a 1000.0 in a matter of strides. The answer is to make the bet placement delay on horse racing 3 hours to accommodate betfair or maybe even 3 years to accommodate the BHA.
What could be simpler than that?
They could make sure every customer is aware of the true extent of the delays and stop pretending that bet placement delays are there to protect the average punter.
They could make sure every customer is aware of the true extent of the delays and stop pretending that bet placement delays are there to protect the average punter.
And those shrewdies who are howling never knew they were backing a Barton Bank at 1000 or 1.01.
Do none of you guys bet on the cricket ?
When a batsman is out he will be removed from the market following suspension eg top batsman market if he cannot win that market . If they can do it for the cricket , why not for the soccer ?
The greening up carp is smokescreen , in the batsman run market when the player is removed from the market , the liability ( if any ) disappears and the free balance is automatically adjusted . Someone somewhere on betfair does not understand that they operate markets differently for no apparent obvious reason . Somebody wasted £8 tonight on the Fulham match backing 0-0 when it was 0-1 . Think that is wrong .
When a batsman is out he will be removed from the market following suspension eg top batsman market if he cannot win that market . If they can do it for the cricket , why not for the soccer ?
The greening up carp is smokescreen , in the batsman run market when the player is removed from the market , the liability ( if any ) disappears and the free balance is automatically adjusted . Someone somewhere on betfair does not understand that they operate markets differently for no apparent obvious reason . Somebody wasted £8 tonight on the Fulham match backing 0-0 when it was 0-1 . Think that is wrong .
There's a warning on every event that allows IR. It says something like "Live may not mean LIVE".
I don't want BF mollycoddling me. I want them to be fair and straight and stick to their own rules.
I think that the rules around PC are iniquitous (though I have no chance of ever paying PC);
I think they have a problem with the rules about voiding runners in ante-post markets (e.g. where
a horse is balloted or where a player doesn't line up in the first goalscorer markets); but in
general I believe BF are pretty fair and just.
I don't want BF mollycoddling me. I want them to be fair and straight and stick to their own rules.
I think that the rules around PC are iniquitous (though I have no chance of ever paying PC);
I think they have a problem with the rules about voiding runners in ante-post markets (e.g. where
a horse is balloted or where a player doesn't line up in the first goalscorer markets); but in
general I believe BF are pretty fair and just.
Good point about fallers being just a small part of the overall rip off FnId.With all the money they make,maybe the answer would be to have close to live in running on here(if possible).But to keep pushing their in running when people are using it to steal,makes them part of the theft also.
Kelly spot on,so why dont Betfair do it on football.Are they profiting from it in some way ?
Kelly spot on,so why dont Betfair do it on football.Are they profiting from it in some way ?
The warning "some transmissions described by broadcasters as live may in fact be delayed" is meaningless small print. Most punters are aware that the speed of light is not infinite but it doesn't follow that they realise they're half a furlong behind course players (not everyone reads the forum). Manipulating the delay on the flies-round-sh1te markets (described by a "skill" by the man who introduced the PC) is another thing you can hardly expect the unwashed to fathom. Naturally those who are aware would prefer these people weren't "mollycoddled". The banks feel the exact same way. "Fair and just" means "fair and just for us".
I mean Betfair to pay for the technology to have close to live on here.
The fallers debate over jumps is different to the correct score market . There are identification problems , colours problems , commentators error , plus technically In Ireland I still think faller can be remounted and win ( although not dead sure on that one ) .
Plus time factor , reckon we just thole it on grounds of impracticality .
Plus time factor , reckon we just thole it on grounds of impracticality .
If betfair had just stopped betting in running on horse racing because it was too unfair the pictures would probably be near live by now. Instead they've given all sorts of parties an incentive to keep them slow and they're not particularly bothered about themselves as they're now copping for 40-60% of the ill-gottens and ,until now, were able to distance themselves from the unsavoury goings on.
