AUSTRALIAN GREATS and SIRES/DAMS from Australia?

Still waiting for Antipodean participation and an explanation why they think they have the best printers in the world?

Phar Lap - Winner 1930

The name Phar Lap is derived from a Thai phrase meaning 'lightning' and, true to his name, he was one of the fastest horses in Australia’s racing history. Phar Lap was foaled in Timaru in New Zealand in 1926 and came to Australia where he raced from the ages of two to five years.

He stood a mighty 17.1 hands tall (approximately 1.75 metres high to the highest point on his back where his neck and back join) and was able to gallop at speeds of over 60 km per hour. But more importantly than this, at a time when Australia was suffering the disastrous financial and social crisis known as the Great Depression, Phar Lap became the hero of the nation. Like other battlers, Phar Lap was slow to show his real ability but with persistence, he became one of the most successful racehorses. From 51 starts, Phar Lap secured 37 wins, three second place runs and two third place runs, with 14 in succession in the 1930–31 racing season.

Phar Lap was proving to be the major contender in the lead-up to the Racing Carnival of 1930. Affectionately known as the ‘Red Terror’, he was favoured to win the 1930 Melbourne Cup. However, some people stood to lose a lot of money if Phar Lap won the race. During his preparation and track work for the Cup, he was attacked. As his strapper Tommy Woodcock, was leading Phar Lap back to his stables with another pony, Tommy sensed something was wrong and led them down a side street, pushing Phar Lap against a fence. Moments later a car came around the corner and gunshots were fired. Luckily neither Tommy nor the horses were hit.

After that, Phar Lap’s trainer Harry Telford was not prepared to take any chances and kept him in secret stables; he even dressed another horse in his rug to trick would-be attackers. The drama continued as the truck transporting Phar Lap to the Melbourne Cup had engine troubles and had difficulty getting started. However, Phar Lap finally arrived at Flemington with a police motorcycle escort and entered the race as favourite.

The crowd of over 72,000 cheered to a deafening roar as the horses began to race. Despite Phar Lap carrying a weight of 9 st 12 lb (62.5 kg) – a very heavy weight for a four-year-old horse – he managed to win the race by three lengths. The next year he ran again but had to carry nearly a stone more and this time the weight was too much.

Following his Australian career, Phar Lap was taken to Mexico to run the richest race in the world, the Agua Caliente Handicap in Tijuana. Phar Lap’s fame rose to international status as he beat a field of the world’s best racehorses by two lengths in record time.

Sadly, however, just weeks later, Tommy found Phar Lap in a distressed state and the horse soon died from what was initially thought to be a case of severe colic. People were shocked and dismayed as the news of the ‘Red Terror’s’ death spread to Australia, and soon rumours of poisoning were circulated. Experts still argue over the cause. Recent research indicates that Phar Lap died from an accidental overdose of arsenic, possibly contained in a tonic.

PAR LAP - Racing Records

Breeding: foaled 26.10.1926, Sire: Night Raid, Dam: Entreaty
Prize money £56,425    Prize money $US 50,050
Owner: David Davis
Trainers: Harry Telford, Tommy Woodcock
Record: 51 Starts  37 Wins  3 Seconds  2 Thirds  9 Unplaced

 
DATE     PLACE     RACE     GROUP     DISTANCE     CLUB
                   

At Two
Years                    
23.02.1929     last     Nursery Handicap     Handicap     5 1/2 furlongs     Rosehill
02.03.1929     seventh     Two Year Old Handicap     Handicap     5 furlongs     Hawkesbury
16.03.1929     not in first eight     Nursery Handicap     Handicap     6 furlongs     Rosehill
01.04.1929     eighth     Easter Stakes         7 furlongs     Randwick
27.04.1929     first     Maiden Juvenile Handicap     Handicap     6 furlongs     Rosehill

