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I've no faith in him as he makes too many mistakes, can't seem to judge the pace of a race either gives them to much to do or goes too early. I think Paul will be on the lookout for another Jockey.
fav backers pocket talking, has this ever happened before?!!
You must be in the Jockey's union or a Jockey's agent. Tell me I'm wrong
agent yeah. i thought being george bakers youd know me?
He hasnt the experience for the job or to be honest the talent.Quite a long list for this job preceeds him.
And anyone who asks who? doesnt watch racing.
And anyone who asks who? doesnt watch racing.
"Should of"
Says all you need to know about this excuse of a thread.
Says all you need to know about this excuse of a thread.
rev is just a nobhead george never has an opinion b4 a race
dave, am i getting to you the horse was off for 500+ days and nicholls rightly says many of his are needing the run. any clues why theyre not finishing off their races? fookin jockeys eh
the horse was off for 500+ days and nicholls rightly says many of his are needing the run. any clues why theyre not finishing off their races? fookin jockeys eh
195 consecutive days of profit reve,the magic 200 looming,have you built the swimming pool yet?
dont be making dave here jealous, success stories are not what he wants to hear in times of financial and mental struggle
As DJ has ridden RDS's namesake once or twice I suggest he knows one or two more things about the rider than some gonk like you.
crawford, just for clarification, i have never been ridden by dj i wouldnt want dave here getting more excited than he is already
i wouldnt want dave here getting more excited than he is already
6 replies in 9 years then he replies to GAY ICON!!!!Oh Trevor
The thread is rubbish. He would not have beaten Drumbaloo no matter what. Do you have an agenda.
nicholls should use felix de giles a very promising rider.
I suppose someone will suggest he should have won the last also. What is more I doubt if Paul Nicholls need much advice from forumites on which jockey he should utilize. Of course everyone here is entitled to voice their opinion.
DJ is a very good jockey,Gay Icon has cited every jockey riding this season.
What does that indicate iyo?
What does that indicate iyo?
Anybody posting,"Should of" instead of "should have" is immediately wrong,imo.
Nap Arkle.
I am somewhat at a loss to explain the absence of fraudboy on the OPs threads,would seem to be tailor made for his support.
I am somewhat at a loss to explain the absence of fraudboy on the OPs threads,would seem to be tailor made for his support.
Nicholls uses too many poor jockeys , all these amateurs ?? I guess there must be a method in the great mans madness. He used to put Joe Tizzard up all the time before he became a decent jockey, then Sam Thomas too....
I find all that slightly ironic, coming from you, Fred...
I agree with you racing star . You will find a large proportion of the characters on here are semi illiterate or semi literate , depending on whether you prefer to describe your glass as half full or half empty . Incidentally , be careful with your punctuation. There should not be a comma after the word "posting " in your comment. 
Does the fact that he's 2nd jockey suggest that he's riding 2nd string or 2nd meeting horses and that has something to do with it?
Anything trained by Nicholls tends to go off shorter than its real chance and the horse has run 8 times and gone off favourite for 5 of them and yet only won twice, once at 2/1 2F and 11/10F. It's been beaten at 5/2F, 2/7F, 6/4F and this time at 9/4F and beaten too at 5/2 2F.......maybe it's just not very good.
Daryl Jacob has shown on horses like The listener and Reve de Sivola that he's good enough as long as the horse is too.
Anything trained by Nicholls tends to go off shorter than its real chance and the horse has run 8 times and gone off favourite for 5 of them and yet only won twice, once at 2/1 2F and 11/10F. It's been beaten at 5/2F, 2/7F, 6/4F and this time at 9/4F and beaten too at 5/2 2F.......maybe it's just not very good.
Daryl Jacob has shown on horses like The listener and Reve de Sivola that he's good enough as long as the horse is too.
DJ is one of the more well rounded jocks out there. Sure he makes mistakes like they all do but riding better than Ruby right now over chases on the whole. I don't watch the hurdle races to comment.
Daryl is one of the most improved jockeys. He improved all the time at Nick Williams and will continue to improve with Paul Nicholls. A great guy who will ride to instructions.
Daryl is one of the most improved jockeys. He improved all the time at Nick Williams and will continue to improve with Paul Nicholls. A great guy who will ride to instructions.