There IS A CHOICE...............simply dont use the medium if you object to the way it operates.Go back to you V the books ALL IN WIN OR LOSE...........simple.hth
Kelly if you dont know the re-mounting rules you should not be on an exchange.hth
Point taken Kelly but it would be possible to identify a faller after the race.Which is when the bets taken after the horse has fallen would be voided.Once a horse has fallen any money taken from a punter on it winning is fraud and i am sure if it went to court it would be proved to be fraud.Maybe Betfair should consider if this happened,a judge may ban all in running betting as the only sure way to stop this theft.
toronto44
The GC that use to govern betfair's IR (betfair have since moved), hade a lengthy investigation into the fairness of IR.
they concluded "nothing to see here - all seems fair"
they ignored valid suggestions to make it more transparent to punters...
one such suggestion form me...
that it be a condition of an IR licience that the opperator give the clinet a seperate Pre-off and IR statement.... so they can see where they win and lose...
the GC rejected that - infact they did not even discuss it in thier response document...
The GC that use to govern betfair's IR (betfair have since moved), hade a lengthy investigation into the fairness of IR.
they concluded "nothing to see here - all seems fair"
they ignored valid suggestions to make it more transparent to punters...
one such suggestion form me...
that it be a condition of an IR licience that the opperator give the clinet a seperate Pre-off and IR statement.... so they can see where they win and lose...
the GC rejected that - infact they did not even discuss it in thier response document...
There IS A CHOICE...............simply dont use the medium if you object to the way it operates.Go back to you V the books ALL IN WIN OR LOSE...........simple.hth
It doesn't really rscaughtboy. Presumably you'd have backed the banks if they said something similar to those who'd taken out loan insurance?
It doesn't really rscaughtboy. Presumably you'd have backed the banks if they said something similar to those who'd taken out loan insurance?
Do stakes get returned if you bet a horse after it has taken a wrong course ?
Enlighten me then rrscaughtboy re fallers in Ireland .
Apart from the fact that I seldom bet in running when the only pictures available are slow ( as they are from Ireland unless you have terrestrial RTE ). And I am not in the business of scalping faller backers , or seeking to back 1000 winners . I therefore categorise myself in the "no need to know that information camp" , but would not want to mislead others possibly .
Apart from the fact that I seldom bet in running when the only pictures available are slow ( as they are from Ireland unless you have terrestrial RTE ). And I am not in the business of scalping faller backers , or seeking to back 1000 winners . I therefore categorise myself in the "no need to know that information camp" , but would not want to mislead others possibly .
Good on you Magician for trying to change some of the ways punters are ripped off.Admire you for doing something rather than just talking about it(like me).
The gambling commission have never looked after the interests of punters.Just look at who funds them.
You would think the minimum Betfair could do would be to separate in running bets P&L.By choosing not to do anything about in running rip offs makes them part of it.This has now caught up with them and the next time there is a similar or worse problem it could bring them down.All because they have to try to squeeze the last penny out of the site and they dont care whether its an honest penny or not.
The gambling commission have never looked after the interests of punters.Just look at who funds them.
You would think the minimum Betfair could do would be to separate in running bets P&L.By choosing not to do anything about in running rip offs makes them part of it.This has now caught up with them and the next time there is a similar or worse problem it could bring them down.All because they have to try to squeeze the last penny out of the site and they dont care whether its an honest penny or not.
Just to illustrate the point , Gambhir was out in the first over against Australia for a duck , removed from the top Indian batsman ( first innings ) when Sehwag scored the first run . Can be done .
FFS Toronto if you know the rules when you sit down.......how can you be ripped off?
Ballyregan makes a valid and salient point.........i backed heavily Double Dizzy when the wrong course was taken at Chelt.Conversely I had Glens Boy on Saturday with 2 winners at 15/2 and 3/1 and Torphichen at 12/1 and a 13/2 place in an ew lucky 15 and an ew acca.
All bets off..........or just unlucky?
All bets off..........or just unlucky?