At Three
Years                    
03.08.1929     midfield     Denham Court Handicap     Handicap     6 furlongs     Warwick Farm
17.08.1929     fourth     Three Year Old Handicap     Handicap     7 furlongs     Rosehill
14.08.1929     eighth     Three And Four Year Old Handicap     Handicap     7 furlongs     Rosehill
31.08.1929     fourth     Warwick Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Warwick Farm
14.09.1929     second     Tattersall's Chelmsford Stakes     WFA     9 furlongs     Randwick
21.09.1929     first     Rosehill Guineas     Set Weights     9 furlongs     Rosehill
05.10.1929     first     AJC Derby     Set Weights     1 1/2 miles     Randwick
09.10.1929     first     Craven Plate     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Randwick
02.11.1929     first     Victoria Derby     Set Weights     1 1/2 miles     Flemington
05.11.1929     third     Melbourne Cup     Open Handicap     2 miles     Flemington
15.02.1930     third     St George Stakes     WFA     9 furlongs     Caulfield
01.03.1930     first     St Leger Stakes     Set Weights     1 3/4 miles     Flemington
06.03.1930     first     Governor's Plate     WFA     1 1/2 miles     Flemington
08.03.1930     first     King's Plate     WFA     2 miles     Flemington
12.04.1930     first     Chipping Norton Stakes     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Warwick Farm
19.04.1930     first     St Leger     Set Weights     1 3/4 miles     Randwick
23.04.1930     first     Cumberland Stakes     WFA     1 3/4 miles     Randwick
26.04.1930     first     AJC Plate     WFA     2 1/4 miles     Randwick
10.05.1930     first     Elder Stakes     WFA     9 furlongs     Morhettville
17.05.1930     first     King's Cup     QLTY Handicap     1 1/2 miles     Morphettville

At Four
Years                    
30.08.1930     second     Warwick Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Warwick Farm
13.09.1930     first     Tatterstall's Chelmsford Stakes     WFA     9 furlongs     Randwick
20.09.1930     first     Hill Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Rosehill
04.10.1930     first     Spring Stakes     WFA     1 1/2 miles     Randwick
08.10.1930     first     Craven Plate     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Randwick
11.10.1930     first     Randwick Plate     WFA     2 miles     Randwick
25.10.1930     first     WS Cox Plate     WFA     9 1/2 furlongs     Moonee Valley
01.11.1930     first     Melbourne Stakes     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Flemington
04.11.1930     first     Melbourne Cup     Open Handicap     2 miles     Flemington
06.11.1930     first     Linlithgow Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Flemington
08.11.1930     first     CB Fisher Plate     WFA     1 1/2 miles     Flemington
14.02.1931     first     St George Stakes     WFA     9 furlongs     Caulfield
21.02.1931     first     Futurity Stakes     WFA     7 furlongs     Caulfield
28.02.1931     first     Essendon Stakes     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Flemington
04.03.1931     first     King's Plate     WFA     1 1/2 miles     Flemington
07.03.1931     second     CM Lloyd Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Flemington

At Five
Years                    
25.08.1931     first     Underwood Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Williamstown
05.09.1931     first     Memsie Stakes     WFA     9 furlongs     Caulfield
19.09.1931     first     Hill Stakes     WFA     1 mile     Rosehill
03.10.1931     first     Spring Stakes     WFA     1 1/2 miles     Randwick
07.10.1931     first     Craven Plate     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Randwick
10.10.1931     first     Randwick Plate     WFA     2 miles     Randwick
24.10.1931     first     WS Cox Plate     WFA     9 1/2 furlongs     Moonee Valley
31.10.1931     first     Melbourne Stakes     WFA     1 1/4 miles     Flemington
01.11.1931     eighth     Melbourne Cup     Open Handicap     2 miles     Flemington
20.03.1932     first     Agua Caliente Handicap     Set Weights     1 1/2 miles     Tijuana, Mexico

Phar Lap died on 5 April 1932 just after 2 pm at Menlo Park near San Francisco, USA

Nice AFL,not Aus though,you may have guessed over the last decade I am a Phar Lap fan.

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Ready Salted zilzal?

NOT Australian ???? NOT Australian????

Phar Lap was a Naturalised Australian, under the Equine Naturalisation Programme introduced to Parliament in 1929 by the famous Labor politician Freddy Fingleton AKA "Blind Freddy".

Please study your history.

EIGHT CARAT – the grand dam of Theme Song ranks as the only mare ever to produce five individual Group One winners. Such is her influence that this success is breeding on through both her sons and her daughters. She is now the first, second or third dam of thirteen Group One winners. Two of her sons have sired Group One winners; and three of her daughters & three of her grand daughters have already left Group One winners. This is Australasia’s most popular & commercial family, regularly producing the top price yearling of the year. In fact the top price yearling ever at NZ$3.6million is her grand son Don Eduardo, who is a Group One winner.

