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Can't count past six. D'ont know where the furlong pole is (hint - its usually 220 yards before the finishing line) Agree proposals and then say they did't understand them. Then KF agrees with Sir Mark Prescott that the winner should lose the race if the rules are broken (but the jock still loses his percentage a la Soumillon!) KF says that after 20 years of riding that Joe Fanning does not know where the furlong pole is.
Heaven help us all.
They should all be charged for bringing the game into disrepute.
Heaven help us all.
They should all be charged for bringing the game into disrepute.
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Pity the jockeys imo having a spineless yes man as their spokesman
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How long have YOU been working for the BHA argosy ?
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Are you saying that he did not consult them because the jocks did not say that. They were all told and none of them piped up.
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BHA have been desperate and deserve to be lampooned. The jockeys are trying to protect their occupation an have rights instead of being treated like serfs. This farce has been unnecessary and badly managed.
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There was a furore after the National and the BHA were forced to do something. They formulated their proposals and put it to the jocks who were all informed. They only crowed after the regs were put in place. Furthermore the senior jocks all backtracked to a man. |
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On last Saturday's Morning Line -
It was established, without dispute, that the Jockeys were 'consulted' last June. They (the jockeys) then heard NOTHING further from the BHA - until the NEW Rules were announced (to everybody) on September 27th - with them to come into force a fortnight later. The 'proposed' Penalties - or, rather, fait accompli Penalties - were never discussed with the Jockeys at any stage. |
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Why should the jockeys be consulted on the penalties? It would be like the FA consulting Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Robbie Savage on the penalties for a sending off.
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The subject of this thread clearly shows the mentality of the person who created it.
Ignorant fool who obviously knows nothing about horse racing and race riding. I urge Betfair to remove this thread a.s.a.p. |
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It`s rather obvious why the jockeys should have been properly consulted Gerry,given what has happened when they weren`t.
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Jockeys are ficker than footballers i m o.
Ashley Cole apart |
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Come on Pile.
Thicker than Robbie Savage ? Don`t be daft. |
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Oh yeah forgot about hymn
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Willow, perhaps you can point me in the direction of your protests about all the threads rubbishing Big Mac?
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Not at all Salmon. Consulting jockeys, who it appears, can barely agree on what day of the week it is, would only have muddied the waters even more.
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So you actually think they could have got into a bigger mess Gerry ?
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They are proffesinulls
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You don't salmon? What next, you'll be telling us that Fred West, Peter Sutcliffe and Jeffrey Archer should be consulted on sentences for murder, rape and perjury!
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You are becoming extremely silly Gerry and not a little tiresome. To compare jockeys to mass-murderers is tasteless in the extreme. And obviously Jeffrey Archer is an even more odious comparison.
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NIGHT WOOLFIE GIS A RING SOMETIME.
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It's the principle being compared - not the individuals. Surely you can see that salmon?
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@differentdrum
My reason was "this bunch of retards" IS EXTREMELY abusive. I havn't read any threads about McCririck by the way. |
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Gerry please have your own opinion and tell that fat smelly b astard lying slack in your bed to go to sleep...
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... and I wouldn't want to !
 he is a joke |
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OP seems to be a c0ck ... disappointing
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Willow
I take it back. Perhaps Half Wit is a more appropriate term seeing as the jocks refused to use what sense they had. I don't doubt that the BHA consultation process is poor - witness the lack of consultation over the change to the draw numbering, but the fact is that especially since the Grand National and the furore over the whip at that time, everyone knew that changes were in the pipeline and all the jocks were indeed consulted. Racing For Change may have its detractors including myself, but they have to take into account public opinion and that being what it is needs to be considered. Jockeys cannot hit horses willy nilly which is what would happen if there were no rules i.e, Spencer on Cape Blanco, Dettori on Swain, Robinson on Hala Bek etc, etc, etc. |
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that's better argosy !
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Not that much better.
What an odd choice of rides. Spencer would presumably still ride Cape Blanco in the same way as the BHA funnily enough has no jurisdiction in the US. I have no idea which ride of Dettori`s on Swain you are talking about but the horse retired in 1998. Hala Bek is a bit more recent in that Robinson last rode it in The Derby in 2006,but if his use of the whip was at all controversial it was because the horse may have veered away from it not because he thrashed it. |
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The 3 rides were all Group One races where the jockeys hit the horse on the stride. As they were Group One races they were unlikely to get a ban. I used these examples as it shows that when big money and prestige are involved jockeys will use the whip as often as they can to get a result. The Swain example was in the Breeders Cup when Dettori hit Swain at least 20 times and lost the race. Robinson hit the horse on the stride and 'thrashed it' I am sure you can think of other jockeys abusing horses in Group One races. |
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Assuming you ARE argosy taffy I still don`t see your point. The Swain ride was not only 13 years ago but also in the US. We may have to agree to disagree as to whether Robinson " thrashed " Hala Bek in The Derby,but if he did then you would surely have to think it cost him the race rather than winning it.
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Swain Breeders Cup...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfOng-jaIh0 See how straight the horse runs for the whip too! |
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Jaqueline Quest 1000 Guineas..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHY5yCni6u0 Another running straight as an arrow for the whip.. |
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too many accounts
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Gerry I have no doubt that jockeys can ride bad races through using the whip when they shouldn`t. It depends on the horse. I am also sure that jockeys will lose races if they can`t use it when they should.
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salmon - Do you believe the argument that the whip is an essential tool to help keep horses straight or do you accept that it is just as likely to cause a horse to deviate from a straight line? (as in the examples above)
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The jockeys have to operate in the real world and realise that the game has changed. If the sport of racing is to go forward and enfranchise a new audience then they have to operate within agreed limits. Racing will increasingly be marginalised otherwise. As it now stands we have gone back to square one and further public outrage the next time a horse is thrashed in a big race (or percieived to be so).
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It clearly depends on the temperament of the horse and the way it is used Gerry. I would have to say the whip is not used just on thoroughbreds. It has been a common accompaniment for horse-riding generally for centuries. I DO think there should be some control over its use in horse racing. I watch a lot of US racing and a few rides over there make me wince ( despite being brought up on 60s racing over here ).
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'The jockeys have to operate in the real world and realise that the game has changed. If the sport of racing is to go forward and enfranchise a new audience then they have to operate within agreed limits. Racing will increasingly be marginalised otherwise. As it now stands we have gone back to square one and further public outrage the next time a horse is thrashed in a big race (or percieived to be so).'
Thinking like this dominates teh BHA and got racing landing into the mess it is in now. Actually, to call it 'thinking' is too kind -- it is just a rehash of a load of undigested media rubbish repeating the standard views of Rob and the boys. |
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agree with you yank
sounds like that came straight from a BHA handout what a load of nauseating codswallop |
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salmon - it's ultimately the jockey who makes the call, taking into account the horse's temperament, on whether and how to use the whip. The problem is that in the heat of battle, even brilliant jockeys like Dettori get it badly wrong and end up either causing trouble for other horses and riders in the race or, as in the Swain race, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
The other point I'd make in relation to the Breeders Cup race above is that Swain was a known quantity; battled hardened, tough and genuine. If a horse like that runs away from the whip (because imo the feckin' thing hurts), then it's little wonder that lesser / more fragile horses do the same when being hit. |