I think you are missing the point Aboy.First a lot of people on here dont read the small print and dont know they are being ripped off.If you signed a car hire agreement without reading it completely and it said you were responsible for all damage to the car before you rented it.Would you then be happy if they then stopped 2 grand from your credit card for a bent axle that was nothing to do with you.Just writing on here that we may allow you to be robbed,does not mean it is legal to then rob them.Loads of punters on here are not aware of this rip off either because they are new or they do not read the small print.
Its not as though Betfair dont make enough without inrunning.Either stop it or do everything they can to stop their members being robbed and spend some of their huge profits to get fast pictures on here.After all dont they sell the site as just punters betting with other punters.Not crooks and con men robbing and feeding off the not so shrewd members.
Its not as though Betfair dont make enough without inrunning.Either stop it or do everything they can to stop their members being robbed and spend some of their huge profits to get fast pictures on here.After all dont they sell the site as just punters betting with other punters.Not crooks and con men robbing and feeding off the not so shrewd members.
Toronto............if you can read the SMALL PRINT....1.07........the others can.
If you or others cannot........DONT USE IT?
If you or others cannot........DONT USE IT?
I will post this yet again.I posted this on their feedback site where they invite customers to join and give them feedback on things.When posted the majority agreed and even the reaserchers agreed and said it would be looked into.This was in November 2010 and yet nothing was aid about it by Betfair.Most will have saw it before as iv kept it alive as i really believe in it and some dont agree thatsfine.Again this is the original post and some points may be alittle off but yous get the gist.
After carefully reading Outsiders views on bets being matched at 1000/1 when horses have fallen,we as punters should be asking the question when is a bet a bet.
Bookmakers have to trade under the rules that if there is the scenario where a bet is placed but no customer can win then all bets are viod,ie if all horses fall in a race (no finnishers) its a void race and all bets refunded,now when it was allowed that jockeys could remount and complete the course then someone betting 1000/1 shot always had the possibility that all horses could fall and their be remounted and win as shown in the video link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnE-q5rOEKQ&playnext=1&list=PLCCCAD3C28AA5EB99&index=39
In my opinion since the rules have changed and jockeys can no longer remount due to animal welfare issues Betfair are in grave danger of breaking the law by allowing someone to lose money on something that cant actually win,and this has happened to me where having slower pictures/connection iv placed an in play bet been matched at 1000/1 after the horse has fallen and had no chance of winning,NOT EVEN A 1000/1 chance in fact NOT EVEN A 1000000/1 chance.
Now the question has to be asked are these bets 1st of all morally right and second of all legally right and shouldnt Betfair be protecting what i would have to call vulnerable people by voiding all bets matched on outcomes that cant possibly win.
I personally dont know what kind of licence Betfair have but in a bookmakers licence 1 of the main points is what will you do to protect VULNERABLE members of the public.Now in a meeting i had with the guy from the Gambling Commission he explained to me that can cover anything from mental health problems to excessive drinking to people who you think may have a serious gambling problem and i can assure you that bookies have to go to extensive lengths to convince them before getting a licence.
Now here is my point,if someone is getting pictures direct from the course and someone else is watching it live from Betfairs feed(10 seconds delay roughly) and a horse they placed a bet on falls just before they place the bet(within the 10 seconds)isnt the person with the time delay now vulnerable to the person without the time delay because they have been matched on a bet that now cant possibly win,whereas before the rules changed thet bet in theory could still win as shown above?
I think Betfair seriously need to address this and also take a serious look at the how many goals will there be in a game at football because when it goes 1-0 to a team 1 or more goals cant possibly lose however people can still lay it at 1.01 as there is always money waiting to bet it,i know you would have to be full daft to do this but again someone could do it and claim they were vulnerable or didnt fully understand the rules etc however they should never have been able to lose money where they couldnt possibly win no matter what the outcome was.
Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this and especially someone from Betfairs side.
After carefully reading Outsiders views on bets being matched at 1000/1 when horses have fallen,we as punters should be asking the question when is a bet a bet.