Eight Carat was unplaced herself as a racehorse but is a half sister to the champion Habibti, one of the greatest female sprinters of all time. Eight Carat is also a half sister to Kreisler, a very successful sire in NZ. Her sire Pieces of Eight was a stakes winner of the Eclipse S-G1 & the Champion S-G1, and was by Relic from a mare by the influential Dante. Eight Carat’s dam line traces directly to Lady Josephine and is one of the most influential stallion-producing female lines in history. Her third dam is a half sister to Royal Charger, and her fourth dam is a half sister to Nasrullah. This is also the direct female line of the great sires Fair Trial, Mahmoud, Prince Taj, Abernant, Kalamoun, & Tudor Minstrel

24 carat AD,now bring on the "Aus" blood in any single horse,never mind thoroughbred.

Add American to that ala "American bred".rofl

Bletchingly produced a few decent wons.

BM Bletchley is still classified.hth

spot on, careless talk costs lives innit

Quite interesting that regarding Phar Lap's form as the horse seemed to improve with age, yet when Deacon Blues was pointed out as a possible rival to Black Caviar, we have the Aussies saying how he only won his maiden group races this season.

It seems only Aussie horses are allowed to improve with age.

No Antipodeans yet?

Simple explanation Megsy & co?

glentoby....umm your 2nd best miler Excelebration is by australian speed sire Exceed and Excel

if frankel wasnt around it would be Excelebration this and Excelebration that.


your a fcuking dropkick mate...shows the ego you have, probably a fat **** slobbering all over your computer thinking its amusing hanging shyt on australians....karma biatch.

name the last 5 world champion sprinters and their breading....simple....says no more.

breeding

Right because horse racing is only about sprinters and the world consists of Australia......keep enjoying those cherries.

ima_mazed66 ...het moron...the first question was.

Still waiting for Antipodean participation and an explanation why they think they have the best [b]printers in the world?[/b]

firstly we dont breed printers. 2ndly moron, i replied

name the last 5 world champion sprinters and their breading....simple....says no more.

and again...thats breeding

What's a "het" moron megsy? Did you perhaps mean "the" moron?

If you are going to pull people on their typos then you had better make sure your don't have any yourself mate.......I'm sure even you though could work out that printers was meant to be sprinters.......and then you add breading instead of breeding just for good measure. Oops.

And yes I knew what the specific question was but my response was you seem to desperately cling on to sprinters as if they are the only kind of races out there. Oh and by the way, these best horse in the world claims are a bit pointless really until each significant country puts up their best to race against each other and that's not really ever likely to happen.

het = hey...moron

2003,2004,2005 world ratings champion sprinter silent witness (AUS)
2007, 2008,2009 world rating champion sprinter Sacred kingdon (AUS)
20010, 2011  world rating champion sprinter  Black Caviar (AUS)

poor take over target had 8 starts in england and was aged 8yrs, 9yrs and 10 years of age in his 3 ventures to england, he was either beaten by another australian horse or a american sprinter.


what dont you understand?? your own racing peers were part of the  judging?? same who have Frankel at the top end of ratings, you want to dispute that too??...of cause not !!!

read it and weep

Proves my point then if it's all about ratings and not what the horses do against others from other countries, considering it's supposed to be a "world" thing and horses like Silent Witness (AUS) not only didn't race outside of another country for its first 18 races but didn't even do so on any other track but Sha tin for them. Then first time away from there it got beaten into 3rd. It then also failed to win any of its final 9 races despite 8 of them being at Sha tin. If you can't see the the flaws in naming any horse that does that as a world champion then there really is no hope for you.

Sacred Kingdom, would that be the one that finished 4½L behind in 5th here in the Golden Jubilee Stakes behind 3 of ours and one from South Africa and ended its career just about winning half of its races? The winner that day was Art Connoisseur and that one only ever ran 4 more times after that, finishing 12th of 13 (beaten 20L), 15th of 16 (beaten 17½L), 12th of 14 (beaten 18L) and 11th of 14 (beaten 9L) and had a winning career record of 4 wins from 11 starts......top class form eh?