If Nichols had Fehily and Jacob riding all his good horses he would not miss Ruby assuming Fehily could stay healthy.
and ruby does fall off horses more than those other two
riding better than Ruby ?? a comment like that can only be taken seriously with evidence and proper research . I can neither find it nor see it . Please gents , we need more evidence when confronted by a more controversial comment . Also , the 2nd meeting horses , as mased puts it , are by definition given its a secondary meeting , often facing horses of lesser ability so I don't feel that argument holds any water . Ruby wants to ride the best horses in the stable at the best meetings for the biggest prize money . He also faces the best adversaries . It is not a measure of their chance in any particular race . What I can see is illustrated very well in Jacob's ride yesterday in the handicap . He switched the horse inside and out at least 3 times . He began his run then stopped it and waited . The horse hit at least 2 hurdles and bumped sharply into another horse causing imbalance for a few strides . I am not saying the horses very ordinary jumping was his fault necessarily . I am saying he could have contributed .
Considering the hoss you are talking about is due a fencing campaign, it jumped like a drunk yesterday..
Pablo - jockeys all make mistakes. Look at Rubys ride on Gansey saturday. One could say too wide, too far back. Never gave it a chance.
Hard to judge jockeys on a small sample size but watch all chases in detail and whilst acknowledging Ruby is a great horseman he just rides them too wide for me. Maybe his geometry is not so good or he's lost his bottle to go up the inside. Either way over fences he's riding too many bad(ish) races for a top flight jock IMO. Don't get me wrong Ruby has given the most perfect rides of all time for me His ride on Poquelin in the 09 B0ylesports was just about the most perfect ride any jockey could ever give. But given his ability for me he is taking the "safe" route too often.
As for Jacob he's a great horseman too. To settle Tataniano like that in front takes good hands and he got it jumping in good rhythm. Another case where a horse improves for Jacob is Douryna. Just check out his form and more importantly how much better he jumped for Jacob than any of his other riders. The guy is good simple as. I reserve my comment for chases as don't watch hurdles.
Hard to judge jockeys on a small sample size but watch all chases in detail and whilst acknowledging Ruby is a great horseman he just rides them too wide for me. Maybe his geometry is not so good or he's lost his bottle to go up the inside. Either way over fences he's riding too many bad(ish) races for a top flight jock IMO. Don't get me wrong Ruby has given the most perfect rides of all time for me His ride on Poquelin in the 09 B0ylesports was just about the most perfect ride any jockey could ever give. But given his ability for me he is taking the "safe" route too often.
As for Jacob he's a great horseman too. To settle Tataniano like that in front takes good hands and he got it jumping in good rhythm. Another case where a horse improves for Jacob is Douryna. Just check out his form and more importantly how much better he jumped for Jacob than any of his other riders. The guy is good simple as. I reserve my comment for chases as don't watch hurdles.
Yes the Nicholls second meeting horses are facing poorer opponents but the thing is they are also poor horses themselves anyway and most of the field are much of a muchness and anything can win. You can maybe even argue that if the majority of trainers in those second meetings are small trainers that can give their horse far more attention and focus than a lesser light at a big stable will get.
I can't really see as much going into a Nicholls runner in a lowly hurdle compared to some of their big runners going elsewhere. You can also argue too that in many of the big races bar the festivals, that there are only a handful of horses at the most with a reasonable chance of winning, as some are just there to make up the numbers and other trainers can tend to avoid big name rivals until they have to meet them later on in the season.
The horse yesterday clearly isn't one of Nicholls's better ones after taking five attempts to win its maiden hurdle at Newton Abbott and did it really deserve to go off 9/4F on the strength of that?
I can't really see as much going into a Nicholls runner in a lowly hurdle compared to some of their big runners going elsewhere. You can also argue too that in many of the big races bar the festivals, that there are only a handful of horses at the most with a reasonable chance of winning, as some are just there to make up the numbers and other trainers can tend to avoid big name rivals until they have to meet them later on in the season.
The horse yesterday clearly isn't one of Nicholls's better ones after taking five attempts to win its maiden hurdle at Newton Abbott and did it really deserve to go off 9/4F on the strength of that?