Bookmakers have to trade under the rules that if there is the scenario where a bet is placed but no customer can win then all bets are viod,ie if all horses fall in a race (no finnishers) its a void race and all bets refunded,now when it was allowed that jockeys could remount and complete the course then someone betting 1000/1 shot always had the possibility that all horses could fall and their be remounted and win as shown in the video link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnE-q5rOEKQ&playnext=1&list=PLCCCAD3C28AA5EB99&index=39
In my opinion since the rules have changed and jockeys can no longer remount due to animal welfare issues Betfair are in grave danger of breaking the law by allowing someone to lose money on something that cant actually win,and this has happened to me where having slower pictures/connection iv placed an in play bet been matched at 1000/1 after the horse has fallen and had no chance of winning,NOT EVEN A 1000/1 chance in fact NOT EVEN A 1000000/1 chance.
Now the question has to be asked are these bets 1st of all morally right and second of all legally right and shouldnt Betfair be protecting what i would have to call vulnerable people by voiding all bets matched on outcomes that cant possibly win.
I personally dont know what kind of licence Betfair have but in a bookmakers licence 1 of the main points is what will you do to protect VULNERABLE members of the public.Now in a meeting i had with the guy from the Gambling Commission he explained to me that can cover anything from mental health problems to excessive drinking to people who you think may have a serious gambling problem and i can assure you that bookies have to go to extensive lengths to convince them before getting a licence.
Now here is my point,if someone is getting pictures direct from the course and someone else is watching it live from Betfairs feed(10 seconds delay roughly) and a horse they placed a bet on falls just before they place the bet(within the 10 seconds)isnt the person with the time delay now vulnerable to the person without the time delay because they have been matched on a bet that now cant possibly win,whereas before the rules changed thet bet in theory could still win as shown above?
I think Betfair seriously need to address this and also take a serious look at the how many goals will there be in a game at football because when it goes 1-0 to a team 1 or more goals cant possibly lose however people can still lay it at 1.01 as there is always money waiting to bet it,i know you would have to be full daft to do this but again someone could do it and claim they were vulnerable or didnt fully understand the rules etc however they should never have been able to lose money where they couldnt possibly win no matter what the outcome was.
Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this and especially someone from Betfairs side.
Its frightening to see just how many people are writing on this forum about this and the above was what i originally wrote over a year ago before all this stuff happened(its scarily similar).Imo it was only a matter of time before someone challenged them over it and possibly is only a matter of time before someone challenges them legally over it because if you cant win you shouldnt be able to lose and the main ingredient is Betfairs greed to leave the scenario there so they can allow people to green up and bet more and pay more commission.
If you don't like rules don't play the game, take your business elsewhere.
I am sure the local bokkies will be happy to take your cash with no commission added.
I am sure the local bokkies will be happy to take your cash with no commission added.
FFS...........stop gambling yooooqwhunts.I dont need your money but stop giving it away.
Patiently get some for yourself..........FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Patiently get some for yourself..........FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
I know this is probably stating the obvious but here goes. A large slice of the money matched at 999-1 in running on horse racing is matched by bots. The bots are simply skimming machines and don't really care what has happened in a race as they are simply a mathematical calculator.
The real "thieving" by the track players is done at a lot less than 999-1 and that is a fact.
The real "thieving" by the track players is done at a lot less than 999-1 and that is a fact.
im pretty sure its illegal to lay bets on events that cannot happen or you cannot win.
therefore in real-time if you bet on a horse that has already fallen and your horse cannot be remounted then you can't possible win it is actually againt the law.
but im sure betfair have done their homework on this one and have it all covered.
lets be frank if your silly enough to bet in-running on an internet feed then you probably deserve to lose. the same can be said for correct score in the football arguement
therefore in real-time if you bet on a horse that has already fallen and your horse cannot be remounted then you can't possible win it is actually againt the law.
but im sure betfair have done their homework on this one and have it all covered.
lets be frank if your silly enough to bet in-running on an internet feed then you probably deserve to lose. the same can be said for correct score in the football arguement
folk are asking how betfair would know exactly when a horse has fallen.
of course they know exactly when it happened.
it happened just a second before all the crooks priced it at 1000 on here.
of course they know exactly when it happened.
it happened just a second before all the crooks priced it at 1000 on here.