As I've said elsewhere I've never said anything negative about Black Caviar and what she has done but it's only fair to point out she's doing it in one country only and would have to do it elsewhere or other countries send their top horses over and she beats them for it to have a bit more credibility to label her a world champion. By the way, if she had only won half of her races would she still be a "world champion" too?

I've also previously said that I personally think the ratings are largely pointless and so the same applies to Frankel (I'm not really that keen of cherries) although it is worth pointing out that he has beaten horses from Ireland, France and Japan and that other horses he has beaten have gone to other countries and like Ireland, France and Germany and won Gr1s to frank the form.

As for takeover Target's career here, after it won it was beaten by Miss Andretti and also:

Les Arc x 2 - UK trained, USA prefix
Soldier's Tale - UK trained, USA prefix
Equiano - Spain trained, FR prefix
Kingsgate Native - UK trained, IRE prefix
Fleeting Spirit - UK trained, IRE prefix

So let me see, either you are wrong here about the only being beaten by other Aussie or American sprinters or you are trying to suggest its the letters that come with the horse's name that count. If that's what you mean, surely then So You Think is a NZ horse and with its sire being High Chaparral (IRE) and dam Triassic (NZ) what claims exactly did Australia have on him then?......Unless of course you are being hypocritical once more and want the best of both worlds when it suits.

words cant describe you , seriously...enjoy your life...bye.

back to Excelebration??? ...and?

Note to anyone just joining this thread.....all of the above is pathetic bullsh!t....please dont waste your time reading it (megsy, try to ignore the trolls, mate)

Maybe you can point out the inaccurate "bullshit" parts then duncan idaho.

Just because something is not appealing to you doesn't stop it from still being the case.

lol A lot of Antipodean seething.Btw Megsy PRINTERS was intended to wind you up as we are well aware you think you have the best sprinters and probably think you have top printers as well.

Printers and sprinters probably have something in common in Aus,all your sires and dams originated from UK bloodlines.So you see,you have nothing that is actually Australian by origin.

There hasn't been a great Austrailian racehorse,sire or dam but i have to say that there has been some truly great Australian Jockeys.

Scobie Breasley and Ganet Bougoure had no peers imo.

Granted it stared to go downhill from Brent Thomson onwards but nether the less i can't think of two many countries that have produced as many top class Jockeys.

Most of us aussie's are irish or scottish if you go back far enough (just 2-3 generations and most people will have countless ties).

So i'm not sure how far you want to keep going back with racing tbh. Once the horse is bred in the country (regardless of what it was out of) then it is that country imo.

And for all intents and purposes good kiwi's are aussie's.

It's like this with the kiwi's. Australian actor russel crowe once won an oscar and New Zealand actor russel crowe was arrested at his hotel in New York.

Yup...Phar Lap........NZ.

He's Australian.

Didn't you read my example? He fits in the Oscar category, obviously!

Could have been a good thread....ruined by jingoism and petty sniping.

I agree tommyjane but according to megsy when Takeover Target came here he was either beaten by another australian horse or a(sic) american sprinter. because all the UK trained horses that beat him had (USA) after their name......although he is obviously ignoring the ones that had (IRE) plus the ones that although might not have won the races still finished ahead of TT anyway, horses like Iffraaj, Amadeus Wolf and Main Aim. African Rose finished ahead of him too but I would consider that to be a French horse seeing as it was trained by Mme C Head-Maarek.

I suppose if I really wanted to split hairs I could also point out that TT came over here 4 times and not 3 as he claimed and was aged 7 when he first came over.

Brother Mouzone
25 Oct 11 00:16

Bletchingly produced a few decent wons.



^The thread highlight right there

The best Aussie printers are of Asian origin,arregedry.

Btw brother mouz,a prog on BBC 2 about Bletchley Park code breakers tonight.Do you think they could break the Aussie code of thoroughbred breeding?

Cheers, I'll watch that, there's too many channels to keep up with hear so I end up missing everything

I think they'd need more than maths student and GPO engineer to crack the inner workings of an oz breeding shed.

The only upside on my visit is watching a bit of tv in peace,back to RAI 1 & 2 from Thursday.