2 better more succinct replies from guru and mazed..thankyou...........guru , i do remember the ride on poquelin ....masterful indeed. More currently , the ride that Ruby gave the often sulking De Valera last week in Ireland to beat a Russell ridden o'leary owned odds on fav was superb...he cajoled , kidded and coaxed the horse into the race..it wasnt produced in any way until close to the final fence and Ruby got up by the minimum margin on the rails . I differ with you in your assessment of the reason that Ruby often chooses the country route . There is more than one way of skinning a cat and going the shortest route as you are no doubt aware , is not always the best plan . Ruby sits as quiet as a church mouse and his horses often dont realise they are in a race until a very late stage . Of course I am not arguing that Jacob is inept and making mistakes is a characteristic of all humans no matter the discipline. I merely wished that you explain the " JACOB IS RIDING BETTER THAN RUBY " remark.
Mazed , your comment about Nicholls not putting as much into his lesser lights is something that I am sure Mr Nicholls would contest . I have been to Ditcheat and his preparation for every horse , no matter the ability is exceptional . Perhaps this is one reason of many that he is champion trainer . Just listen to his interviews . He seems to know about the current well being of every animal in his stable. I thought the 9/4 was reasonable in a weak event and it ran well and just failed . I certainly would in general agree with the assertion that in smaller races there is a lot of dead wood with little or no chance. By definition , those races would usually be where there isnt a level playing field i.e no handicapper giving all some sort of chance. However I am sure the handicapper would take exception to that remark in all handicaps , regardless of the class !!!
Mazed , your comment about Nicholls not putting as much into his lesser lights is something that I am sure Mr Nicholls would contest . I have been to Ditcheat and his preparation for every horse , no matter the ability is exceptional . Perhaps this is one reason of many that he is champion trainer . Just listen to his interviews . He seems to know about the current well being of every animal in his stable. I thought the 9/4 was reasonable in a weak event and it ran well and just failed . I certainly would in general agree with the assertion that in smaller races there is a lot of dead wood with little or no chance. By definition , those races would usually be where there isnt a level playing field i.e no handicapper giving all some sort of chance. However I am sure the handicapper would take exception to that remark in all handicaps , regardless of the class !!!
Pablo - don't get me wrong I don't think Ruby is bad or anything but guess its my mathematics background, circumference = 2πr and all that. Just loses too much ground going wide pretty much all the time. Jacob on the whole does not take the scenic route nearly as much and given I think both have good hands, settle horses well I'd choose Jacob over Walsh. Fehily is better than both of them IMO but doesn't get nearly the chances he should. His ride on Fine Parchment the other day was beautiful even if he did get outstayed.
Yes i already knew from your reasoned debate that you think Ruby is a good jockey . After all , it would be nigh on impossible to argue against that ! I like Fehily too .....Noel has been generally wasted on Jonjo's second strings over the years . It is when all is said and done , almost impossible to prove that one good jockey is better than another in national hunt racing , unless of course we mention AP ...a freak of nature the like of which we will never see again.
Racingguru - I think the wide route on Gansey may have been to let the horse see his fences. The horse habitually makes an error (as he did, even when taking the wide route, on Saturday). Dropping him out also seems fine to me because he is a known puller. Obviously you want to get some cover for keen horses, but burying a horse who makes errors is not a great idea possibly. I think Ruby may be lacking a bit of confidence given his various injuries, and it is sensible now he is getting on a bit, to cut back on the rubbish, but I want to see much more evidence before I accept he is showing signs of deterioration. Everyone on here knows I am not a big fan of Jacob (who is young, can learn from the master, and so should improve) so I'll not comment on him.
Pablo - I think I agree with virtually everything you have said on here!
Btw, we all remember Poquelin in the **** but what about his ride on Poquelin in his seasonal reappearance in '09?! Joking of course!
Btw, we all remember Poquelin in the **** but what about his ride on Poquelin in his seasonal reappearance in '09?! Joking of course!
yes carver ....that is exactly it .......nobody has given enough evidence to suggest Ruby is now a back number . Of course we can select individual races . Ruby is by nature very self effacing and critical and he would probably agree with us . ha ha yes....Poquelin was one of my favourite animals from this stable so I do get your humour . I tend to agree that Jacob is not up to the high profile job but analysis of jocks isnt an exact science as we all know . However its refreshing to see a debate where we dont have throw away comments like "rubbish " , cant ride " and other meaningless drivel !
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