Hmmm, you see a horse at 999/1 during a race.....you back it without 'researching the bet'. Was this a wise move?
Hmmm, you're playing in-running. A horse went off at 20-1 in an eight horse race but you put up a bet at 100-1 feeling that this is the odds of the horse winning the race. The bet is matched because the horse falls. It seems your assessment of 100-1 was correct.
Hmmm, you're playing in-running. A horse went off at 20-1 in an eight horse race but you put up a bet at 100-1 feeling that this is the odds of the horse winning the race. The bet is matched because the horse falls. It seems your assessment of 100-1 was correct.
By the way, does anyone remember when Thommo called the wrong faller and for around 2 minutes, several punters were crapping their pants as the horse they laid at 999-1 was still in the race? 
If a match starts but is later abandoned or postponed and is not completed (i.e. 90 minutes of play according to the match officials, plus any stoppage time) within three days of the scheduled start date, all bets will be void except for those on markets which have been unconditionally determined.
Some good points on the thread , but thats the reason that for instance correct score markets cant be adjusted until the games deemed over.
Some good points on the thread , but thats the reason that for instance correct score markets cant be adjusted until the games deemed over.
What really annoys me and what happened today.....
I laid a horse, it it fell during the 2 second delay and my automated back bet of £14.95 was matched after the horse fell at 1000.0, this gave me a green off/cash out figure of £19.94 - of course you can't place a bet less than £1 without first backing at 1000.0 for £1 (i'm sure most of you know how less than min bets work) - This made it impossible to green/cash out..... I was stuck with just £5.24 even though I still had about 2 mins to green up/cash out £19.94 - That's the dirty part, I was robbed of £13.50!
Shame the odds don't go up to 100000.0 to allow punters to close of on fallers or have no minimum bet after you have already placed a bet to solve this problem!
I laid a horse, it it fell during the 2 second delay and my automated back bet of £14.95 was matched after the horse fell at 1000.0, this gave me a green off/cash out figure of £19.94 - of course you can't place a bet less than £1 without first backing at 1000.0 for £1 (i'm sure most of you know how less than min bets work) - This made it impossible to green/cash out..... I was stuck with just £5.24 even though I still had about 2 mins to green up/cash out £19.94 - That's the dirty part, I was robbed of £13.50!
Shame the odds don't go up to 100000.0 to allow punters to close of on fallers or have no minimum bet after you have already placed a bet to solve this problem!
1000 shots do win on occasions so would always be subjective when to suspend , thinking on instances in T20 when game over but called back for a no-ball.
Also 1000 shots are used to free money up quicker in small numbered events , sounds daft but it happens.
Know a couple of guys who NEVER bet but stick 1.01 up which have already cast iron won , you'd be amazed how many want to see green quicker than it's settled and quite happy to give 1% of winnings in return.
Also 1000 shots are used to free money up quicker in small numbered events , sounds daft but it happens.
Know a couple of guys who NEVER bet but stick 1.01 up which have already cast iron won , you'd be amazed how many want to see green quicker than it's settled and quite happy to give 1% of winnings in return.
of course you can't place a bet less than £1
ewe khan put 10p on.
ewe khan put 10p on.
put £1 on at a price ewe wont be matched..
change it to £1.1..submit
now ewe have 2 bets
£1
0.10p
change it to £1.1..submit
now ewe have 2 bets
£1
0.10p
Rico-Dangleflaps • February 1, 2024 8:38 PM GMT
put £1 on at a price ewe wont be matched..
change it to £1.1..submit
now ewe have 2 bets
£1
0.10p
He wanted to back for less than £1 when the back price was already 1000 which can't be done.
put £1 on at a price ewe wont be matched..
change it to £1.1..submit
now ewe have 2 bets
£1
0.10p
He wanted to back for less than £1 when the back price was already 1000 which can't be done.
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