The Real Housewives Of Sardinia could be diff gravy

That would be worth making a show about BM,especially in the North East,make Posh and David look like paupers.

lonhro!

2003,2004,2005 world ratings champion sprinter silent witness (AUS)
2007, 2008,2009 world rating champion sprinter Sacred kingdon (AUS)
20010, 2011  world rating champion sprinter  Black Caviar (AUS)

back to Excelebration??? ...and?

answer the question glentoby,you asked, your the fcuking motormouth

You need to calm down Megsy (Aus) as has been pointed out is meaningless as is (USA) or any other prefix.

All trace back to Godolphin,Darley Arabian and Byerley Turk,mostly bred to English mares and where the modern thoroughbreds are all descended from.

Btw GT has you hook line and sinker,PRINTERS should have been the obvious giveaway.

Tbf it is not a given that all great Aussie printers can be traced back to the UK although it is 1.01 that William Caxton had an influence.hth

Btw or suffix.

topfarrier 25 Oct 11 15:11 
There hasn't been a great Austrailian racehorse,sire or dam but i have to say that there has been some truly great Australian Jockeys.

Scobie Breasley and Ganet Bougoure had no peers imo.

Granted it stared to go downhill from Brent Thomson onwards but nether the less i can't think of two many countries that have produced as many top class Jockeys.

I'm not asking this in a funny way topfarrier but are you Australian yourself?

The only reason I ask is that I found your comment about not too many other countries have produced as many top class jockeys a little surprising and thought maybe it was due to you knowing Aussie racing best and not knowing too much about jockeys from other countries.

Unless it was just a fishing trip.

The fishing was successful ima,megsy straight in the net,waiting for educee to join him with a rant.

ima_mazed66 ..wasting your time moron, non intelligent, bias imput by you deserved the following, ....get the hint.

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Being called non-intelligent by you megsy is like being called a fat loud mouth by John McCririck.....it's no skin off mu @rse mate, I can assure you.

As for a typical Aussie calling someone else bias.

Btw megsy,ima knows something very pertinent that you would do well to take note of.

A little hint of knowing when you are being wound up and by whom may help in future.

That apart,being able to accept facts and criticism may also help you in life as well as on the forum.

You do your nation a dis-service with your obviously blinkered and inferiority complex.hth

We know you will not be able to resist reading so GL cobber.

Seething in silence ima as he obviously wont reply if he is not reading,self exclusion...................that does not work.lol

what a pack of idiots

what cant your read, derrrrrrrrrlike to shiela's


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Elementary spelling and grammar banned in your state megsy?

Looks like you and GT won again ima,speechless Antipodeans,no tail between their legs though.Their ancestry traces back to the Isle of Man.

Next at Pen Int,Dancin Dixie Cat,about 3/1.Nice topical selection from Amalfi,suits fraudy and megsy.

Get on.

2 x 4 2x6,2x6x4 2x4x6 should pay a divi,comb if you like.gl

On the bit.

A free gift for Antipodeans,dutch 6 x 10 ,collect Mountaineer Park,sweet on 6 the Amalfi,free money either way btw

Few minutes left to Cha Cha megsy.

still dont get it???

like a little boy a bit slow trying to put a round block in a square hole your ego cant handle being ignored silly moron, i love the dummies block list...hint below for the dummy/ies



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2003,2004,2005 world ratings champion sprinter silent witness (AUS)
2007, 2008,2009 world rating champion sprinter Sacred kingdon (AUS)
20010, 2011  world rating champion sprinter  Black Caviar (AUS)

back to Excelebration??? ...and?

answer the question glentoby,you asked,

You dont like winning? That is so sad megsy.

If you only followed the Amalfi,you would be in clover,add molerat and you would be wealthy.

Shame you have not taken advantage of real info and advice.

glentoby..boo hoo you have reported me...still havent answered the question, you started this thread to be a smartass so how about answering  my serious reply.


2003,2004,2005 world ratings champion sprinter silent witness (AUS)
2007, 2008,2009 world rating champion sprinter Sacred kingdon (AUS)
20010, 2011  world rating champion sprinter  Black Caviar (AUS)

back to Excelebration??? ...and?

answer the question glentoby,you asked,

10 wins megsy,more profit.hth?

glentoby...exactly what was thought of you, shyt dribbler with no come back. join your dummy mates fatboy

Megsy,have you not yet realised the question was already answered regarding thoroughbreds  and printers?

Most can be traced back to England.No such thing as an Australian champion ditto US.

Just ask ima,we are here to help you.

I love the fatboy stuff megsy,12 stone 13lbs,6 feet 3 inches of flab.rofl

thats 3 dummies trying to put a round block in a square hole

by the way...have a pleasant day, over spent my time on this stupid thread i got what i wanted out of it

And what exactly did you get megsy?

Shown up as a typical Antipodean idiot without substance who reverts to juvenile name calling when they are exposed as dribbling,stuttering imbeciles?

Either that or Ima has all his facts wrong and rscaughtboy is superior in his knowledge of the forum and racing.

My money is on RS and Ima,I know they are both your puppet masters.

Gone all quiet megsy?

Only a fleeting visit to the UK but did catch Robin Gibb on tv,looked like he had died long before his brothers.

If he is an example of Aus breeding,your horses dont stand much chance on the world stage for longevity,do they?

A punt in the next in NZ,give us a tip megsy,is this a swoopers track?

I got a betting system, works extremely well

back any horse bred from Choisir/Exceed and Excel in english 5-7f races

Too intellectual?

Aussies are like women,noble locks?

Big gobs,no evidence and no substance.

Robert Sangster made a huge mistake,believed the men were male.

Susan had some.

Simple question,answer the question?

Regardless,all traces back to ENGERLAND with the Arabian boys?

FACT

LIKE ENGLISH THRONE...........easily traced.......Scottish/German/French...............MORE SCOTS.............



...........Gay only surfaced with English...nap?

educeee 26 Oct 11 13:41 
I got a betting system, works extremely well

back any horse bred from Choisir/Exceed and Excel in english 5-7f races Laugh

I know things are supposed to be upside down there but it seems like you are having trouble understanding the difference between backing and laying.

The winning most horse sired by Choisir is Starspangledbanner, winner of 7 of its 17 races but only 2 of its 5 in England, despite going off either favourite or joint favourite every time. Depending on how you stake then you might have made money on it if you put the same amount on a 13/2 winner as a 2/1 winner but it was also beaten at 4/1JF, 6/4F (by a 100/1 shot) and 11/8F. Unfortunately for Choisir, despite being at stud since 2003/4 he doesn't seem to have sired too many good ones and his stud fee is now down to EUR 12,500 compared to his own sire Danehill Dancer's fee being EUR 75,000, which started out as IRG 4,000 in '98 and was EUR 45,000 in '04 being the same year of Choisir starting at EUR 15,000 before dropping to a low of EUR 6,000 in 2010.

Exceed and Excel does a bit better with his most winning progeny being Masamah with 8 wins from 24 and you would have made a profit on that at least to level stakes anyway, his next most winning offspring is Excelebration which had the misfortune to be racing against Frankel but still has 5 wins from 9 starts, but only 3 from 7 in England at prices of 4/6F, 5/6F and 5/4F so a level stakes loss on that and probably to banded staking too. Exceed and Excel's current stud fee and for the past 3 seasons is GBP 12,000 compared to his sire Danehill's fee being by private invitation only after an opening season of IRG 15,000 and a last known high of IRG 75,000 in 2001. This probably as a result of siring/later siring horses like Dylan Thomas, George Washington, Rock of Gibraltar, Duke of Marmalade, Mozart, Westerner, Desert King, Dansili, Oratorio, Holy Roman Emperor, North Light, Ace, Peeping Fawn and so on.

I suppose it's possible you might have made a profit on laying both sires' runners here but their progeny lose far more races than they win so I would imagine you would need some fairly big priced wins in amongst them. I think the general misconception on Aussie horses and how they perform outside of Australia is that the media are also probably guilty of doing their own cherry picking too and flag up any successes but conveniently ignore the failures, so it's hardly surprising then if many of the Aussie public do the same by association.......it would be a bit like Ireland's media saying they dominate the Melbourne Cup based on the successes of Vintage Crop and Media Puzzle.

you honest think i'd care enough to read all that? hahaha mugzilla

educee....seriously mate block the know it all, best thing i ever did.